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Stuart G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-23-09 08:07 AM Original message |
The Torture Apologists are doomed..Amendment 8 U.S. Constitution |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-23-09 08:14 AM Response to Original message |
1. Does the US constitution apply to non-US citizens? n/t |
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Stuart G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-23-09 08:16 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. The arguement could go this way..it isn't against who, it is |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-23-09 08:21 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. But aren't 'your' charges that the perpetrators commited 'unusual punishment' under the 8th amend.? |
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Mr. Blonde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-23-09 08:29 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. But the protection is for those who are tortured |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-23-09 11:00 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. It says nothing about protection. |
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Winterblues (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-23-09 10:30 AM Response to Reply #1 |
9. Does it say it only applies to citizens? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-23-09 09:38 PM Response to Reply #1 |
17. Yes. both by treaty, which becomes US Law |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-23-09 11:32 PM Response to Reply #1 |
20. Common misperception. The Constitution applies to the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. |
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rbixby (716 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-24-09 12:44 PM Response to Reply #1 |
21. I believe its clear in the text |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-23-09 08:19 AM Response to Original message |
3. I can see Scalia |
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Believing Is Art (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-23-09 08:36 AM Response to Original message |
6. One caveat not mentioned yet |
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Stuart G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-23-09 10:24 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. While torture wasn't used as punishment..it it killed and it will be hard |
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Believing Is Art (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-23-09 01:52 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. But can it be proven that death was intentional? |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-23-09 02:06 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Did those inflicting torture know that what they were doing could lead to death? |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-23-09 04:28 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. You may even be right about "cruel and unusual" |
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Believing Is Art (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-23-09 09:37 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. I can't disagree with using it in a lay argument |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-23-09 04:26 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. But the fact that people died from such treatment... |
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bullimiami (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-23-09 08:46 AM Response to Original message |
7. its not the constitution, the laws or the treaties that are the problem. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-23-09 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
13. Except that it wasn't being used as punishment. |
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Believing Is Art (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-23-09 09:39 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. I think you're right |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-23-09 10:59 PM Response to Original message |
19. "Laws! We know what they are and what they are worth! Spider webs for the rich and powerful, |
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ItNerd4life (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-24-09 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
22. The constitution is for US citizens, |
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