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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 08:25 AM
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My TEABAGGER neighbor is plotting insurrection.
The neighbor up the street has a weekly meeting with his fellow insurrectionists. My understanding is that they are plotting armed rebellion against the government in the form of a Million Armed Man March. I thought that was sort of against the law and probably treason and certainly a violation of the multitude of dubious alien and sedition style patriot act terrorism laws. Why hasn't our government started arresting these terrorists?

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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 08:27 AM
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1. if he starts to undo his pants, RUN... nt
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Towlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 08:27 AM
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2. It's just a cover story for a high-stakes poker game.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 08:34 AM
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6. Indeed that is possible. nt.
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secondwind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 08:28 AM
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3. I would report this to the FBI, assuming you can back this up...
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 08:33 AM
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4. I've actually considered that.
It did occur to me to simply take a photograph of the license plates of all his fellow travelers. Of course I have no actual information about their discussions, all my 'evidence' is highly circumstantial: the TEA sign on his lawn, the now weekly event that turns his yard into a parking lot, etc. They could be having orgies with actual teabagging for all I know. So no, I won't be reporting them to the FBI. I am just wondering how long the feds are going to allow insurrectionists to openly plot armed rebellion before somebody actually gets arrested. If these were left wing radicals, or if they were remotely muslim related, every last one of them would be in some sort of 'situation' with the feds right now.

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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:01 AM
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43. Maybe the TEA sign means Tennessee Education Assn. n/t
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 11:47 AM
Response to Reply #43
106. Uh no
1) this is in NH.
2) The sign reads Taxed Enough Already.

Other than that...
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:23 AM
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So you have NO evidence whatsoever
but later you wonder when these insurrectionists are going to get arrested?

Make up your mind. Do you just not like the guy, and you want him in prison?
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 11:49 AM
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107. I'm wondering when plotting armed insurrection
manages to rise to the status of criminal activity for rightwing nutjobs. I know when it rises to that level for the left and for anyone remotely muslim.
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 06:23 PM
Response to Reply #107
119. So, again, do you KNOW he's planning an insurrection?
Because you said you didn't.
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T Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 08:33 AM
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5. Even if you cannot - calls to multiple law enforcement agencies are warranted. Just do your
part as a concerned citizen.

It would be nice to see the scumbags on the right squirm for a change.
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bluebellbaby Donating Member (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 08:35 AM
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7. Because you haven't told on them yet!
The gov't doesn't know everything...geeze...Even if they listen illegally to our phone conversations...

Now be a good "commrade" and go tell on them...


But An Armed March doesn't sound like insurrection...sounds like a...like...a.....march...???


And if you read the Constitution...(this is just a side note)...it doesn't say that we can't forcibly change our gov't...


Just saying....

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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 08:36 AM
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8. "commrade" nt.
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AllieB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 09:13 AM
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27. And hidden profile.
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bluebellbaby Donating Member (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:54 AM
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84. My profile isn't hidden...
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 11:02 AM
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89. Uh, yeah it is.
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bluebellbaby Donating Member (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 11:09 AM
Response to Reply #89
96. I didn't notice...hold on I will check out my options
I have nothing to hide...as you implied in your post...but if it is "hidden"...give me a minute...I'll fix it...

It's an option that I might have not noticed...unintentionally...
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 11:10 AM
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98. Under "prefences" Hide Profile yes/no.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 11:15 AM
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100. LOL! I can see your profile now. RIP~
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 11:46 AM
Response to Reply #100
105. I guess my silly OP was good for something after all.
Like flies on shit they are.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 12:28 PM
Response to Reply #100
112. That was a funny conversation there. Good job! nt
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AllieB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 08:40 PM
Response to Reply #100
127. I swear you have highly developed Freepdar.
Me too-it's like shooting fish in a barrel lately.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 09:13 AM
Response to Reply #127
129. I considered changing my screename to "Trollhunter"
during the amnesty period.:)
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 08:42 AM
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17. A Million Man March
sounds like a march. A Million Armed Man March sounds like something else to me.
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bluebellbaby Donating Member (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 08:57 AM
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23. Aey...It sounds like they are exercising their 2nd Amendment Rights
I'm only pointing out that we all here want things to be better and some have suggested that we protest, this or that...in different ways...

I don't see a problem with these "nutjobs" doing the same thing...the only difference between them and us...is most of us don't have guns...

Them exercising "their right to bear arms"...although a bit scary...is still...their right too...

And our citizens, that's you and me, have been led to accept the "idea" that it's our duty to tell on each other...just like the Soviets "convinced" their population and even the Nazi's did it. You're a "good commrade" when you tell on your neighbor...

Just pointing out the irony here...its okay for all of us to protest...but not them?


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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 09:11 AM
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26. I hope that they are denied
a permit to march in DC on the Fourth of July. That is the last thing DC needs-whether it is a million or several thousand armed "nutjobs". The Fourth of July is traditionally a big family and tourist day in DC. Screw their right to bear arms in mass. Just my opinion.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 09:53 AM
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41. The idea is ludicrous
Edited on Wed May-06-09 09:53 AM by blogslut
A million armed people. How on earth can that possibly be considered a safe event? Do you honestly think they'll be issued a permit to protest with their guns? You do realize that they have to be issue permits in order to publicly protest, don't you?
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:46 AM
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72. Ain't you something. Bush, Cheney, Ashcroft, Chertoff all told us repeatedly to watch our neighbors
According to them we were supposed to watch our neighbors and report anything suspicious to Homeland Security. Delivery personnel, postal carriers, and repair men were told they had a particular duty to keep their eyes open while in or around the premises of private homes.

Weren't you paying attention at the time? I'm surprised at you.

Hekate


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bluebellbaby Donating Member (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:52 AM
Response to Reply #72
79. Actually, I mailed my protest letter to Hillary Clinton & Schumer
Hillary was my Senator at the time along with old Chuck...

I begged them not to go along with these things...

And I have the certified postal reciepts to prove it...along with my notarized letter!

I did protest then...

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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 11:02 AM
Response to Reply #79
90. why would you notarize a letter?
:shrug: just curious...
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bluebellbaby Donating Member (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 11:12 AM
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99. To have verifable proof of when the letter was written.
That's all...you see...people can claim this or that...after the fact...

And I didn't want my Senators to think that I wasn't seriously afraid of the direction our country was going in...

That, I was a real constituent living in our State.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 09:31 AM
Response to Reply #17
32. Sounds to me like
a few guys I went out with when I was a teenager.

Only back then it was the million handed man...


:scared:
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:15 AM
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48. Do you know the definition of the word "insurrection"?
an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/insurrection

Section 8 of the Constitution - Powers of Congress

The Congress shall have Power

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

I'd say you don't know squat about the Constitution.



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Towlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:23 AM
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But wait! the gun lobby says their right to bear arms is for CARRYING OUT insurrections!
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:26 AM
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52. Then they shouldn't be upset when the government puts down
their insurrection.
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bluebellbaby Donating Member (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:47 AM
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75. This is were they get confooosed!
The militia was to "protect and defend"...but who reads the Constitution these days anyways...

Our Gov't doesn't...
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:52 AM
Response to Reply #75
80. I find it ironic that people who clamor the loudest about adhering to
Edited on Wed May-06-09 10:52 AM by tekisui
the Constitution have no idea how it actually functions.
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bluebellbaby Donating Member (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:53 AM
Response to Reply #80
82. Sooo funny!
Pleeeeeeeeease!

If the gov't can split hairs why not the people?

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bluebellbaby Donating Member (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:39 AM
Response to Reply #48
66. Well...thank you...
I knew it was in there...

I've only read it a few hundred times...

Nope...but it doesn't change my position...and the same section you quote means didly squat today...unfortunately...

What about paragraph 5 in Section 8...

"To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foregin Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures"

So...???

Our gov't doesn't follow the Constitution...why should the people be required?

OH...that's right..."Do as I say, Not as I do"...

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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:54 AM
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83. Oh, so you have changed your position now,
Edited on Wed May-06-09 10:54 AM by merh
You were wrong when you stated "And if you read the Constitution...(this is just a side note)...it doesn't say that we can't forcibly change our gov't..." - and you now agree that the Constitution actually gives Congress the power to put down insurrections (efforts to forcibly change our government).

The section I referred to allowed Congress to pass both the Insurrection Act of 1807 and the 2008 Defense Authorization Bill.

Even though it is a wet hide and has nothing to do with the discussion regarding insurrections, tell me what about "paragraph 5 in Section 8" that causes you such concerns, that you think supports your argument.
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bluebellbaby Donating Member (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:58 AM
Response to Reply #83
85. Isn't it obvious?
As the Section states...Congress has the power to "to coin Money"...

Who makes our money today?

Not Congress, as required by this section?

But a private corporation...called...go ahead...guess...

Give up...okay...I'll tell...

The Federal Reserve...

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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 11:00 AM
Response to Reply #85
88. Did Congress pass a law that provides for the Federal Reserves
and that allows it to make our money?

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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 11:04 AM
Response to Reply #85
91. And Congress is coining money.
They passed a law for that process to be carries out. It doesn't require members of Congress to work in a mint. :eyes:
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #91
94. I'm waiting on the poster to tell us that the constitution doesn't
allow for paper money and that every transaction should be carried out with coins.

:eyes:

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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:59 AM
Response to Reply #66
87. And tell me, do you think Timothy McVeigh's actions were what
our forefathers had in mind when they enacted the 2nd Amendment?

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bluebellbaby Donating Member (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #87
95. Now you've gone off into the deep end...
Alot of DUer's here have said that we should call this person or write that person or not buy this product as our way of protesting...


To equate my defense of these "nutjobs" and their right to protest or march...to McVeigh's slaughter of innocent people...is beyond reason...

And as for what the founding fathers had in mind with the 2nd Amendment and the bill of rights can be debated until the sun goes down...

But no...personally I do not believe they had McVeigh's actions in mind...

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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 11:18 AM
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101. You are not supporting these "nutjobs" right to protest
Your posts have nothing to do with their free speech or the 2nd amendment.

You stated that "And if you read the Constitution...(this is just a side note)...it doesn't say that we can't forcibly change our gov't..." and in so posting such nonsense, you accept the premise that you and others have the right to forcibly change our government because, in your flawed thinking, the constitution does not forbid such use of force.

Once I proved your position flawed and your knowledge of the constitution lacking you decided that you could allege that government doesn't follow the constitution so why should anyone else.

McVeigh believed as you do, that he had a right to forcibly change the government, so it is not a huge leap to ask you if you think he was some hero of the militia man movement to take back the nation from the government.

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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:35 AM
Response to Reply #7
61. Obvious troll
is obvious.
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bluebellbaby Donating Member (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:43 AM
Response to Reply #61
71. Using Derogatory labels against someone you don't agree!
Is easier than discussing the facts...

Unless everyone doesn't "jumps on your bandwagon"...

Oh how lazy...
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:50 AM
Response to Reply #71
78. No, you are too obvious.
Putting rw buzzwords in quotes, defending insurrection. You blew your cover.

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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:49 AM
Response to Reply #7
76. The Constitution doesn't say we can't forcibly change our governement?
Are you that dense.

Congress has the power, in the Constitution, "to suppress Insurrections" and Congress even has the power, in the Constitution, to suspend the "writ of Habeas Corpus ...in Cases of Rebellion".

It is clear that insurrection is not to be tolerated.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:50 AM
Response to Reply #7
77. A couple thousand armed men walking on the capitol would be a cause
for concern.
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bluebellbaby Donating Member (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:59 AM
Response to Reply #77
86. I never said I didn't agree with you...but they have the right
To have there voices heard...even if they are "nutjobs"...

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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 11:05 AM
Response to Reply #86
93. No need for quote marks, anyone marching on Washington, armed
are nutjobs.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 11:09 AM
Response to Reply #86
97. Sure they have the right, but the Secret Service would not want a bunch
of armed angry men anywhere near the White House and the Capitol.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 11:21 AM
Response to Reply #7
103. Would you like mushrooms on that? (nt)
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 08:36 AM
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9. Every third member of his group is an FBI agent.
Relax.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 08:37 AM
Response to Reply #9
11. Every third member of the FBI is a teabagger. nt.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:04 AM
Response to Reply #11
44. Every third member of the Teabaggers in certifiably insane. nt
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #44
113. In summary: 1/3 Nut, 1/3 G-man, 1/3 Armed and dangerous. nt.
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Regret My New Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 06:46 PM
Response to Reply #113
120. Sounds like a party...
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 09:14 AM
Response to Reply #9
28. TEABAGGER neighbor himself is probably a paid informant
Times are tough right now.

Don
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 08:37 AM
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10. apparently they're planning to descend on DC with arms on July 4th
calling it the Million Militia Man March:

http://washingtonindependent.com/39893/the-million-militia-man-march

"A peaceful demonstration of at least a million — hey, if we can get 10 million, even better — but at least one million armed militia men marching on Washington. A peaceful demonstration. No shooting, no one gets hurt. Just a demonstration. The only difference from any typical demonstration is we will all be armed."

what a bunch of fucking morons.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 08:39 AM
Response to Reply #10
14. I hear a lot about The Warriors.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 09:04 AM
Response to Reply #10
24. Delusional. Does anyone in law enforcement really believe that
there will be no shootings if a million armed men and women protest in Washington DC? These idiots are known for wearing their feelings on their sleeves.
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hwmnbn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 09:32 AM
Response to Reply #24
33. What if somebody...
set off some firecrackers at the march, you know, 4th of July and all...

Can you imagine the fun that would ensue??
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 11:57 AM
Response to Reply #33
108. Exactly! It wouldn't take much of anything to set someone off, and
then there'd be blood in the streets.

A demonstration with firearms. Unbelieveable.
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Regret My New Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 06:52 PM
Response to Reply #108
122. Aye... Throw some alcohol into the mix,,, Ehnn...
A million less morons though... Hmmmm.. Nahh, there would be to many innocents who would get caught in the middle.
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:34 AM
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57. If This draws 1000 people I'll be shocked
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 12:20 PM
Response to Reply #10
110. Not willing to sign up for the military and fight in Iraq or Afghanistan
More than willing to march to Washington with guns. Hmmm. :think:
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Regret My New Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 06:49 PM
Response to Reply #10
121. Whether or not they are legally able to do this or not(or even capable of getting a million people)
Do any of them realize how fucking stupid it would be to have that many undisciplined armed people, many who will probably be drinking, marching through the streets?

I couldn't see any city actually permitting this...
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 08:38 AM
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12. I personally know lifer-military-retiree who is saying intensely aggressive stuff against"Socialism"
Some people have quite literally gone crazy. That's not an exaggeration, no Ifs, Ands, nor Buts about it.

INSANE

And you watch, when the shit-hits-the-fan, it will be blamed on the Left.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:36 AM
Response to Reply #12
64. They thought their kind would rule forever.
They got so cocky after 2000 -- everything was going their way. A war for corporations at the expense of innocent brown people? "Perfect!" Torture? "Oh, yes. YES!" Making the uber rich richer at the expense of the poor and middle class? "Love it!" Creeping American Talibanism? "Bring it on!"

And then ... Their little world fell apart ... and even Humpty Dimbaugh can't put it together again.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 08:37 PM
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126. Believe me, they think their lives of financial security and social position PROOVE that they are
Edited on Wed May-06-09 08:40 PM by patrice
God's own Righteous People, with the responsibility of defending God's-Will-on-Earth-Capitalism (despite the fact that the ones I know have NEVER been, and NEVER WILL BE, at the tender mercies of Capitalism) and also are responsible for correcting, and punishing, when necessary, anyone who refuses to be obedient to God's Will.

I have heard this stuff with my own ears.
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Southpaw07 Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 08:38 AM
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13. Are you in Ohio?
I can't imagine there are more than one of these nut jobs.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5527925&mesg_id=5527925

I find it funny that he want to be taken seriously (I assume), but needs to cover his face and distort his voice.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 08:52 AM
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20. No. NH
There are a lot of these nutjobs. They are convinced that communism has taken over their good ol' usa and that they are going to save the republic by killing a lot of people.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 08:39 AM
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15. If you see something, say somethng
That was the mantra of rihgtwingnuts for seven out of the last eight years.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 08:41 AM
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16. Are you in Ohio?
The Ohio militia has already stated publicly that they are going to DC on July 4th supposedly with their weapons. I heard that on the 'news'. One would have to know that if there were crazy people people headed to DC that they would be from Ohio.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 08:48 AM
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19. my brother is an Ohio teabagger
Hes young, in time he will grow up. I hope. In the meantime, I roll my eyes at him.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 08:46 AM
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18. Oh, yeah, the Million Moran March....
I say let them take their guns and go to DC. They'll be off, rickey-tickey-tickey, to the hoosegow.

Of course, they'll not actually do it.
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 08:55 AM
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21. Do you think this is a dangerous person to the people in your community?
This has nothing to do with free speech, right to assemble, etc. If you think this is a potentially dangerous situation, that could harm innocent individuals, then talk to the police, they will look into it.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 08:57 AM
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22. Gee, I wonder if these fools intend to apply for a permit?
I have a feeling that they won't get far when they tell the folks in D.C. they want to bring their guns to a public demonstration.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 09:09 AM
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25. I'd love to throw a fire cracker in the middle of an Armed Million Man March.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 09:55 AM
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42. .
:evilgrin:
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 09:14 AM
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29. "Why hasn't our government started arresting these terrorists?" When was the
last time our government did anything about anything, other than handing a trillion dollars to criminally incompetent bankers?
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 09:14 AM
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30. The legality of it depends on state laws.

But if there is no proscription against open carry, then it might be fine. Why would it be treason to march to peacefully assemble and demonstrate within the bounds of the law.

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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 09:39 AM
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34. Perhaps D.C. might not like and armed militia walking into their

seat of governance.

What would be the purpose of carrying weapons? Are these militiamorans unable to fully employ their 1st amendment rights without resorting to their 2cnd out of hostility?

Even 500 of these nuts with guns is too many.


Come to D.C., but just leave the guns at home.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 09:49 AM
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37. Actually this thread demonstrates the prejudice and hostility directed at people who ...

...wish to simply bear arms and assemble within the confines of the law.

There is a small movement within the 2nd Amendment rights community to assemble peacefully while carrying a firearm openly to demonstrate to the public that most gun owners are no threat to anyone. I have mixed thoughts about this technique, but overall support it. A lot of media and self-serving politicians (who often have armed security) have demonized contemporary gun ownership in this country. I think this million armed march is probably an extension of this grassroots idea.

I would be surprised if open carry was legal in DC since they have only just been forced to let people keep a handgun in their own home.

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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:06 AM
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45. Could you explain in detail why you believe that
Edited on Wed May-06-09 10:06 AM by MUAD_DIB
having an armed march on Washington D.C. is a good idea?
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:20 AM
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49. ok,


I support people assembling peacefully and within the bounds of the law. As I understand it, such behavior is a constitutionally protected right. If open carry is legal in DC, then I'm fine with people gathering while open carrying (although I doubt it is legal to do so in DC). I support this right everywhere, including Washington DC.



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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:32 AM
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56. Although I believe in the right to bear arms I do not

agree with 1 million or even 500 individuals "marching on Washington.

It no longer sounds like a political rally inasmuch as a military one.


They should leave their weapons at home.
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SixString Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:07 AM
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46. This video demonstrates something too...
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:15 AM
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47. yes, he says wants a peaceful, nonviolent, nothing illegal assembly in DC


:shrug:

Again, I am doubtful that it would be legal to do so in DC, but perhaps not in some states.
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SixString Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:22 AM
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50. Right...
That's why he had to disguise his voice.
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:30 AM
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53. Good point. If he was legitimate then why do that?
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:34 AM
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59. Yeah, that's really spooky.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:34 AM
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58. Well, there's the odd one in every group.


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SixString Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:36 AM
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62. I'd say more than one, in this case.
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Regret My New Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 06:57 PM
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124. heh, I think they are all odd...
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:36 AM
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63. I think you are delusional.
And you have let 2nd amendment politics obscure your understanding of what these folks are up to. They are fomenting armed insurrection. This is all within the context of demands for succession, claims that perceived violations of the 10th amendment invalidate the sovereignty of the federal government, claims that the Obama administration is a crypto communist plot to takeover the republic etc. They are using the cover of 2nd amendment rights to organize an armed militia in opposition to federal authority and you are falling for it. There is no constitutional right to plot insurrection against the government.

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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:41 AM
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69. Agreed. Do you think, for a second, that if

the left was trying to do the same thing during the Bush years that FOX news and Limbaugh wouldn't be calling for their heads as commies and terrorists?

Regardless of politics the militia's should be allowed to assemble, but they should leave their guns at home.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 11:04 AM
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92. I agree that "There is no constitutional right to plot insurrection against the government"

But peaceful assembly does not equal armed insurrection against the government. Report them if you think they are a danger, and I support the prosecution of anyone, left or right, who plots for armed insurrection of a democratically elected government.

But barring evidence of an armed insurrection -- I support their right to assemble within the bounds of the law.
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 11:24 AM
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104. Then if it is peaceful there really is no reasoning

that these upstanding citizens need to bring their weapons.

Right?
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 12:25 PM
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111. No. not right.

Keeping and bearing arms peacefully would be the major point in assembling in such a manner (if it is legal to do so). To show that the country, its people and government, need not fear law abiding folks with firearms.



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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 01:01 PM
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114. Well, it's not legal in D.C. so the point is moot.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 01:27 PM
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115. Apparently.

But still, if it were legal, I would support their right to assemble.

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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 03:13 PM
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118. I would doubt that many cities or towns would allow

them to assemble with all those guns.

All it takes is a few crazies to screw things up in the name of freedom.
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Regret My New Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 06:55 PM
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123. I think I agree with you on that, but I still think they are morons...
...and I know if I was in charge of a city in which they were trying to pull this shit, I would try to prevent them. Not to silence them of course, but simply out of public safety.
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SixString Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 09:24 AM
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31. Remember when the bush admin. wanted us to spy on our neighbors
and report suspicious activity?

It's time to start turning these people in.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 09:46 AM
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35. A Million Moran March?
Let'em try.

They're either a ragtag bunch of feeble blowhards, or an army of brownshirts attempting a coup.

Either way, let them expose themselves for what they really are.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 09:49 AM
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36. what illegal act has he and his buddies committed?
Conspiracy to hold a protest march?
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:30 AM
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54. As I stated - I have no real evidence.
However from what I know, they are most likely plotting armed insurrection against what they view as a communist take over of the federal government. I can't 'turn them in' as I have nothing to turn them in for. I just wonder how long the feds are going to let this go, and why there is such a clear double standard here. If these were muslims they would be undergoing 'enhanced interrogation' as we sit here. If these were left wing nutjobs, they would be all under arrest for something. But our right wing media enhanced armed radicals are allowed to more or less openly plot rebellion and nothing is done. Why is that?

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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:40 AM
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67. my solution to the double standard is to stop doing bad things
not do them to more people.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 09:50 AM
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38. If you really think they are plotting insurrection, you have a duty to report it to the FBI
Blathering about it on DU Forums may provide a way of venting, but I think you should shit or get off the pot.
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 09:51 AM
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39. Report the group to Homeland Security.
Oh to see the, 'Oh shit, what have we created?' looks on their faces would be priceless, when the Homeland Security vehicles drove up.
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caraher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 09:52 AM
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40. You can bet they're being watched
as for the Million Moran March, bring it on! My guess is that the more they look like something out of the armed European movements that backed the rise of Hitler and Mussolini the more people in the center will see their ilk for true fascists WITHOUT anyone on the left needing to prompt anyone.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:23 AM
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51. .
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:31 AM
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55. Because there's nothing illegal about what they're doing
Plotting "armed rebellion" in the form of a march is a peaceful demonstration. Perfectly within their rights.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:35 AM
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60. Conspiring armed rebellion against the United States of America is probably
not perfectly within their rights.

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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:38 AM
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65. OP is unclear but it appears they plan on staging a march
OP appears to be attempting to fan the flames here by claiming that neighbor is planning "armed rebellion" against the government by staging a "million armed man march" which is sort of contradictory. A march, armed or not, that remains peaceful is not armed rebellion against the government, it's a march.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:40 AM
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68. Guess that depends on the arms laws in DC, doesn't it. n/t
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:43 AM
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70. From a purely legal standpoint, sure
If they're breaking laws, they're breaking laws and it would be illegal. I also doubt that a permit would be issued for a armed march going anywhere near the capitol grounds in D.C.

(If I were a betting man though, I'd put my money on this sort of sillyness never happening anyway. Trying to organize a large number of fringe lunatics is usually a losing proposition).
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:47 AM
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74. "Nonresidents of DC are prohibited from carrying or possessing a firearm
while traveling through the District unless the gun has been
registered with the Metropolitan Police."

www.nraila.org/statelawpdfs/DCCL.pdf


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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:46 AM
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73. They may already be in violation of any number of city ordinances.
The ones regarding large gatherings, traffic, etc. There have been cases in the past wherein, for example, churches run out of people's homes have had to shut down, because the traffic and the number of people was becoming disruptive to the surrounding community.

That's where I would start. These people are batshit crazy, and they're armed. This is not a good combination. That said, the very last thing anyone should want to do is give them the impression that they're being targeted because of their views (such as they are).

I'd complain to the city/village/township etc. on more practical grounds. Hell, all the weekly traffic could be harming property values for all we know.
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 01:35 PM
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116. Not only that..They are in violation of all the laws they VOTED FOR
Patritiot Act I and II, Homeland Security, War Commissions. They will be hauled away to the very prison camps they designed and pay for.
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:52 AM
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81. Call the FBI
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agentS Donating Member (922 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 11:18 AM
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102. A peaceful demonstration? Who do they think they're kidding???
Oh yeah, right; a million armed men marching on the Capitol. Now, they're not coming for a celebration. There's no major gun control legislation on the table for 2009. A lot of these guys are Freepers/Teabaggers.

If I'm DC Police and I hear about this, the last thing I'm thinking about is how peaceful this is gonna be.

Even if you were to give your neighbor the benefit of the doubt and assume they have no plans to overthrow the government, they are still taking a HUGE leap of faith that every one of the marchers has the fire discipline to not go berserk and start shooting away.
What if there's a counterprotest? Are there guarantees that there won't be a misunderstanding? What if someone has a defective weapon or an accident? Like another poster says, if there's a sufficiently loud bang, the paranoid will start shooting, forcing others to start shooting.

If there's really a million people, all armed, coming, then the risk of an accidental discharge or someone kick-starting an impromptu coup goes up as well.

I'd hate to have to call in your neighbor on questionable grounds if I were in your shoes. But there's no way this doesn't end well. In the interests of public safety alone, I would want to find out more. I wouldn't sit on this.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 11:59 AM
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109. Let them do what ever failed nonsense they want
They got nothin' and probably couldn't collect a million morans anyway.

If they do and IF they get out of hand then a half dozen blackhawks will settle them nicely.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 02:06 PM
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117. Are you talking about the Second Amendment March...
If so, they have a web site.

http://secondamendmentmarch.com/

Some quick research shows that originally this group was named The Million Gun Owner March.

I don't believe there is any intention of the organizers to have the marchers carry weapons during this march.

Note: I personally will not be present as I have a concealed carry permit and I carry. Washington DC does not honor a Florida carry permit. I also believe that the Obama administration and the controlling Democrats in Congress are not going to pass draconian gun laws as that would prove to be political suicide for the party.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 07:03 PM
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125. Chances are there's already an FBI agent monitoring this group
After all, they can't ALL be infiltrating Code Pink.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 08:42 PM
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128. DC has some of the most draconian gun laws in the country
This should be interesting. :popcorn:
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