The torture debate is driving the conservatives crazy!

[Joanne98]

They're losing their minds...

KEEP IT UP!

:fistbump:

[Bluerthanblue]

1. that's the nature of torture- it destroys the doer and

the victim.


Selling your soul for what??? the illusion of security???

[Cary]

2. Lizard brains are minds? n/t

[jeff30997]

3. I don't get it.

How can someone that is already insane can become crazy ?

[Hansel]

4. They get better 1st?

[peace frog]

5. They're already crazy but

anything that pushes them over the edge into sputtering, blithering apoplexy is fine by me.

Next up: more torture photos! Sure to accomplish more exploding wingnut heads. And the hits just keep on comin'.

[BeFree]

6. If they weren't already crazy

They'd be demanding Justice just like us.

[Kerrytravelers]

7. So... in a way... they're now torturing themselves?

How appropriate for them.

[Joanne98]

8. LOL

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

9. I'm sure it is. And there is NO WAY the genie gets shoved back in the bottle. nt

[TWiley]

10. Why not torture a few Republicans? Lord knows they need it.

[lunatica]

11. I suspect we'll hear crickets when the photos come out

THey'll be shocked! SHOCKED! They'll claim ignorance, being duped and lied to and OH! LOOK OVER THERE! OBAMA'S DOG IS A COMMIE!

[misanthrope]

12. No, what you'll hear is a White House full of DINOs...

...telling you to shut and sit down like a good little vassal. The rule of law is for peons like us.

[The Magistrate]

16. So In Your View, Sir, President Obama And His Administration Are Not Really Democrats?

You would then consider the only 'real' Democrats are those who do not approve of President Obama and his administration?

"I stepped up on the platform. The man gave me the news. He said, 'You must be joking, son! Where did you get those shoes?'"

[misanthrope]

17. No, in my opinion "real" Democrats...

...Don't force blue collar workers into concessions to keep their jobs while allowing Wall St. raiders to slop unhindered at the trough.

They also don't play semantics games with the idea of "enemy combatants," a vestige of monarchy.

They don't become cozy with the rampant transgressions of civil liberties via the Patriot Act, warrantless wiretapping and the War on Drugs.

They don't ridicule a large contingent of Americans -- citizens who backed Obama with fervor in the last election -- who pose legitimate economic and legal policy questions.

They don't believe that forcing the citizenry to become customers for insurance companies is an answer to healthcare problems.

They don't perpetuate antiquated beliefs based in superstition that homosexuals are "lesser."

They believe that defense of the Constitution is utmost, that our system of jurisprudence hinges on precedent and that foregoing such sets a perilous course for this nation.

[The Magistrate]

18. So, Then, Sir, You Do Claim President Obama And His Administration Are Not 'Real' Democrats

And press on to assert 'real' Democrats are not only opposed to, but opposed by, President Obama and his administration.

And yet all available data seems to indicate President Obama and his administration are approved of by something like nine in ten of all persons identifying themselves as Democrats in the country.

You would maintain, then, that those nine in ten of persons identifying themselves as Democrats are not 'real' Democrats either?

"People have a right to say what they please, but not to expect it will be taken seriously."

[misanthrope]

19. We know the spiel about "lies, damn lies and statistics"...

...Polls often aren't worth the weight of the paper upon which they are printed.

Preference of the Obama Administration to the previous one, or to Sen. McPOW and Caribou Barbie, doesn't amount to much. "Would you rather eat feces or merely sit in it?" There are a wide variety of variables and factors that can influence answers to pollsters and there's normally not room for much nuance.

I endangered my job by throwing my support behind Obama. I knew he wasn't what I would have ideally wanted, but the thought of McCain/Palin ascending to the White House was too much to bear. Regardless of how he has disappointed me in a number of regards in a very short time, I still want to see the guy do well.

But I have also realized that being progressive and being a Democrat are two entirely different things yet there are such limited choices in this nation, it doesn't bode well for wresting power from the corporatocracy.

[The Magistrate]

20. Then To Be Precise And Accurate, Sir

What you are saying is that President Obama and his administration, and the great preponderance of registered Democrats, are not Progressives of the same stripe as you. That is a statement which would give no occasion for quarrel between us, at least for my part. But it is a far cry from your opening move that we would see 'a White Housde full of DINOs'....

[misanthrope]

21. I would dare to say,...

...were we to break down their stances on a variety of topics, a lot of them wouldn't amount to progressives of any stripe. This nation has swung so far to the right that moderate stances embracing the status quo are easily labeled "liberal."

[Creena]

22. Or, they'll say we're giving away our secrets.

Like, it's okay to continue torturing. Taken from my neighbor's Twitter page: "Its always a good game plan to not only give the enemy written transcript of your plans but lets give them pictures too! Obama is an idiot." Lovely people, aren't they?

[IDemo]

13. There should be no debate whatsoever about torture

The fact that the Rimbaughs and InsHannity's have been allowed to suggest torture works and is legal means they
have done what the RWackos do very well: create an issue or debate using bs building blocks and doing so with the
full cooperation of the MSM and the Whack Wing politicians.

[applegrove]

14. It is driving us all batty. It is so depressing.

[ProgressIn2008]

15. I don't care what conservatives think or don't think about it. It's more impt than that. nt