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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 09:36 PM
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Baucus v. Democracy
I can't recall a better corporate news video segment in at least the past decade than the story that Ed Schultz just aired on MSNBC in which he interviews Margaret Flowers of Physicians for a National Health Program (PNHP) and Senator Debbie Stabenow on the topic of healthcare reform.

Here's video.

Sure, Ed slaps a gratuitous insult on the heroines of Code Pink, says he's against protesting and "getting arrested" as a rule but thinks it's OK if doctors in suits and "educated professional people" do it, and pretends to believe (or actually believes) that President Obama favors considering the possibility of creating single-payer healthcare. But the heart of this story is the gaping chasm between majority opinion and the corporate agenda of the United States Senate. And Ed Schultz hits it out of the park.

Ed goes after the health insurance companies, the pharmaceutical companies, and the HMOs. He plays video of activist Kevin Zeese speaking up at the recent Senate Finance Committee hearing and being arrested. He explains perfectly what single-payer healthcare is. (I recommend this flyer (PDF).) And he denounces the anti-democratic exclusion of single-payer advocates by Committee Chairman Max Baucus.

And then Ed brings on Margaret Flowers who absolutely nails every question he asks, and he asks the right questions. Flowers lists the polls showing that over 60 percent of Americans and 60 percent of physicians want single-payer, explains that PNHP has 16,000 members and is part of the Leadership Conference for Guaranteed Healthcare which has 20 million members. Flowers points out that the next senate hearing is on March 12th and that advocates are asking for at least one supporter of single-payer to be included.

That sort of mention of an upcoming event and very nearly inclusion of exactly what people can do to improve their country is rare indeed on our televisions. Let me take it a slight step further: Senator Max Baucus's phone number is (202) 224-2651.

After Flowers, Senator Stabenow comes on to give a perfect representation of an evasive, dishonest, sleazy senator, claiming not to know why single-payer advocates have been excluded, condescendingly encouraging them to keep shouting even though her gang won't listen, and pretending that "lots of folks" in her state want to keep the insurance they have -- as if trading it for completely comprehensive and completely free coverage (paid in taxes by businesses) would constitute some sort of a loss, would have a down side. Schultz dismisses the senator and lays out his position:

"Does Senator Baucus have his head screwed on wrong, or what? Does he not know that the majority of Americans want single-payer? Now I don't care what the conservatives want when it comes to healthcare. They had their chance, and look where we are right now."

This is the will of the majority of Americans versus the antidemocratic corporate agenda of Senator Max Baucus. Schultz makes that crystal clear. Of course, the Senate (and usually the House too) normally act contrary to the will of the majority of Americans, but it is very useful to have that pointed out once in a while, even if pointed out in a manner that suggests it's a rarity.

Schultz then appeals to President Obama to "nudge" Senator Baucus, despite the fact that Obama hasn't supported single-payer since before he entered national politics, didn't support it as a candidate, and has adamantly opposed it as president, himself excluding any single-payer advocates from discussion forums until threatened with protests. In addition, a president should not make legislation, and a president is further removed from the people than even a senator.

Schultz may be confused about Obama and about the proper division of labor among our branches of government, but he hammers Baucus beautifully, pointing out that Baucus has taken more money from pharmaceutical and health insurance companies than any other Democrat in Congress (even if it is pocket change compared to what Obama has taken):

"Baucus got $183,000 from health insurance companies and $229,000 from drug companies," Schultz concludes. "May I remind you: they were at the table."
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 09:44 PM
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1. K&R
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 10:08 PM
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2. I couldn't believe my eyes and ears!!! Ed Schultz blew me away. A people's advocate
on prime-time network news. Fricking amazing.

I've heard Ed for years on AM, but I have to say he is FAR FAR better on TV and I will be trying to watch him more often.

I heard Ed ask President Obama if he was trying to keep a group out of the discussion. Seems to me that is valid. Obama is the party leader and should be leaning on Democratic Senators and Congressmen to listen to all groups--especially when an issue this important is being debated. After all he's the one who is the champion of aisle-reaching-across-ing, so to speak.

Recommend.


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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 10:13 PM
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3. that's universally accepted
i shouldn't suggest it's unique to Ed

but it's contrary to the original intent and any decent approach to our system of government which is designed around branches, not parties, and is intended to see a weak executive simply execute the legislation created by the legislative branch
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 10:31 PM
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4. I never realized that the Presidency was supposed to be a neutral executive office.
I thought that it was supposed to be an Excecutive mechanism that was sensitive to the needs of the people. Not a dictator, but certainly an advocate when issues required it. Am I just another victim of our educational system? Or did I just not pay enough attention in Civcs class?

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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 10:44 PM
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5. if you HAD a civics class
you got better than most from our system

a president can advocate

nowadays they also dictate, legislate, make war, spend funds, create treaties, and many other fine things without consulting the first and most powerful branch of our government

they even pick and choose which laws to enforce based on partisan politics, ordering the attorney general about
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 10:51 PM
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6. Do you ever think Obama doesn't want to push the envelope?
Edited on Thu May-07-09 10:53 PM by babylonsister
That he'd do more if there wasn't so much to do? There's so much to do, he's being bombarded.

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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 12:09 AM
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12. single payer
is much easier

Medicare was easy

HR 676 is written

What he wants to do is MUCH more work
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 11:10 PM
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10. Yes, way back in the day, they did have Civics classes. But I'm embarrassed to admit
that I don't remember much other than the stuff they taught us about the Trilateral Comm, I mean the three branches of government, the Dictatorial, the Self-Serving, and the Non-Judgmental. Oh wait, that was another class.


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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 12:10 AM
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13. i took that class
in college :-)
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howmad1 Donating Member (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 11:09 PM
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9. Sorry but I'm beginning to believe.......
.......Obama is a lot smoother con artist than Bush.
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 12:11 AM
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14. that's not
saying much
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 10:59 PM
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7. Obama said he would listen...
Edited on Thu May-07-09 11:00 PM by DearAbby
that is the key, and that is where Ed is right on this to nudge President Obama. At least have a hearing of serious points of view. Jow else are we going to make the right choice, if groups of people are prevented in giving their ideas.
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JimWis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 11:01 PM
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8. K&R - And thanks for sharing that video.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 11:27 PM
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11. Baucus needs a swift kick in the ass
not a nudge
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 08:30 AM
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15. knr nt
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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 08:43 AM
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16. Baucus has to go, but electing a more progressive (D) in Montana is tough.
Sure Tester was able to do it. But he is learning the corporate back alleys too, and may not be the progressive many in Montana hoped for.

I've met Baucus several times in Montana. Hake shake moments as well as shared table talk on community round-tables

It is like shaking the hand of a wax museum stiff and talking to a bank loan officer about to deny your home loan - no eye contact and a bubble boy personality.

He is the epitome of the entrenched Washington Senator with thicker strings attached to K street and DLC money, than to his Montana constituency.



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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 02:43 PM
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17. Ed did a great job - This came from an email that I sent him from a post on DU
Here's the link if you want to see it - I think this shows we can make a difference!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5611999&mesg_id=5611999
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