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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 08:48 PM
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Watergate
{1} "The past is never dead. It’s not even past." – William Faulkner

Current events remind "baby boomers" of the early 1970s, when the Nixon administration came apart at the seams. An unpopular war, scandals resulting from criminal activities in the executive branch, a congress that is beginning to ask questions and demand answers, and a hostile, paranoid president seem all too familiar. But it is not just progressive democrats who notice the similarities: the jackals from the gutter of the republican party see it, too. And they are attempting to spin both the historic and current events, in the hope of confusing the general public.

Their tactics are not surprising, nor are they original. They range from loud-mouthed fools like Sean Hannity, who attempts to reach the most dense in their viewing audience by comparing everything to the Bill Clinton administration, to those who feign open-mindedness – or who pose as progressives – who plant seeds of "misinformation" in an organized attempt to contaminate the public’s understanding of Watergate.

I thought it would be beneficial to take a look at the series of crimes that are known as "Watergate." We will look at the events that led up to the crimes; review some of the actual crimes; examine the investigations that came about; and discuss some of the consequences of Watergate.

In doing so, we will make use of a number of the resources available to those who are fascinated in this strange episode in our nation’s history. This includes using information both about and by one of the central players in the Watergate scandal, John Dean. I mention Mr. Dean now, because I believe that much of the distortion being planted about Watergate tends to target him. And the reason for that is simple: John Dean continues to explain why, in his opinion, the Bush-Cheney administration is "worse than Watergate."

{2} "This administration is the most secretive of our lifetime, even more secretive than the Nixon administration. They don’t believe the American people or Congress have any right to information." –Larry Klayman, chairman; Judicial Watch; quote from "Worse Than Watergate"; John Dean.

In both the Nixon and Bush administrations, there has been a focus on secrecy in their own affairs, that is matched only by their compulsive need to spy upon others. This is not a coincidence; rather, it is the essence of the paranoid behavior of those who are aware that they are engaged in wrong-doing, and are taking steps to avoid detection. In both administrations, there were attempts to justify these behaviors as being necessary for "national security." What is called the Patriot Act today had its genesis as the Huston Plan in the Nixon era.

Thus Huston Plan was an attempt to coordinate domestic spying by the CIA, FBI, NSA, and IRS in order to allow the Nixon administration to deal with "enemies." The Huston Plan could target those who may have potentially posed a threat to national security. But, of course, paranoid folks like those in both the Nixon and Bush administrations, tend to view political opponents as "enemies of the state." Disagreeing with the administration’s war policies, for example, was – and is – all the proof that each administration requires to determine if one is sufficiently patriotic to qualify for Constitutional protections.

In fact, when Tom Huston testified before the Senate, he expressed his opinion that a president does not need to be handcuffed by the 4th Amendment when dealing with potential threats to national security. As history shows, those "potential threats" included citizens opting to exercise those rights granted by the 1st Amendment.

The Huston Plan created a domestic "secret police" of the type that is common in the most undemocratic of nations. In "The Secret Man," Bob Woodward reminds us of how Mark Felt viewed Tom Huston: "Felt later wrote that he considered Huston himself ‘a kind of White House gauleiter over the intelligence community.’ The four-inch-thick Webster’s Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary defines a gauleiter as ‘the leader or chief official of a political district under Nazi control’." (page 34)

Officially, a couple days after approving the Huston Plan, Nixon would reverse his decision – at least on paper. However, as the Senate Watergate Report noted, a John Dean memorandum noted the decision was made to "remove the restraints as necessary to obtain such intelligence." (pages 56-7)

{3} "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated. Warrents shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." – Amendment #4

In 1971, the White House creates a group known as "the Plumbers" to investigate and stop "leaks" from the executive branch. The most famous of these leaks would become known as "The Pentagon Papers." The Nixon administration would identify the leaker Daniel Ellsberg, as a threat to national security. On paghes 35-6 of Woodward’s "The Secret Man," we read: "…White House aide Howard Hunt would lead a burglary team to Los Angeles to break into the office of the psychiatrist to Daniel Ellsberg, who had leaked the Pentagon Papers to The New York Times. Hunt and his sidekick, Liddy, the so-called Plumbers, were working to stop news leaks, in part because the White House did not believe it could count on the FBI to tackle the leaks aggressively. The previous month, on August 11, 1971, John D. Ehrlichman, one of Nixon’s top aides and chief domestic adviser, had checked ‘Approved’ on a memo recommending that ‘a covert operation be undertaken to examine all medical files still held by Ellsberg’s psychiatrist.’ Ehrlichman had added in his own hand, ‘if done under your assurance that it is not traceable’."

In 1972, John Mitchell, the former Attorney General heading the Committee to Re-Elect the President (CREEP), authorizes "Operation Gemstone." (See Ervin Report, pages 74-82.) Part of Gemstone will include "burglaries"; the most famous of these took place on June 17, 1972, at the Watergate.

Although George McGovern would attempt to make the Watergate break-in a campaign issue, the media and the general public tended to ignore it. Of the few journalists who did investigate the break-in, the best known are Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein of the Washington Post. It is known that Woodward was in large part directed by a source that he and Bernstein would call "Deep Throat." This source helped them to focus on the role that Ehrlichman and Haldeman played in the scandal, including the cover-up.

On February 2, 1973, after convicting the four Cubans, McCord, Hunt, and Liddy, Judge John Sirica would urge Congress to investigate the Nixon administration’s involvement in the Watergate scandal. This was in part because of a letter that McCord had sent to him, telling of pay-offs, etc. "Everbody knows there’s going to be a Congressional investigation in this case. I hope so, frankly, not only as a judge, but as a citizen of a great country and one of millions of Americans who are looking for certain answers," he said.

In February, the Senate created the Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities. Sam Ervin (D-NC) was appointed the chairman; minority leader Howard Baker (R-Tenn) served as vice chair.Among the committee’s duties was the investigation of the Watergate break-in.

The Nixon administration self-righteously denied all involvement in the scandal. However, this stance was seriously damaged in March, when White House Counsel John Dean testified about his involvement in the Watergate scandal. His testimony indicated that Ehrlichman and Haldeman were directly involved. More, he raised serious questions about the President’s potential involvement.

In late April, President Nixon announced the resignations of Dean, Ehrlichman, and Haldeman. Within a few weeks, Nixon saw the Department of Justice appoint Harvard law professor Archibald Cox as special prosecutor.

On July 16, 1973, White House assistant Alexander Butterfield revealed that the president had a system for taping conversations in the Oval Office. Both the Senate committee and special prosecutor Cox would request copies of the tapes. Nixon would claim that "executive privilege" allowed him to keep the tapes secret.

In August, Jeb Magruder pleaded guilty to crimes including obstruction of justice. He had formerly served as Haldeman’s assistant at the White House. At the time of the break-in, he served as deputy director of CREEP. (The Final Days; Woodward & Bernstein; page 47)

On October 20, President Nixon ordered Attorney General Elliott Richardson to fire Cox. Both Richardson and his deputy William Ruckelshaus refused to fire Cox, and instead resigned. Solicitor General Robert Bork then fired Cox. This episode is known as the "Saturday Night Massacre."

On October 10, VP Spiro Agnew resigned in disgrace. He faced charges of corruption separate from the Watergate scandal, though his fate increased the public’s sense that the nation was facing a Constitutional crisis.

John Dean also pleaded guilty in October to crimes involving the obstruction of justice.

In November, the Senate Committee concluded its hearings. They would not make their findings public until the following spring. During that period of time, President Nixon continued to lie to the American people about his role in the Watergate scandal.

In March, 1974, a federal grand jury returned indictments against Mitchell, Ehrlichman, Haldeman, and White House Special Counsel Chuck Colson for conspiracy, perjury, and obstruction of justice. More, President Richard Nixon was listed as an "unindicted co-conspiartor."

In April, Nixon released edited transcripts of the White House tapes. The edited versions did not help Nixon – in fact, the result was quite the opposite.

On July 24, the US Supreme Court ruled unanimously that Nixon had to turn over the relevant tapes. (For a fuller story on the legal battle, see "The Presidential Transcripts"; The Washington Post; 1974)

The tapes provided the "smoking gun" that many Americans anticipated. The House Judiciary Committee started impeachment hearings, and voted in favor of four articles. It was crystal clear that Nixon would be convicted and removed from office. Instead, he resigned on August 9. VP Gerald Ford became President, and in September he would pardon Richard Nixon.


{4} "Conventional wisdom both at the time and later held that the outcome of Watergate proved that the ‘system works.’ …. Historians continue to debate whether the episode was a bizarre aberration or a logical outgrowth of the massive expansion of presidential power and the official preoccupation with secrecy and ‘national security’ in ‘Cold War America’." – The Oxford Companion to United States History; page 820.

Did the system work? Last week on MSNBC, former Nixon aide Patrick Buchanan noted that 19 members of the Nixon administration were convicted of crimes in the Watergate scandal and incarcerated. However, the fact that the former president Nixon was pardoned allowed him to escape the full legal consequences for his crimes. Before we look closer at Nixon’s circumstances, however, let’s look at other evidence to determine if Watergate was "a bizarre aberration."

The Congress appeared to see the Nixon administration as posing a significant and systematic threat to our Constitutional democracy. As a result, they passed four laws aimed at addressing these types of threats. They are:
a- The War Powers Acr (1973).
b- The Federal Elections Campaign Amendment (1974).
c- The Ethics in Government Act (1978).
d- The Presidential Records Act (1978).

However, in the Reagan-Bush1 administrations, a series of crimes known as "the Iran-Contra scandal" would continue the path to an imperial presidency that Richard Nixon had dreamed of. And the Bush-Cheney scandals, including but not limited to the Iraq war/ Plame / neoconservative - AIPAC espionage scandals, have moved the presidency from beyond imperial to a revolutionary executive.

Thus, today when progressive democrats discuss options including the possibility of impeaching Bush, Cheney, and/or others in this administration, the example of Nixon and Watergate are indeed important. Should a president be faced with the full consequences of his administration’s illegal activities? Or should the nation pretend the scandals point to things other than the Office of the President?

One tactic that neoconservatives use today is to distort Watergate, by taking some truths and half-truths, and twisting them. For example, there was a good book by author Jim Hougan, titled "Secret Agenda: Watergate, Deep Throat and the CIA" (Random House; 1984). In it, Hougan noted that there were mini-dramas taking place within the intelligence community. These included the most obvious one: that someone or some small group was directing Bob Woodward’s investigating the scandal. This person/group was known as "Deep Throat." (Hougan believed that Al Haig was the most likely candidate.) Hougan would guess that Woodward may have had a tie to Deep Throat from his experience in the Office of Naval Intelligence; in fact, Felt (a "former" ONI officer), had been introduced to Woodward in the White House before Woodward lefty the Navy.

But there was more. Hougan was the first author to note that James McCord had an agenda that was very different than the other Watergate burglars. McCord had worked in a special intelligence operation doing counterespionage in WW2. He had worked in the FBI and the CIA after the war. His duties included working closely with M15 in England, and heading security operations at Langley. Hougan recognized that it was unlikely McCord would have accidentally made the errors attributed to him in the Watergate episode.

Hougan’s book has some errors that are a result of being authored in 1984. These do not detract from the overall value of the book. However, it was produced before some information was made public, such as Mark Felt’s role. Also, some connected to the scandal had begun to spread disinformation in an attempt to distract the public’s attention from the real issues involved.

For example, there were rumors planted that the CIA had to nail the Nixon administration for Watergate to protect one of their own more important programs. This was reported to be ties between the democratic leadership and a prostitution ring. A weakness of Hougan’s book was that he tended, at the time, to believe this was possible.

Looking back today, we can see that this pile of disinformation was prepared by conservative republican operatives who wanted to smear top democrats and, not surprisingly, John Dean. One need only read the preface of Dean’s 2006 "Conservatives Without Conscience" for a fuller account.

This does not mean that most people who remain opposed to Ford’s pardoning of Nixon are either insincere or wrong. But it is cause to question those who peddle the myth that Nixon was pardoned so that other issues would remain secret. The fact is that Nixon himself was certainly guilty of the high crimes and misdemeanors the House was planning to charge him with. But Nixon was not protecting anyone but himself. And the truth is that a number of investigations that started during the Nixon years continued after he was pardoned.

{5} "Secrecy – the first refuge of incompetents – must be at bare minimum in a democratic society, for a fully informed public is the basis of self-government. Those elected or appointed to positions of executive authority must recognize that government, in a democracy, cannot be wiser than the people." – House Committee on Government Operations; 1960 Report; quote taken from "Worse Than Watergate," by John Dean.

In January, 1970, Christopher Pyle reported on the US Army spying on the civilian population. On December 22, 1974, The New York Times featured an article by Seymour Hersch describing covert CIA operations including assassination attempts of foreign leaders; attempts to overthrow foreign governments; and the spying on US citizens.

On February 19, 1975, the House of Representatives created the Nedzi Committee; approximately 5 months later, it was replaced by the Pike Committee.

In 1975, Gerald Ford created the US President’s Commission on CIA activities within the United States. The investigation was headed by VP Nelson Rockefeller, and is often called the Rockefeller Commission. They looked at issues including surveillance of "domestic dissident groups"; the CIA mind control study known as MKULTRA; and the possible presence of E. Howard Hunt and Frank Sturgis in Dallas on 11-22-63.

Also in 1975, the United States Senate Select Committee to Study Government Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities was formed as a result of potentially illegal CIA and FBI activities were exposed by the Watergate investigations. Known as the Church Committee, because it was chaired by Senator Frank Church (D-ID), this was the precursor to today’s Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. In 1975 and ’76, the Church Committee issued 14 significant reports on the US intelligence community activities.

The House of Representatives and the Senate did not do a perfect job in the 1970s. But they made serious attempts to make good on this nation’s promise for a true Constitutional democracy. The issues involved in that Constitutional crisis were not limited to if Nixon needed further punishment, and certainly did not focus on any prostitution ring other than an executive office whoring for imperial power. American citizens would do well to take the time to study the events of the Watergate era today. Because, as Faulkner wrote, "The past is never dead. It’s not even past."
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 08:50 PM
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1. Throw in Rove and you have the link from Nixon to bu$h
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 04:54 PM
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72. Prescott Bush links Nixon to Poppy and Monkey


Sen. Prescott Bush adjusts Sen. Richard Nixon's hat before a stage routine. Sen. Robert Byrd looks on.

The Nazi Connection to the John F. Kennedy Assassination

Evidence of link between Nazis still in operation after World War II to the still unsolved murder of John F. Kennedy


by Mae Brussell

http://www.maebrussell.com/Mae%20Brussell%20Articles/Nazi%20Connection%20to%20JFK%20Assass.html
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 08:51 PM
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2. it has been my pleasure
to nominate this thread :hi:

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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 08:54 PM
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3. I just fifthed it!
If that's a word. lol!
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 09:03 PM
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8. Mine as well.
A very well written piece, if I may say so.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 08:55 PM
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4. # 4. Watched it unfold, day by day, from a particularly neat vantage in Georgetown, DC ....
Edited on Sun Apr-01-07 08:56 PM by understandinglife
... and hoped to never see anything like it during the remainder of my life ... i was young and quite naive, then ... not only must each citizen of the Republic learn, they must participate, every day, in making the present be the America described in our Constitution ...


Peace.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 09:00 PM
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5. Great rundown on all the similarities to Nixon
Bush and his secret administration are not above the law. The post-Nixon generation are about to find out.

I want to make sure that my grandchildren know about Frank Church.
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solara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 09:01 PM
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6. Excellent and very timely thanks for writing this
Recommending highly :hi:


:kick: :kick:





INVESTIGATE IMPEACH INDICT INCARCERATE :patriot:
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 09:02 PM
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7. Dude, the CIA's money coming back to Nixon from the Mexican bank
Edited on Sun Apr-01-07 09:58 PM by EVDebs
mentioned in an early footnote in All The President's Men is the key to this current dustup. This is The Octopus that Danny Casolaro and Gary Webb stumbled across.

That money in the '70s was excess Chilean money coming back north after being used to destabilize Allende.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Allende

The Watergate burglaries began in June 1972, apparently using the same tactics domestically as internationally, the CIA's Domestic operations began to create TOO MUCH blowback and things needed covering up (or limited hang-outs started, meaning tell a little truth to conceal more).

Today's CIA/GOP money pipeline was inadvertently uncovered with Carol Lam's CIA/Wilkes/Foggo/Cunningham/GOP investigation which the President and all of his men (and women) have now obstructed justice in order to prevent further investigation of.

Too bad Woodward was an insider. He never really followed the money all the way .... now did he ?



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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 09:05 PM
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9. Mr. Woodward
appears to have followed the money all the way to his own bank account.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 09:16 PM
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12. Check out how well his Republican source at Mullen & Co did for himself LOL !
Edited on Sun Apr-01-07 09:18 PM by EVDebs
""I have told Woodward everything I know about the Watergate case, except the Mullen Company's tie to the CIA."--Robert F. Bennett, testifying before House Special Committee on Intelligence, July 2, 1974.

Robert Bennett was the head of Robert R. Mullen and Co., a CIA front headquartered in the very same building as the CIA's Domestic Operations Division. The Mullen Co. did legitimate PR work; it also did PR for other CIA fronts and provided cover abroad for CIA operations. Bennett's most notable employee was Howard Hunt, a former chief of covert actions for the Domestic Operations Division of the CIA. ""

http://www.metroactive.com/papers/sonoma/07.03.97/scoop-9727.html

Infiltrating Congress (in its GOP-controlled days a mere version of the Gong Show), is what the GOP needed to perpetuate The Octopus. This is the real Beast of the Bible that dear naive Monica Goodling got herself messed up with. Too bad.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 12:26 AM
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27. Isn't THAT the truth!
:spank:
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 12:55 PM
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57. Page 36 and 37 All The President's Men re 'Chilean investors' and Banco Internacional, Mexican bank
Edited on Mon Apr-02-07 12:57 PM by EVDebs
footnotes

p. 36 "The $89,000 had first been mentioned by Silbert (Asst. US Attny) during a bond hearing for the Watergate suspects in early July. At the hearing, (Bernard) Barker's attorney had explained that $89,000 had moved throughthe Miami bank account as a result of a real-estate transaction in which Barker had represented a group of Chilean investors. The investors could not be identified, Barker's attorney said, for fear of political reprisals. The deal had fallen through, and Barker had returned the $89,000 to the investors, the lawyer had explained.

p.37 "On April 20, $89,000 was deposited in Barker's account in four checks issued to (Manuel) Ogarrio (Daguerre) in Mexico City, endorsed by him there and deposited in Miami, the Times reported. The drafts were for $15,000, $18,000, $24,000, and $32,000. Barker later withdrew the money. Ogarrio's 28-year-old son had told the Times that neither he nor his father had seen the four Banco Internacional drafts, and that none of the signatures on the checks resembled his father's"

But of more interest to DUers are the footnotes on pages 34 and 35, where suggestions by the Washington Star July 7 say ""A right wing group of anti-Castro Cubans financed the break-in at Democratic National Party headquarters here, ... because of fear that leading candidates for the Democratic presidential nomination are pro-Castro"" and suggesting that these candidates had taken Castro's money !!!!

This storyline, by rightwingers in the CIA and White House appears more plausible, but in order to keep the heat off the 'Company' and its foreign and domestic political palm-greasing, the logical thing to do was let the White House take ALL the heat. In fact at that point Nixon was painted into a corner with one of the impeachment charges being 'abuse of a federal agency (the CIA)'.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 01:44 PM
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62. And Sibel Edmonds has the other half of Carol Lam's story.
If all of the truth was TRULY to see the light of day, this octopus would stretch its tentacles all the way around the world.

We should have cut off the head of the monster the first time. And we, THE PEOPLE, need to rise up and make sure the monster is TOTALLY destroyed now. If not, it will only get worse, and more quickly.



:kick::kick::kick:
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 05:18 PM
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75. Ptech STILL has DOD and WhiteHouse contracts
Under its new name GoAgile

"Ptech is used primarily to develop enterprise blueprints at the highest level of US government and corporate infrastructure. These blueprints hold every important functional, operational, and technical detail of the enterprise. A secondary use of this powerful tool is to build other smart tools in a short period of time. Ptech’s clients in 2001 included the Department of Justice, the Department of Energy, Customs, Air Force, the White House, the FAA, IBM, Sysco, Aetna, and Motorola, to name just a few. "

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17730

Please note that even though this is a conservative emagazine, it is DEVASTATING to the Bush WH. The wargames of 9-11 would have a direct connection to the FAA and DOD contracting company Ptech's software. And wargames are only tangentially mentioned in the 9-11 Commission Report in a friggin' FOOTNOTE !
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PurpleChez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 09:06 PM
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10. Day-yam.
I've got to save this for future reading. Thanks!
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 09:08 PM
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11. Dean was/is right. We are so beyond the abuses of the Nixon administration,...
,...it's hard to believe,...it's hard to believe the American people have been so successfully manipulated,...it's hard to believe this administration has so easily stolen so much national treasure to line the pockets of their stooges,...it's hard to believe pundits assert Rove's Amorality as being something above immorality *UCK*!!!
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 05:43 AM
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36. Many people don't pay attention

They are too busy working, taking care of their families, and have other hobbies/interests. They listen to other people to get their political information, and do not read to get the facts. When they hear the lies sprewing out so many times, they begin to think the lies are the truth. It is very sad, and only when it is too late, do people wake up to try to do something.

:hi:
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 01:03 PM
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58. Your statement below:
"When they hear the lies sprewing out so many times, they begin to think the lies are the truth. It is very sad, and only when it is too late, do people wake up to try to do something."

When I read this the first time I thought, "yes". The news medias do this over and over.....e.g. 9/11,WMD,and al-Quaeda (sp?)as links to the war in Iraq, to put forth a few. Lately, the "hostages" as * likes to call them,were seized supposedly, I heard it stated as fact by a no name reporter this morning, as a RESPONSE to the U.N. sanctions!!!! Do they not realize that Iran captured the 15 British sailors BEFORE the U.N. Sanctions? But, here again, they espouse these "facts" repeatedly until they morph into facts! Most people, I agree, don't have the interest to read; thank goodness some are gaining tenacity to these subjects. Most people I talk with do not have a clue as to what is going on and the problems are so convoluted that I don't know where to begin to show them the way!


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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 09:21 PM
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13. k&r nt
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 09:27 PM
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14. K & R
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 09:29 PM
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15. And there will be those who are swayed by the truth rather than by party allegiance.
Like Dean. And they will also cause this corruption to crack apart.

I never knew what "plumbers" meant. Now I know. Thanks so much.

It's getting very interesting right now. I was 16 when Watergate happened. But I missed the seriousness of it. Not this time, though.
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brer cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 09:34 PM
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16. I remember the Watergate years well. Question H20 Man:
The DOJ and the Judiciary came through in key moments during those investigations. The House and Senate can't do it alone, IMHO, and I'm afraid both DOJ and the Courts have been so packed with * lackeys that no help with be forthcoming.

Do you think that the * administration has gone so far out that a majority of Supremes will not "follow the leader"? There is certainly no Richardson or Ruckelshaus near the top of DOJ, but have they purged all people of principal?

Excellent post!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 09:47 PM
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17. I do not
anticipate that the Supreme Court will make many rulings that uphold the Bush-Cheney administration's illegal activities.

It's interesting to consider the possibilities of people within the bowels of the executive branch standing up to Bush and Cheney. Maybe there is another John Dean somewhere. Maybe this fellow McNulty will surprise us -- and the administration. And the same thing with the congress. It's worth noting that men, including Senator Ervin, who were actually flawed, rose to the occasion and stood up for what was right when it mattered the most.
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brer cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 10:00 PM
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20. Thanks.
There were many unexpected heroes during Watergate.
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Cobalt-60 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 11:22 PM
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26. If the SCOTUS is bought
perhaps our side needs to take measures to make sure these criminals are punished.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 09:59 PM
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18. I truly enjoy your posts H2Oman
I hope to see a book in the future with your name as author.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 09:59 PM
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19. Senator Church was targeted by the RNC.
The Republicans made sure Sen. Church paid for the investigations by ganging up on him and defeating him. Even then, they wanted the cover-up to continue to the extent possible. That contributed to today's problems. So did the Iran-Contra cover-up operations and pardons. There is a lesson in this. CLEAN HOUSE thoroughly or the felonious players will return to haunt the nation!!
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 10:02 PM
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21. Thank you for this excellent post! The Watergate Hearings were "must-see TV" for my friends & I,
back in the day.

There was whole group of us then 20-somethings who met up to watch the hearings together every day while they were happening.

Man, back then Nixon seemed like the most evil person ever. But he was a piker compared to the criminal syndicate we've got now...

sw
(voted to recommend, of course)
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 10:14 PM
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22. Only one significant difference between Nixon and *bush
Nixon wasn't preparing to nuke a third nation without provocation. (Okay, we were in Cambodia, but his finger wasn't twitching on the nuke button.)

*bush IS preparing to use nukes, and most likely will begin WWIII before he's taken into custody. By the time Congress gets a clue it will be WAY too late to undo all the damage that's about to be done by him.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 10:43 PM
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23. Nixon
Edited on Sun Apr-01-07 10:44 PM by Patsy Stone
could lie in complete and complex sentences. He could find other countries on a map. He was a crook, but he wasn't an embarrassing moron.

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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 12:01 PM
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52. "If Cambodia doesn't work we'll bomb Hanoi ...if necessary i'll drop the big one"
From Oliver Stone's "Nixon" (a quite thoroughly researched docu drama):

n: We'll end up negotiating with both the Chinese and the Soviets and we get better deals then we ever dreamed of from both. That is triangular diplomacy, gentlemen.

k: Exactly, that's what geo-politics is about: the linking of the whole world, for self-interest.

- Excuse me sir, are you saying we are going to recognize Red China? that would cost us our strongest support.

n: No, i can do this because i spend my whole career building anti-communist credentials.

- Damn risky, mr president.

n: This will get me a second term. Damnit, without risk there is no heroism and there is no history, Nixon was born to do this. Give history a nudge.
If Cambodia doesn't work we'll bomb Hanoi if we have to. That's right, and if necessary i'll drop the big one.

k: We have to entertain the possibility.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 10:56 PM
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24. President Reagan lied repeatedly to the American people and Congress
Are the Sandinista terrorists on the Texas border yet? Rhetoric to haunt Freeepers.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x503712
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 12:30 AM
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28. Or his supeona induced amnesia, which seems to be going around these days, kicked in !
Reagan's Alzheimer's wasn't in that advanced a stage during Iran Contra.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 11:21 PM
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25. Champion post!
I remember it all. Not pretty.

You fit a TON of history into a small space. I thank you so much.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 12:33 AM
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29. Watergate, 'Gemstone' and Liddy, to REX84 under Reagan, and now *
Edited on Mon Apr-02-07 12:34 AM by EVDebs
the Huston Plan that Dean was competing with. It all leads up to a police state and martial law. The executive orders, all approved under the watchful eyes of Roberts and Alito during those Reagan years, at their respective WH Counsel and DOJ/WH liason positions, all made martial law a posibility today. But just recently FEMA has been removed and ICE is now the key player in making it happen with detention camps etc. for dissidents under the guise of illegal alien roundups.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 12:46 AM
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30. Thanks for the refresher course. K and R
bu$h is another chapter in the same book of horror!
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 02:36 AM
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31. BushCo makes Watergate look like a misdemeanor . . .n/t
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 03:56 AM
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32. This is amazing.
Man, what a post!!

This is simply amazing.

I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see USA Today quote this in one of their articles.
This is really good reading.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 04:00 AM
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33. K&R. I hope those of us who witnessed both events
have learned as well as the recycled criminals in office.

Thank you, H2O Man.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 11:00 AM
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45. Hopefully those in Congress have learned NOT to recycle criminals n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 01:46 PM
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63. Hi there, L. Coyote. I guess we'll see with the next appointment.
:(
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 02:40 PM
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65. Coyote, I'm afraid Congress houses a great many of those criminals
We've only sent a couple of them to jail over the past couple of years, but there are a whole lot more of 'em that need to be behind bars.

This country is out of control with lawlessness and corruption at the highest levels. We have seen the republican-controlled congress ACT EXACTLY like a mafia for the 12 years they were in total control of our legislative branch, and they finally succeeded in putting the bush family mafia at the HEAD of our government through election theft.

We're in quite a predicament, and I don't know if Waxman, Conyers, and Leahy can clean it up all by themselves. I know they have Kerry and Kennedy's complete support, and members of the Black Caucus are well versed on white-man's corruption in government. But the courts are all stacked with republican judges who are just as guilty of corruption and special interests as the people they're protecting.

:kick::kick::kick:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 02:43 PM
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66. Valid points.
We're in a serious struggle. And it will not be won in a matter of a few years.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 03:39 PM
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69. Hi H2O Man, and thanks for a great thread.
:applause: Once again!! : que smiley that shows knocking one out of the park :

:kick::kick::kick:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 04:01 PM
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70. It is an
interesting thread. Watergate is an essential topic for study in order for democrats to get a good idea what direction we should be heading in today.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 04:14 AM
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34. K & R, bookmarked...great post! n/t
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 04:25 AM
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35. K, R + B
Kicked, rec'd, and booked.

Ty Mr. H2Oman
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WHAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 05:46 AM
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37. My problem is with Felt...
I don't think he was deep throat...

In part because he was named by Woodward...

And, I tend to think the new playground of such "intelligence", today, must be the Indian reservations because of legal technicalities (because the cia is not supposed to operate within the USA and the reservations are considered "sovereign" nations, and, thus more cia territory than fbi). I'm thinking that bush's transition team, sic. abramnoff, was playing on the reservations...not just for the gambling, but because of this precious technicality. This would tie-in with the general lack of scrutiny and subsequent accountability afforded "our" first nations.

In the on-going view of things, expendable equals affordable (in the long term, this posture might interfer with this comforting inference). Because of this, my impulse is to support any honest Indian inquiry with respect to Bureau of Indian Affairs record keeping...especially financial transactions; but, also nuances of control that over-rides by targeting (smearing) undesirable leadership. Anyway, I would instinctually safe-guard any indigenous reaction to manipulated "consensus" on the reservations because I view it as a big back door, that, if opened, would go relatively unnoticed while allowing a fulcrum for leverage against the best interests of citizens...as a whole, within and without the territorial boundaries of sovereign nations...our co-mingled but unrecognized brethren.

Anyway, I've been directing my political observations more immediately to the reservations than to felt. This is similar to the way I trust the African Americans (not Doan, the group). This is a grand system that supercedes the mean manipulation of a token meme and proves the value of inclusive democracy...and, I think it will work!

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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 11:30 AM
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50. Check out post #12
Woodward's and Bradlee's intelligence background along with Bradlee being good buddy of Graham A. Martin since their days in France postwar...and WaPost's pro-war stance...makes you wonder what the hell Watergate was all about.

In my mind they wanted Nixon out but hid the money trail, that Chilean money mentioned with the Mexican bank in the footnote early on in All The President's Men.

No, they didn't follow the money all the way back to its source. The CIA was exposed as involved, but in a 'limited hang-out', only a little truth is exposed in order to hide the vaster cesspool of corruption. In this case the CIA/GOP money pipeline.

This is the connection to the Cunningham/Wilkes/Foggo/CIA/MZM mess that Carol Lam tipped the lid off of. If it can be shown to Congress that the FBI has now stopped the investigation, you'll have the obstruction of justice charges on a silver platter.

"It's all part of a growing ongoing investigation into corruption in defense and intelligence contracts, which already has sent former Rep. Randy “Duke” Cunningham to prison and, legal sources say, may threaten others in Congress and the CIA. "

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12634250/

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Irishonly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 09:01 AM
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38. Thank You
Over the years, I have forgotten a lot of the details of Watergate. Thank you for the refresher.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 09:04 AM
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39. Remember also the primary shennanigans - trying to
ensure that those dem candidates that were most competitive would never make it through the primary process - most notably the "Cannuck Letter" and the Muskie crying moment. I believe that Rove cut his teeth as a college repub and was noted as a rising star in this time period.

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 09:41 AM
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42. A number of
the Bush2 criminals were members of the Nixon gang, and learned the harsh lessons that would make them into more shrewd criminals. One that stands out is Donald Rumsfeld: while serving with Ford, he was the most opposed to the suggestions for reforming the intelligence community made by members of the House and Senate Committees.
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 10:33 AM
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44. Rumsfeld - a desire to succeed no matter what that entails



Rumsfeld - 1954, Princeton
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 04:01 PM
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71. May the crooks this time around - be so throroughly discredited
(and jailed where possible) so that they can not crawl out in another decade or so to try to wreak even more havoc on our country (and the world.)
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 09:06 AM
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40. Why do Republicans embrace corruption as a means to an end?
Nixon, Reagan, bush I, bush II. Has there ever been a corrupt Democratic administration which compares to the level of corruption that Republicans embrace?

Four administrations in such a historically short span of time. It makes me wonder what is wrong with people who fail to see that Republicans consider secrecy and dirty deeds as par for the course, as long as their agenda is accomplished, and the Constitution be damned.

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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 11:29 AM
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49. The love of money is the root of all evil.
Even if it might have been being raised by such people. There's nothing wrong with money. But when it is of greater value than the love of humanity, the evil shines.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 02:50 PM
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67. Which is precisely why the Fairness Doctrine was dismantled by the republicans
Edited on Mon Apr-02-07 02:50 PM by loudsue
Because once they owned the press, nobody will EVER get to the root of the problem so that the American people can hear of it. The internet has been a huge help for many of us, but "the masses" don't use the internet for political discussion, and get their news, instead, from the shady tabloid-style media hype.

If a 527 organization or someone could make a documentary or long commercial to show the continuing thread of corruption by the republican party, the media outlets would not let it run, not for any price. They're too tied in with the corruption themselves.

:kick::kick::kick:
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 09:10 AM
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41. exactly why pardoning nixon was such a betrayal....
...despite anything caroline kennedy has to say on the subject.

and let's not forget, nixon was hand-picked for office by one prescott bush.
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IWantAChange Donating Member (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 10:22 AM
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43. K&R - another great one H2OMan - thanx
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 11:08 AM
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46. Kick and bookmarked! (too late to Rec, but it doesn't need it!) ...n/t
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 11:17 AM
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48. It isn't too late. n/t
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 12:05 PM
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53. LOL! I found that out after I rec'd it. ....n/t
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bluescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 11:13 AM
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47. I never thought I would see the day
When a President of the United States would make Richard Nixon look good. :mad: George W. Bush haas done what I thought was impossible. And the lapdog Congress and the Goddamn Liberal Media have made it too effing easy for him.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 11:45 AM
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51. Do You Have Any Opinion On The Work
of the Church committee?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 12:38 PM
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56. Yes, I do.
I think that there are very real strengths and weaknesses in the Church Committee's findings. I'll include the Pike, and other related Congressional investigations from that era, as well. They made an important start, and their reports include significant amounts of information that began to expose the nature of the non-democratic forces that had gained control of huge parts of our government. Their weaknesses were rooted in fear.

There is a book I'll recommend: "The FBI and the Assassination of Martin Luther King: Murder in Memphis," by Mark Lane and Dick Gregory. They discuss Church, Pike, and the House sub-committee that investigated King's murder. There's a paragraph on page viii that reads, in part, "Walter Faunttroy, the delegate from Washington, DC, to the House of Representatives, and the chairman of the sub-committee assigned to investigate the King assassination, told the authors of this book that while his investigation was underway the FBI had tapped the telephone in his office, his home and his church, and it might kill him, 'as it had killed Dr. King,' were he to conduct a serious investigation." I'm familiar with what others from the Congress said to Dick Gregory on this very topic, and it is of much the same tone.

Some of the democratic leadership was quite brave. In a Church Committee meeting where FBI Director Hoover's pathological hatred for King was detailed, including Hoover's attempts to discredit Martin, Senator Mondale stated, "I must conclude that apart from direct physical violence and apart from illegal incarceration, there is nothing in this case that distinguishes that particular action much from what the KGB does with dissenters in that country. I think it is a road map to the destruction of American democracy."
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 02:28 PM
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64. Interesting
Thank you. Someone had mentioned it in passing and as I was clueless about the committee, this seemed a good place to ask.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 02:51 PM
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68. The Church Committee
There is a wealth of information available on the internet about the various reports. I tend to think the most important has to do with the Huston Plan; I believe the 409 pages make up the 2nd volume of the series of reports. It includes three interviews with the people who really believed that they were above the law, and had the absolute authority to trample the Constitution of the United States. I highly recommend it.

There are a series of reports on subjects ranging from questionable storage of "toxic agents"; the NSA and Amendment #4; the FBI; foreign and military intelligence; issues involving Dallas; and a series of reports regarding intelligence gathering vs the rights of citizens.

As one branch of the democratic party moved towards re-establishing our Constitutional democracy, another group split the party. They joined the republican machine, and include what were known as dixie-crats and also the neoconservatives.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 12:08 PM
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54. Great post H2O Man
Bookmarked for a thorough reading this evening.
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Lil Missy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 12:29 PM
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55. WOW! Just WOW!
Very informative post, although I will admit that a lot of it went over my head.

That's what a like about reading the DU, is that sometimes you can find someone that can bring an historical prospective to the crimes that are being perpetuated by this current administration.

I instinctively KNOW this administration is the most crooked and corrupt as I will ever know in my lifetime. It is just nice to see an historical analysis of something I could never articulate on my own.

Thank you, H2O man
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 01:40 PM
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61. Thank you.
This is indeed the most crooked and corrupt administration possible .... not only have they brought in more "all star" criminals from other administrations and corporate entities, but they reject those who are only mildly criminal. There is not a single honest person in any position of power in this administration.
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mantis49 Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 01:07 PM
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59. K&R and bookmarked for reference material.
5 more votes to get to greatest page.

Thanks for the refresher H2O Man.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 01:08 PM
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60. Recommended. IMPEACH THE * CABAL NOW. eom
Edited on Mon Apr-02-07 01:10 PM by TheGoldenRule
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AikidoSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 04:56 PM
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73. What about the table?




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Pawel K Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 05:03 PM
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74. Thanks for this thread
I've only got through a 1/4 of it as I have to clock out and go home, I'll finish the rest later. But for people like me that weren't around at that time deserve this information. Thanks again.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 05:27 PM
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76. It all started with a piece of tape put horizontally on a door lock rather than vertical
and inside the door where it wouldn't be seen. No self-respecting burglar would have done THAT. Besides, there were 2 Watergate break-ins...why'd they HAVE to go back again ?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 06:29 PM
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77. A piece of tape
which replaced another.

Once one is inside a locked room, there is no need for that tape .... unless one is guiding others to that room. Lucky thing there were plain clothes officers to respond to the call to the Watergate!
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 06:34 PM
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78. Is it paranoia??
But, of course, paranoid folks like those in both the Nixon and Bush administrations, tend to view political opponents as "enemies of the state."

Maybe it's a moot or unimportant point, and I readily admit I don't necessarily know the mental illness definition of paranoia --

but a statement like this presupposes that this administration CARES about the State enough to want to protect it -- and then, of course, self-identifies with the State. I honestly don't believe that's true with these people. I honestly often think that their true agenda is the desctruction of the country -- OR, if not that, then to them the destruction of the country is a possible outcome that they don't care about in the pursuit of their agenda.

And what IS their agenda? I'm not entirely sure, but I don't think we pay enough attention to the private equity company (which is not a corporation, so not regulated by corporate laws) known as The Carlyle Group and other entities like it, for starters.

Anyway, I think that unlike Nixon, they use any possible "enemy of the state" arguments as a convenient way to garner yet more power, and engage in yet more secrecy. I think they know better, they just prefer totalitarianism, and a dictatorship of their own making.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 06:57 PM
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79. The title of McCord's book A Piece Of Tape
A piece of tape: The Watergate story
by James W McCord

jeez, Amazon.com wants about $50 !
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 11:40 PM
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86. I think your assessment is absolutely accurate.
I believe they don't care about the destruction of the country; as far as they're concerned, it's just "collateral damage" from their agenda, and actually helps promote their agenda.

You've probably read this book, but for others perusing this post who aren't aware of it, I recommend The Iron Triangle: Inside the Secret World of the Carlyle Group, by Dan Briody. It's enough to make the hairs on the back of one's neck stand up.

Here's what one reviewer wrote: The Iron Triangle, when I first heard about it, seemed like one of those conspiracy theory books in which the government is controlled by a handful of people that meet in a small room once a year to decide the fate of the world economy. However, this book was not like that. Instead, it is an almost academic work of investigative reporting that breaks down what goes on in this secret group of former presidents, Defense Department officials, CIA agents, and business men. And, to be frank, it is a little scary. Read this book for an interesting look at how foreign policy and big business work in the modern world.

http://www.amazon.com/Iron-Triangle-Inside-Secret-Carlyle/dp/0471281085
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blondie58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 07:34 PM
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80. thank you, H2O man
I sorely need this history of Watergate as I was too busy at the time climbing trees and catching crawdads, as I was a tomboy.

The similarities of today are incredible. I hope that this administration gets their just dessert for all of their crimes and abuse of powers.
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cureautismnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 07:38 PM
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81. Don't forget the "dirty tricks."
Tricky Dick's henchmen carried out numerous dirty political tricks spelled out in ATPM. For example, the forged Canuck Letter that contributed to Muskie's demise, paying people to defecate in the streets outside of the Democratic National Convention while pretending to be dem. supporters, flying banners in the sky such as 'Legalize Pot-Vote Democratic,' etc. These shysters wrote the book on NOT playing by the rules of common decency. Bush-boy and his Rovian gargoyles have written the 2nd edition of the book.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 07:42 PM
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82. "The past is never dead. It’s not even past."
Amen, brother.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 07:44 PM
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83. Fred Thompson and Alexander Butterfield. Someone ask this during the campaign !
Edited on Mon Apr-02-07 07:55 PM by EVDebs
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=562312&mesg_id=562578

What are Fred Thompson's ties to the intelligence community ? Don't fret none, "intelligence" and "Republican" seem to be mutually exclusive unless there's money involved !
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 08:45 PM
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84. Oh, and hey, maybe Sen Thompson keeps up w/ his old Watergate buddy Sen Bennett !
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 09:09 PM
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85. There is SO MUCH missing from this article--not H2O Man's fault, it's Bush I's.
Bush I's sweeping pardon of all involved in the Iran/Contra affair--and his success in hiding behind the story that he was "out of the loop"--not only left most of the shady players free to return to the game, it left them unafraid of the consequences of getting caught, knowing they could count on powerful friends in a succeeding Repug administration to bail them out. That would be a powerful motivating factor to ensure that each succeeding administration *was* Republican, and to embrace any means available to bring that end about.

The "lesson" that Karl Rove and his generation of Repug operatives learned from Watergate was not one of the arrogance of power, but one of "try not to get caught, and if you do get caught, fight even dirtier"; but most of all, to first lay the groundwork to ensure that the only powers to check and balance, to administer oversight, and, where necessary, justice, are firmly in the grip of like-minded fellow criminals.

It is now accepted that the treatment of microbial infections with antibiotics can have the undesired effect of selectively breeding more virulent infectious strains. If antibiotic therapy is ended before the infection is completely overcome, only the weaker strains of microbe are killed off, and the survivors, left to breed afterwards, are members of the hardiest strains, thus even more difficult to eradicate than the original infecting population. Obviously, I'm about to formulate an analogy with the infection that took over the executive branch under Nixon. Those who resigned or went to jail are viewed by Rove and his ilk as the weak members of the species, and their own bad selves as the hardier strain, which, not being eradicated by an incomplete course of treatment, have only been made stronger. To remove this infection from the executive branch, we must learn from medical science that the only effective therapy is one which continues until every sign of the infection is gone, and then some. Only too much investigation and prosecution can ever be enough. We must prepare for the inevitable whining that the public is "tired of the whole business", or has just lost interest, after all the big fish have been gaffed (mixing metaphors, I know). A truly competent and concerned Democrat Congress will continue the investigations until every one of the guilty parties, however high or low on the chain of command, has been convicted, turned out of office, or forced to acknowledge guilt in a plea bargain. If they stop short, the infection will only return, more resistant than ever. Our third chance may be our last.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 10:09 AM
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88. Yes, this was why Bush I pardoned all ancillaries to the S&L fiasco
Edited on Tue Apr-03-07 10:38 AM by EVDebs
like accountants etc who had knowledge of what was going on. I can't remember if it was legislatioin that did it (probably) or outright 'class' pardons, or amnesty from prosecutions, but I remember a lot of accountants, title companies, real estate appraisers, who were central to jacking up R.E. values on appraisals in order to 'flip' properties, breathing a huge sigh of relief.

Most were GOP...but this allowed cover for the CIA's funding operation in Iran Contra without Congressional permissions (Boland Amendment and Constitution etc financing requirements). Hey, we're back to Watergate, Allende, and 'covert ops' $ coming back into the US to help fund the GOP ! My, how history keeps repeating itself.\\

The S&L Scandal cost an estimated $150 billion
http://www.answers.com/topic/savings-and-loan-crisis

The Cost of the S&L crisis
http://www.fdic.gov/bank/analytical/banking/2000dec/brv13n2_2.pdf

and you can be sure the CIA too its cut then, as now:

CIA Links to the Savings & Loan Scandal
by Joseph A. Palermo
http://www.skepticfiles.org/conspire/cia-s&ld.htm

"Democratic National Committee Chair Ron Brown
said that Republicans cannot escape the fact that "George Bush, Ronald
Reagan and their high-roller friends ran the government, designed the
S&L policy and handpicked the people that gutted the oversight
agencies. They are now being forced to take responsibility for the
greatest rip-off in American history."

What's really curious is that in the fallout of the S&L debacle, the CLINTON DOJ spent more time investigating THE CLINTONS than those who had looted the S&Ls. Seems the DOJ, and affiliated justice/investigative agencies, were covering up something and needed distractions. Like today's Anna Nicole Smith stuff.



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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 12:46 PM
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89. Too many crimes to even remember them all! nt
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 02:23 AM
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87. kick
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 12:55 PM
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90. Just like memory land (great piece) Gonzo's performance on the 17th
could make or break the prosecutors8 story.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 12:58 PM
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91. You mean April 17th, when he testifies ?
Edited on Tue Apr-03-07 12:59 PM by EVDebs
Reminds me of that quote by Twain, something like 'better to remain silent than to open your mouth and remove all doubt' !
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