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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 12:04 PM
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An Imperfect Chronology (Plame Thread #3)
"For every thing there is a season, and a time for every matter under heaven: a time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up what has been planted; a time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; a time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; a time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; a time to seek, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; a time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; a time to love, and a time to hate; a time for war, and a time for peace." – Ecclesiates 3:1-8


As we enter the week in which Patrick Fitzgerald’s opening statement will focus on truth, and in which President Bush’s state of the union address will justify his lies, it may be interesting to examine a partial history of the Plame scandal. What follows is not, of course, a complete history. Yet it may help us to see some of the patterns of I. Liar Libby’s behavior – those things he now says that he simply forgot.

1992: Scooter Libby and Paul Wolfowitz prepare a classified document for their boss, Dick Cheney, which is leaked to the press. It is a blueprint for empire, calling for a global US military presence to "establish and protect a new order," and to deter any "potential competitors from even aspiring to a larger regional or global role." (Where the Right Went Wrong; Patrick Buchanan; 2004; pages 42-43)

1992: Karl Rove is fired from President Bush1’s re-election campaign for leaking information to journalist Robert Novak. (Newsweek; 7-25-05; page 31)

January 26, 1998: The neoconservative Project for the New American Century (PNAC) sends a letter to President Bill Clinton, requesting that he invade Iraq. http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm

1999: Ambassador Joseph Wilson goes on a trip to Niger to investigate rumors about possible sale of yellow cake uranium. The trip is reportedly made for the CIA. (State Department memo; Carl W. Ford, Jr; 6-10-03; page 4)

January, 2001: "In foreign policy, demonstrating a policy that would soon be called ‘preemption’ with the overthrow of Saddam – despite Bush’s campaign pronouncements that the United States would be ‘humble’ in its global posture and never engage in ‘nation-building’ – was already a central mission." (The Price of Loyaltty: George W. Bush, the White House, and the Education of Paul O’Neill; Ron Suskind; 2004; page 87)

September 15: "Wolfowitz seized the opportunity. Attacking Afghanistan would be uncertain. He worried about 100,000 American troops bogged down in mountain fighting in Afghanistan six months from then. In contrast, Iraq was a brittle, oppressive regime that might break easily. It was doable. He estimated that there was a 10 to 50 percent chance that Saddam was involved in the September 11 terrorist attacks. ….During a break, Bush joined a side discussion that included Cheney, Cheney’s chief of staff, I. Lewis ‘Scooter’ Libby, and Wolfowitz. … Wolfowitz expanded on his arguments about how a war against Iraq might be easier than against Afghanistan." (Bush At War; Bob Woodward; 2002; pages 83-84)

January, 2002: The first "reports" of a possible Niger-Iraq deal involving yellow cake uranium surface in the Bush administration. (The Politics of Truth; Joseph Wilson; 2004; page 452)

February 19, 2002: Joseph Wilson meets with people at the CIA, to discuss his taking a trip to Niger to investigate the Niger situation. (Wilson; page 452; // TIME; 7-25-05; page 26)

March, 2002: After he returns from Africa, Wilson briefs people at the CIA and State Department on his findings. (Wilson; page 452)

March 9, 2002: The CIA sends a memo to the White House, summarizing Wilson’s findings. (TIME; 7-25; page 26)
August, 2002: "Hadley and Libby were part of another secret office that had been set up within the White House. Known as the White House Iraq Group (WHIG), it was established in August 2002 by Chief of Staff Andrew H. Card, Jr., at the same time the OSP was established in Feith’s office. Made up of high-level administration officials, its job was to sell the war to the general public, largely through televised addresses and by selectively leaking the intelligence to the media." (A Pretext for War; James Bamford; 2004; page 318)

August, 2002: "The WHIG began priming its audience in August when Vice President Cheney, on three occasions, sounded a shrill alarm over Saddam Hussein’s nuclear threat." (Bamford; page 319)

September 14, 2002: "Saddam Hussein has the scientists and infrastructure for a nuclear-weapons program, and has illicitly sought to purchase the equipment needed to enrich uranium for a nuclear weapon." President Bush’s weekly radio address.

October, 2002: "The Iraqi regime is seeking nuclear weapons. Does it make any sense for the world to wait …. For the final proof, the smoking gun that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud?" President Bush, speech in Cincinnati.

October 10 & 11, 2002: Both the House and Senate pass resolutions that authorize the use of force against Iraq. (TIME; 7-25-05; page 26)

January 23, 2003: Condi Rice has an op-ed in the New York Times in which she discusses "Iraq’s efforts to get uranium from abroad."

January 28, 2003: "Then the president’s voice took on a different tone. He began to detail the horrible substances Saddam Hussein had not accounted for. To a hushed chamber, Bush recited the poisons …Then came the fateful and now famous sixteen words … All the while, Bush had spoken in a hushed voice, deliberately and dramatically emphasizing each frightening possibility, each deadly agent. It reminded me of my Boy Scout days, when theatrical scoutmasters would terrify youngsters with spooky tales around a campfire in the woods." (Losing America; Senator Robert Byrd; 2004; pages 181-182)

February 25, 2003: Secretary of State Colin Powell refuses to include the Niger yellow cake information in his presentation to the United Nations.

March, 2003: According to media analyst Andrew Tyndall, of the 414 stories on Iraq broadcast on the three major television networks – NBC, ABC, and CBS – all but 34 originated at the White House, the Pentagon, or the State Department. All but 34 of 414 stories on Iraq followed the Bush line. Mere coincidence? Not likely. Consultants told their media clients to play up the patriotism. One expert advised his broadcast clients in a ‘war manual’ to ‘get the following production pieces in the studio NOW … Patriotic music that makes you cry, salute, get cold chills! Go for the emotion {Washington Post, March 28, 2003}" (Byrd; page 142)

March 7, 2003: The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) announces that the Niger documents submitted by the United States are crude forgeries. (Wilson; page 452)

March 8, 2003: A State Department spokesperson tells the media that "We fell for it" in regard to the forgeries. Joseph Wilson tells CNN that the US government has "more information on this matter." He later learns that "soon after" this led to a meeting in the Office of Vice President Cheney, apparentlt led by Scooter Libby and Newt Gingrich, in which the WHIG decided to do a "work-up" on Wilson. (Wilson; page 452)

May 6, 2003: Nicholas Kristof has an article in the New York Times that exposes the White House lies on the Niger yellow cake.

May 29, 2003: Scooter "Libby asked an Under Secretary … for information concerning the unnamed ambassador’s travel to Niger to investigate claims about Iraqi efforts to acquire uranium yellowcake. The Under Secretary thereafter directed the State Department’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research to prepare a report concerning the ambassador and his trip." (Libby Indictment; page 4)

June 8, 2003: On Meet the Press, Condi Rice denies knowledge of the Niger lies: "Maybe somebody down in the bowels of the Agency knew about this, but nobody in my circles."

June 9, 2003: "… a number of classified documents from the CIA were faxed to the Office of the Vice President to the personal attention of LIBBY and another person …. The faxed documents, which were marked as classified, discussed, among other things, Wilson and his trip to Niger, but did not mention Wilson by name. … LIBBY and one or more other persons in the Office of the Vice President handwrote the names ‘Wilson’ and ‘Joe Wilson’ on the documents." (Indictment; page 4)

June 10, 2003: Carl Ford, Jr. Sends his report on the Wilson trip to Under Secretary Grossman.

June 11, 2003: "If there were doubts about the underlying intelligence to that National Intelligence Estimate, those doubts were not communicated to the president, the vice president, or to me." Condi Rice at press briefing.

June 11, 2003: A Senior CIA official tells Libby about Valerie Plame. (TIME; 11-7-05; page 34)

June 11 or 12, 2003: Vice President Cheney tells Libby about Valerie Plame. (TIME; 11-7; pae34)

June 11 or 12, 2003: Grossman answers Libby’s questions about Wilson’s trip to Niger. (TIME; 11-7; page 34)

June 14, 2003: Libby’s CIA briefer tells him about Valerie Plame. (TIME; 11-7; page 34)

June 19, 2003: A story in The New Republic "The First Casualty: The Selling of the Iraq War" exposes OVP lies about Iraq. "Shortly after the publication …. Libby spoke by telephone with his then Principal Deputy and discussed the article. The official asked LIBBY whether information about Wilson’s trip could be shared with the press …. LIBBY responded that there would be complications at the CIA in disclosing that information publicly, and that he could not discuss the matter on a non-secure telephone line." (Indictment; page 6)

June/July, 2003: "In or about June or July 2003, and in no case later than on or about July 8, 2003, LIBBY was advised by the Assistant to the Vice President for Public Affairs that Wilson’s wife worked for the CIA." (Indictment; page 13)

July 6, 2003: Joseph Wilson’s op-ed was published in the New York Times; he also appeared on Meet the Press.

July 7, 2003: Libby has lunch with Ari Fleischer. Libby tells him that it is "not well known" that Plame works for the CIA and played a role in sending Wilson to Niger. TIME called this "an invitation to Fleischer to leak it to a friendly reporter." (TIME; 11-7-05; page 37)

July 7, 2003: The State document is sent to Colin Powell on AF1 on a trip to Africa. Other White House officials are seen reading it openly. (TIME; 7-25-05)

July 8, 2003: Libby asks the Counsel to the OVP about paperwork regarding if a CIA employee’s spouse went on a trip. (Indictment; page 13)

July 8, 2003: {1} Rove speaks to Robert Novak, who plans to write about Plame; {2} Robert Novak tells a complete stranger on a Washington DC street about Plame; {3} Libby tells Judith Miller about Valerie Plame. (TIME; 11-7; and Wilson; 2004)

July 10, 2003: Rove talks to Libby about Novak’s plan to write about Plame. (Indictment)

July 10, 2003: Libby calls Tim Russert to complain about MSNBC’s Chris Matthews’ reporting in the war. (Hubris; Isikoff & Corn; 2006; pages 265-267)

July 11, 2003: Rove talks to Matt Cooper about Plame. (TIME; 11-7-05)

July 12, 2003: On AF2, Libby speaks with VP Cheney and Cathy Martin about how to deal with the media regarding the Wilson issue. Later that day, Libby tells both Matt Cooper and Judith Miller about Plame. (TIME; 11-7-05; Indictment; and Hubris)

July 14, 2003: Robert Novak’s column exposes Valerie Plame.

July 16, 2003: David Corn writes that the exposing of Plame may be criminal. (A white House Smear; The Nation)

July 20, 2003: NBC’s Andrea Mitchell tells Wilson that the White House is coordinating a campaign to smear him and his wife. (Wilson; page 453)

July 21, 2003: Chris Matthews calls Wilson to tell him about a phone call from Karl Rove, in which rove said, "Wilson’s wife is fair game." (Wilson; page 453)

September 29, 2003: The Department of Justice begins investigating.

September 29, 2003: Mike Allen and Dana Priest report that the White House had called at least six top journalists with information on Plame. (Washington Post)

October 14, 2003: Libby is interviewed by the FBI.

November 26, 2003: Libby is again interviewed by the FBI.

December 5, 2003: A senior White House official says, "We have rolled the earthmovers in over this one" in regard to the cover-up in the Plame case. (Financial Times; James Harding)

December 30, 2003: John Ashcroft recuses himself from the Plame investigation. James Comey assigns Patrick Fitzgerald.

January 21, 2004: TIME reports that a federal grand jury has begun investigating the Plame scandal.

February 5, 2004: UPI’s Richard Sale reports that two people in the OVP are suspects in the case.

March 5, 2004: Tom Brune reports the grand jury has issued subpoenas for AF1 phone logs from July 7-12, and for all WHIG records from July 6-30.

March 5, 2004: Libby testifies in front of the grand jury.

March 24, 2004: Libby again testifies.

October 28, 2005: The grand jury indicts Libby.

This is not a complete record of the scandal. I encourage readers to fill in the blanks.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 12:07 PM
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1. Much Needed Reminder Of The Long Series Of Events
Fabulous
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 12:15 PM
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3. I'm hoping
that it gives DUers something of interest to read through until some news reports start coming out from the jury selection.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 12:12 PM
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2. Rove Testifies Before Grand Jury
1st time - Oct. 15th 2004

5th time - April 2006
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 12:16 PM
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4. It's a long, hard slog to eventually allow justice to prevail in our Great Nation.
I believe it will.

Thanks for the timeline H2O Man.

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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 12:20 PM
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5. Great timeline, H2O- how about the date of the comment when Bush
Edited on Sun Jan-21-07 12:23 PM by Olney Blue
said that he would "fire anyone in his WH involved in the leak."

K and R.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 12:25 PM
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7. June 10, 2004:
DUers will recall that at the conclusion of a G-8 summit, at a press conference in Sea Island, Ga., a journalist asked Bushif he stood by his pledge to fire anyone involved in the leak? Bush answered, "Yes."
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 12:27 PM
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9. I guess the Decider decided against it.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 12:27 PM
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8. I don't think he ever said that
I think he said, "they would be taken care of". Correct me if my memory is faulty H2OMan
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 12:48 PM
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14. TIME 7-25-05
Direct quote from page 29.
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 12:21 PM
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6. One more invaluable H20 Man Thread to be KNR's and
bookmarked!

:kick:
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 12:28 PM
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10.  I hear Carly Simon singing in my head when I read your posts
Edited on Sun Jan-21-07 12:29 PM by Sydnie
"Nobody does it better".

Thanks H2O Man.
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 12:33 PM
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July 6, 2005 Judy Miller
is sent to jail for refusal to answer questions before the Grand Jury. Shortly before her release she recieves the infamous aspens are turning and held together by their roots tortured prose on a note from Libby himself. Fitzgerald asked Miller about the meaning of the note upon Judy Judas's conditional release from jail. Miller had written the bogus stories on the front page of the NYT's about WMD.


Side note the neocons PNAC has now folded into the AEI or American Enterprise Institute. They were located in the same building in DC.

Excellent H20 Man, Thank you.:applause:

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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 12:33 PM
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11. Novak told some STRANGER
on the street about Plame? Is he insane or could it be that he thought Plame CIA identity was not confidential?

And, I didn't know that Ambassador Wilson had been to Niger TWICE to dig up the same information on yellow cake. No wonder they sent him the second time as he had already served well in that role previously for the CIA.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 12:36 PM
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12. Bravo!
Damn fine job, sir!
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 12:44 PM
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13. Fascinating ... Thanks, H20 Man. n/t
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 01:04 PM
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15. More Fun Facts
!st week of June 2003 – Cheney tells Bush that Wison’s wife is in the CIA and she is responsible for sending him to Niger.

1st week June 2003 - Walter Pincus asks the CIA about Plame, he then contacts OVP about the trip to Niger

June 6, 2003 - Libby meets with Armitage supposedly to talk about Pakistan

http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Plame_Leak_timeline
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 01:13 PM
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16. You really ought to provide links to your Threads #1 and #2 nt
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 01:22 PM
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17. Here's The Links
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 06:54 PM
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31. Thank you.
They can also be located on my DU journal. Also, thanks to the Plame Threads Team, they can be found along with a wealth of information in the DU Research Forum.

The Democratic Underground is THE place to be for the best Plame scandal discussions, anywhere.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 02:19 PM
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18. GREAT Timeline.
Just about everything relating to this Iraq war originated out of the OVP. You know what really burns me? Everyone always says the intelligence was cooked or "massaged" or inaccurate. But no one specifies that the bad intelligence referenced came straight from hand-picked analysts out of Rumsfeld's/Cheney's secret intelligence group, NOT FROM THE CIA.

Tenet knew there was no uranium in Niger. Bush knew there was no yellowcake. Analysts at the CIA were floored when the administration started making these claims all over the place. Tenet personally gave Bush the PDB. Tenet and Powell, at the CIA and State dept. respectively, had a good working relationship. That is why Powell removed the yellowcake reference from his speech to the UN.

Oh, and Powell's speech? The original draft, including such gems as yellowcake from Niger and a meeting on M. Atta's behalf with Iraqi intelligence in Prague (that never happened because Atta was in FLORIDA at the time), was written by none other than our precious Scooter Libby.

Let's be real. Tenet fell on his sword like a good soldier and so did Powell. They knew this was a farce. They knew there was no evidence to support an Iraq invasion. Bob Graham pointed out that there was not even an NIE available for Senators to view on Iraq. We have NIE's on just about every country on this planet, even for Afghanistan. But strangely we didn't have one for Iraq. So the CIA is asked to produce a NIE for Iraq before Senators vote on authorizing war against Iraq.

What normally takes months to years to develop was done in a matter of two weeks. The analysts and others at the CIA tell of numerous visits (over 10) Cheney made to the CIA during this time period. What was he doing there? Cheney also (in another unprecedented move) gave Scooter the highest security clearance.

Why did Scooter need such a high security clearance? What classified information did he obtain?

People don't realize that Pat Fitzgerald, very quietly and methodically is filling in the gaping holes regarding activity in the OVP. This is where the war with Iraq was developed, implemented, promoted, and sold. The information Fitzgerald obtains will take us to the doorstep of Dick Cheney. I really hope Congress has the guts to do what is right after all is said and done.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 05:21 PM
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27. yes, it is MOST excellent
is anyone posting these threads in the Research Forum?
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 09:33 PM
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62. Answer to your question in #31
31. Thank you.
They can also be located on my DU journal. Also, thanks to the Plame Threads Team, they can be found along with a wealth of information in the DU Research Forum.

The Democratic Underground is THE place to be for the best Plame scandal discussions, anywhere.

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 02:47 PM
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50. Didn't Iraq already have yellow cake?
Seems I heard it was left over from before the 1st Gulf war and was under UN watch. Iraq just didn't have a way to refine it further and also would have no cause to seek more.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 08:12 PM
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58. Yes.
They did.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 02:28 PM
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19. Recommended. (And a personal comment)
It may seem inappropriate to share a personal email on this thread. I'd like to do so as it may bring just the slightest bit of optimism. We can use all we can get. I've been wanting to see this timeline. And when you posted it, I emailed it off to my dad. I saw him last week, and it appears he doesn't have long to live. I saw an old man where I just saw my father two years ago. But even so, he pays attention. He cares. I believe he is one of the few men on this planet who are truly wise and compassionate.

Hi Gregg,

Mom and I both appreciated the submission by H2Oman. Wonderful compilation of the continuing lies. This gang DEPENDS on the short memory of the people. That's how they can say one thing last month and the opposite now. Refreshing that there are "Watchers" who record this stuff. I understand that Congressman Webb, who will deliver the rebuttal to the coming Bush lies on Tuesday nite, is going to use the long list of lies to nail Bush.

I thot it was neat that H2Oman quoted one of my favorite biblical passages, pieces of which you and I have discussed. Years ago, a friend gave me the following, which I have saved and read repeatedly to put things in perspective:

Time is all we have. We each choose different tools to build our lives, but surely the Good Life is
nourished and replenished by time spent contemplating beauty, the landscape, ideas, dreams;
enjoying children, friendship, sex; working for what we believe in.

Time-pressured lives are competent and productive. But they don't foster satisfaction; only more
work, requiring more dutifulness. If we can stop being drudges, if we can run our own lives, we will
accomplish a great deal. And should we fail to accomplish a great deal, perhaps we won't even
care. For untimately, time isn't money or status; time is life itself.

Love, dad
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 03:00 PM
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20. Thank you
for e-mailing it to your father, and for sharing this with us.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 08:11 PM
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57. dude
you are getting too famous for words :)

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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 04:14 PM
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24. Gregorian, I must say.... you have a world-class Dad!
:loveya:
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 08:01 PM
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54. You have a wonderful father
Thank you for sharing this email with us
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 09:36 PM
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63. Would that I had a Dad who spoke like that!
My best to you and your dad, and mother, also.

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 03:09 PM
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21. Thanks H2O Man
:hi:


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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 03:21 PM
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22. Its our very own play bill to review as the story unfolds in the
court room.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 03:24 PM
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23. Speaking to the 'short term memory' issue upthread
by Gregorian, I have, with your gracious permission, posted this chronology and your other two recent Plame Threads as well as "The Waterman Paper" you so often refer to in the Research Forum. (See CIA Leak in the Research Forum Index: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_oet&address=358x192)

Enjoy everyone! Add to as needed as the Research Forum is for everyone.

And many thanks to you H2O Man for the time and energy you have put into each of your essays! Each one is an immensely valuable resource for information, containing links and book suggestions for further investigation.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 04:37 PM
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25. Terrific Idea
Following in your footsteps I have posted the link to 18 of the original Plame threads there also in addition to several other of the early Plame threads. And after a certain amount of sturm and drang, I believe the links now work.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 04:55 PM
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26. Great!
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 08:04 PM
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55. Thank you!
The Research forum is a great place to have all this wonderful information!
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 09:22 PM
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61. Your welcome! n/t
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 05:43 PM
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28. kick for a most excellent chronology
:kick:

p.s. - I 'm still waiting on my tee shirt!!! :)
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 06:24 PM
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30. Thank you ....
Our Al Haig tee shirt is mighty popular:

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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 06:14 PM
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29. For my 9999th post: K&R for the Plameologists, as we await
the trial that may in fact be the signal event that the Constitution and our nation of laws is stronger than this cabal of anti-democratic, un-American criminals who have tried to undo more than 200 years of progress.

:thumbsup:
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 07:20 PM
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32. K & R & bookmarked.
Makes me want to scan through a lot of my old bookmarks to fill in some of those blanks. Nice work!

:kick:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 07:23 PM
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33. Please do!
We are going to have an interesting week, RP.
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 11:12 PM
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34. K/R and emailed to various scum sucking repubs
Thanks again H20 Man
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 09:38 PM
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64. The beginning of an "I told you so" week, eh?
:toast:
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 12:11 AM
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35. Opening Statements
<<<snip>>>
“The theme and theory that Libby's lawyers use in opening argument will be continued throughout the trial. They will re-introduce it when cross-examining the government's witnesses — and when questioning their own witnesses, including Libby. They will raise it again in closing arguments.

The goal is to show tell Libby's story from a positive point of view. They will accept the "facts beyond change" — such as those which unequivocally demonstrate that Libby spoke to Tim Russert, Matthew Cooper and Judy Miller and his statements to investigators and the grand jury. They will weave their defense around these facts, since they can't change them.

Libby's lawyers will present an alternative to the prosecution theory that is both consistent and integrated. They will use "quotables" — phrases that stick in the listener's memory. And they will take advantage of anticipated jury instructions that work in their favor.

There is debate among trial experts as to whether the opening or the closing argument is most important. Are jurors more influenced by what they hear first or what they hear last — primacy or recency? At least one study found that 75% of the time, the final result in a trial is the same as the tentative conclusion held at the end of opening statement.

Given the facts of this case as we've come to know them, this is a tall order for Libby's lawyers.”

www.firedoglake.com/2007/01/21/libby-trial-out-of-the-starting-gate/#more-6731
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 07:27 AM
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36. Last Day For Jury Selection?
Hopefully
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 07:48 AM
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37. It might be.
I think that it is very likely that they will get enough people today, to get things on track. It would be wonderful, timing-wise, if the opening statements were to begin at a time when Mr. Fitzgerald's would be in the news .... competing with the State of the Union address.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 08:40 AM
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38. Sweet
"Let It Be"
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La_Fourmi_Rouge Donating Member (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 09:51 AM
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39. Heads Up!
Over at firedoglake one can find some very good, detailed discussions of the case, and thenexthurrah, I believe has someone blogging LIVE from within the courthouse. Imagine that - it's the next best thing to a videocam in the courtroom!

Expect the MSM coverage to be the usual lightweirht pap - I keep coming back to DU for the meatier discussions and first-rate research...

H2Oman, what's your take on the possibility of Cheney being exposed to a perjury or obstruction charge?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 10:01 AM
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40. Regarding Cheney .....
It's important to look at Mr. Libby's situation, I think, as a model.

First Libby spoke to investigators, then he testified in front of the grand jury. In the first case, he was not "under oath"; the second time, he was "under oath." He was charged for lying in both situations, and the charges and potential penalty are pretty much the same.

I focused on the "under oath" part, because a number of DUers have expressed a belief that Cheney's being under oath in the Libby trial creates a more significant circumstance than simply lying to those who questioned him during the investigation.

Now, Cheney was not "under oath" when he lied to Mr. Fitzgerald and Mr. Eckenrode, when they questioned him as part of the investigation. He will now be testifying 'under oath." I anticipate that he will continue to lie. And I think that there is a good chance that his continued lying in the context of a criminal trial of national significance will indeed catch up to him.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 10:14 AM
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41. What I Find Interesting Also
Is that Cheney told * about Plame, the whole set-up was always in that office.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 10:26 AM
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42. "Get the facts out."
I think it is worth considering the implications, all things considered.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 10:29 AM
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43. Marty Kaplan: We, the Libby Jury
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marty-kaplan/we-the-libby-jury_b_38967.html

>>
Q: Do you have feelings or opinions about the Bush Administration or any of its policies or actions, whether positive or negative, that might affect your ability to give a former member of the Bush Administration a fair trial?

A: You mean, feelings like, it really pisses me off that they broke the law by wiretapping without FISA warrants, and then attacked the reporters who told us about it, and said Democrats were wussy traitors for opposing it, and now Gonzales is flip-flopping because Senate Democrats finally have subpoena power - you mean feelings like that?
>>
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 08:10 PM
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56. Thank you for all your insight into this Investigation
You make it so easy to connect all the dots for us!


K&R
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La_Fourmi_Rouge Donating Member (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 10:56 AM
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44. 36 jurors seated!
The court will break for an hour before getting on with the striking process.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 11:11 AM
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45. Beauty.
Sounds good.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 11:41 AM
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46. Perhaps Cheney is biding his time until he "develops" serious health issues.
Edited on Mon Jan-22-07 11:42 AM by Straight Shooter
Can't be dragging a sick old man into court, now, can we? Cheney resigns to spend more time with his wallet. Then bush can appoint Craven McCain as VP. McCain's very recent denigration of General Casey is right in line with the bush toady SOP.

Also note Cheney's poor recollection of meeting Edwards. Two-pronged agenda: 1) dissing Edwards; 2) evidence of faulty memory.

Link to Boston Globe article on Craven McCain: http://tinyurl.com/2fcbfp

"Republican U.S. Sen. John McCain on Sunday said he might vote against Gen. George W. Casey's nomination as Army chief of staff, saying he had "serious concerns" about the man who has overseen the Iraq war since 2004.

"I have very serious concerns about General Casey's nomination," McCain said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

"I'm concerned about failed leadership, the message that sends to the rest of the military," he added.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 01:01 PM
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47. MSNBC: Libby trial enters final phase of jury selection; Opening arguments to begin tomorrow
MSNBC: Libby trial enters final phase of jury selection; Opening arguments to begin tomorrow

David Edwards
Published: Monday January 22, 2007

According to MSNBC's David Shuster, "We have now entered the final phase of jury selection" for the perjury trial of former White House aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, and opening arguments will begin tomorrow.

"They have reached the magic number jurors necessary to withstand the number of strikes that will come from the prosecution and defense," Shuster reported. "The court is in recess right now."

Shuster continued, "What they are doing is that they got thirty-seven jurors in the pool that are now undergoing a criminal background check. And then, assuming everything checks out this afternoon, at three today the defense attorneys and the prosecution, they're going to come back with their strike list."

"The defense is allowed twelve peremptory challenges, the prosecution is allowed eight," Shuster added. "They may have similar strikes but, in any case, after they've gone through the strikes, the first twelve jurors that are left, they will comprise the jury; the next four will comprise the alternates."

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/MSNBC_Libby_trial_enters_final_phase_0122.html
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 01:22 PM
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48. This is going to be
a strange 20 hours for Scooter. He will feel more alone than he ever has in his life.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:09 PM
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51. H2O Man -- can we expect anything once the jury is selected
I've seen many cases, that once a jury is selected, and it is obvious the case is going to trial, a deal is struck.

Any chance of this? Or do you think the trial will proceed.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:44 PM
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53. I have been
speaking to a friend who is interested in the case, and had mentioned that this is a time of stress for any defendant .... and especially so for a "guilty as hell" one. Nothing would surprise me now.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 02:50 AM
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75. Jurors selected. My top three:
  • A hotel sales manager who said Vice President Cheney seemed like a “slightly cold man.” She didn’t know much about the case except for the name of the defendant. She testified, “You don’t forget a name like Scooter.” This woman also said she reads a lot of “celebrity magazines” but “no news magazines.” She added, “I am the master of all things pop culture, but don’t know anything about current events.”


  • A former reporter for the Washington Post who worked for Bob Woodward in the mid 1980’s. Until six months ago, he shared an alley with Tim Russert, another witness in the case. He is also friends with Washington Post reporter Walter Pincus, who wrote an article that may be introduced as evidence in the case. The former reporter said his approach to issues of “credibility” is that “you don’t take anybody’s word for anything until you get the facts.” The man was an articulate and fairly colorful figure... He was asked if he had ever been arrested and replied, “In 1970 or 1971 during a May Day (peace) parade.” Asked if he had any bad feelings about that episode, he replied, “Well, the guy next to me took my food.” The man talked repeatedly about his career as a journalist and his desire to “get things right” and seek out “the truth.”


  • An older man who works as a Web architect for a federal contractor at the General Service Administration. His wife works as a defense lawyer. He remembered the basics of the CIA leak case and said he remembered “Mr. Wilson had some comments that were unflattering (about the administration). He seemed really upset.” He expressed great respect for the justice system and said the trial “is a very important undertaking. Whatever I do must be as unbiased as possible.”
http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/01/22/38403.aspx

I hope Libby rats out Cheney. I think this group of citizens will nail him. I can't wait for Fitzgerald's opening argument!
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 01:26 PM
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49. I'll kick that. - n/t
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:40 PM
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52. 2nd That n/t
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kohodog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 08:22 PM
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59. An interesting jury to be sure.
Personally I like the retired teacher who said of Cheney, " I wouldn't go hunting with him." And then there's the guy who worked with Woodward and Russert at some point. Too bad this isn't going to be televised. If it was somehow I know I'd catch the flu!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 08:32 PM
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60. There are some
pretty interesting blogs covering the trial. I like David Shuster's the best. Some of the responses seem like they could be DUers .....

http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/01/22/38117.aspx#comments
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kohodog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 09:54 PM
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65. yes, it is an interesting blog
especially the 4th response :)
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 10:16 PM
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68. I like that 4th response!
;-)
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 09:59 PM
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66. Great, now I have an earworm (turn, turn, turn). Question for you...
Either you haven't said, or my memory is really shot.... what do you think of the possibility that the attack on the Wilson's was not revenge, but to cover up what was happening with movement of WMDs?

I'm just curious. I haven't studied this, obviously, but it does sound like a possibility to me.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 10:04 PM
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67. I think that
there were people in OSP who wanted to derail the work that Valerie Plame was doing, because they had an agenda that extended far beyond Iraq, and they recognized that what she was involved in posed a threat to their grand plans. Years ago, in response to a very similar question to the one you pose here, I wrote about a section of Joseph Wilson's book, where he described how after reading Novak's column, Valerie got on the phone to call specific people to warn them about her being exposed. Those phone calls were what some in the OVP/OSP were targeting.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 10:50 PM
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69. Do you think the story will ever come out? n/t
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 11:01 PM
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71. To an extent,
the book "Hubris" gave a pretty clear description of what her work involved. But there will not be a public "damage assessment" that details the harm done to parts of the intelligence community, and to the country.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 11:03 PM
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72. Thanks, I'll have to read it
I'm in the middle of about three books right now. I'll add "Hubris" to my reading list.

Thanks.
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La_Fourmi_Rouge Donating Member (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 11:30 PM
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73. Judge Walton has seen the damage assessment, IIRC.
I seem to remember a discussion about this in the Plame Threads a couple years ago..

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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 10:54 PM
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70. To Quote Jackie Gleason
And away we go, right to the moon "Scooter"
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 11:54 PM
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74. Thanks for the Timeline H20man.....as the trial gets going it's
helpful to have this for reference. I hope we are going to get more reporting on this than David Schuster on MSNBC, though. Schuster has been good but with so many Media as possible witnesses it seems they are really downplaying it all.

I had hoped for reporters outside the courthouse following Fitz every day...but alas...it's not like the Ken Starr witch hunt. Even though the MSM could have made it like that if they wanted to. :-(
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 07:33 AM
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76. I think you will
enjoy the coverage as we get deeper into the trial. As others have noted, there is some very high-quality blogging available to us, including that being provided by the folks at FireDogLake.

I enjoy the coverage on MSNBC. I think that most DUers respect David Shuster. And I expect that there is going to be some interesting analysis on both Hardball and Countdown in the next few weeks.

It's interesting to speculate if some of the journalists who were contacted by the administration officials -- and I mean those other than Rove, Libby, and Armitage -- in the four days immediately following Novak's infamous column, will be speaking out honestly about what they know.
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