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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 09:16 PM
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How to score some fast cash... off of Bush supporters.
This past week, I think I found a new and lucrative hobby...

"Fleecing Republicans" (I mean, aside from notable exceptions, most of them are sheep anyhow.)

Earlier this week I was visiting with one of my clients who is a very sweet Liberal Democrat lady and a personal friend. Her oldest son was there. I consider him a very decent, intelligent individual, but he is, inexplicably, a Bush-bot and dittohead. He also has a great deal of pride and some actual integrity.

For the sake of decorum, I try not to talk about anything political around him.

But this time I was talking to Mary (my client) while he was there, and as usual she and I got into the subject of the administration. At some point I mentioned how there was no longer any doubt that the administration compromised our national security.

From the other room he perked up with an incredulous expression, "Really? How so?"

I said that it was now an historical fact that when Valerie Plame was outed by the administration, her covert work as a counter-proliferation agent was ended and we lost a good portion of our intelligence gathering apparatus.

I'll bet everyone here can guess what he said next...

It went something like; ‘She had a desk job. The only thing compromised was the filing.’ There was more, of course, about democrats making up the issue and something about limelight and such, but I decided I was just going to cut straight to the chase;

"Fifty bucks.", I was almost giddy. :D

"A bet?", He asked.

"If I can get you proof that Valerie Plame was a Non-Official Cover operative and her covert status was compromised when her name was leaked, you owe me $50."

Now I know how unfair that was considering that Rush and Fox News deliberately 'leave out' important tidbits of information, like say... facts and such, but I truly believe if you want to wake people up, you hit them in the wallet.

So of course he said; ‘Ok, I'll give you 'till the end of the week, then you can pay me the fifty.’

So Friday I went and found Scooter's indictment. It is a very legal document that clearly states; "Joseph Wilson was married to Valerie Plame Wilson ("Valerie Wilson"). At all relevant times from January 1, 2002 though July 14, 2003, Valerie Wilson was employed by the CIA, and her employment status was classified. Prior to July 14, 2003, Valerie Wilson's affiliation with the CIA was not common knowledge outside the intelligence community."
http://news.lp.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/plame/uslibby102805ind3.html

The transcript of Valerie Plame confirming, under oath, that she was a covert operative and wherein General Hayden was stated to have confirmed as much;
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/16/hayden-cia-plame-covert/

And, of course, the transcript of Henry Waxman's opening statements approved of by the CIA;
http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0703/16/cnr.02.html

Well, today I took the printed documents and handed them to Art (the son) saying, "Here you go, let me know if you have any questions.", and went and talked to Mary to give him time to review the documents. (I highlighted the pertinent points)

After about fifteen minutes, he came out of the kitchen, handed me a fairly new 50 dollar bill, and said, "If it turns out they were all lying, I get my 50 back." He chuckled. I said 'no problem' and then asked if he wanted to go double or nothing that I could prove a gay male prostitute spent many nights and weekends at the White House.

He gave me a very raised eyebrow and said 'maybe later'.

So I’m sitting and reading DU and I remember the fresh bill in my pocket. I think ‘Hey! I’ll bet a lot of DUers can make a few bucks this way!”

As always, I do not recommend doing this with any strangers, and, as always, I don’t recommend doing anything that might be ‘illegal’ and I fully intend to declare this as income., ;) , but I’m really intrigued and a little excited over the prospect of reducing ignorance and making some money at it too!

Just think of the gold mine over at FR!

Hmmm… there’s this kid at the local video store that buys the GOP line… :think:


:dilemma:
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 09:20 PM
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1. Good work! How 'bout donating that cash to a great liberal candidate?
Dr. E., Republican member of DU...

:D
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 09:29 PM
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6. I may just do that...
...and then tell him where the money went. :evilgrin:
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 09:21 PM
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2. Good thinking.
But, its hard to find a republic who'll actually pay up.
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 09:22 PM
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3. One major problem with the scenario
Edited on Sat Mar-31-07 09:23 PM by Bluzmann57
Most repubs are welchers who won't pay up. Or won't believe actual facts.
Ok ok, two problems. But they tie in together.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 09:25 PM
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4. But some bots are such out of habit & laziness - they still have ethics
Fleece them, take the money and donate it to DEM candidates :evilgrin:
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 09:27 PM
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5. No, I understand....
I know this guy pretty well, and I don't recommend this with just any Bush-bot.

Besides, his mother would have never let him get away with not paying up.

But you're right, by and large most Bush-bots won't believe the Earth is round unless Faux tells them so.

I still think I can get some free rentals off the kid at the video store, in fact I'd bet on it. :)
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 09:33 PM
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8. Right, don't try that with the likes of Orrin Hatch, Newt Gingrich or
....any other republican over the age of 18.
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Phrogman Donating Member (940 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 10:28 PM
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21. Thats exactly what I thought!
Bushbots are mostly very shallow morally and would have some kind of excuse not to pay up. At the least it would be, "I'm not giving my money to a fucking liberal", or some such shit.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 10:45 PM
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24. yeah, they will deny the proof, say its liberal lies from the biased media
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 12:10 PM
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37. "We never shook hands", "I don't recall making a bet with you", etc.
That's what I would expect. Doublethink is a powerful thing.
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noahmijo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 07:12 PM
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46. Oh don't worry we haf vays of making zem pay
::pinky to lips::


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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 09:30 PM
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7. Dr_eldritch, how do I praise you and your ingenuity without sounding like a sycophant?
:D

:yourock: :yourock: :yourock:

Boy, do I need money BAD!.. and I do know a few misinformed Bushistas with extra cash. :think:

I hope you create a DU journal of your "experiment." ;)



:kick:

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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 09:52 PM
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14. Praise away!
LOL!

I might try this once in a while. I must reiterate that I live in a very 'blue' state. I can just imagine stories of liberals doing this. Keep in mind that the terms would have to be explicit and definitely, incontrovertibly provable.

Now that I think of it, I'll be visiting family this summer on The Cape, nearly half of them are Faux News watchers.
I wonder if I can make some cash.

I am definitely going to 'enlighten' the kid at the video store.


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LuckyTheDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 09:36 PM
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9. Here is the scam I want to start
Why not sell Rapture insurance?

Hey, all you good fundamentalists! You know YOU are going to be raptured. But what about your secular relatives? Don't you want them to be financially secure after you have disappeared? For only $50 per month, you can buy a $1 million Rapture insurance policy. It'll make sure your loved ones will have what they need during the post-Rapture chaos!
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 09:43 PM
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11. Whatever happened to that guy who claimed that the Rapture was
going to happen on a near Tuesday?

Of course, he was so sure of it, but wouldn't sign an agreement with his neighbor (the DUer) that his house would go to the DUer that Wednesday ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1745631
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 10:13 PM
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17. OMFG!
That's BRILLIANT!
(I should've thought of that!)

It would have to be 'term' insurance too. Obviously insurance companies won't pay out if there's no actual 'death' involved or body to recover. You'd have to pose as a 'true believer' who just wants to help other 'faithful' Christians take care of their 'unsaved' loved ones. It could also cover any liabilities to their families in case they get 'Raptured' while flying a plane or driving or something. Also, you would want to balance the cost a little more against their perceived chances of 'being Raptured'... maybe more like $7.50 a month, make it seem like a bargain.

Let's see, advertise with a hyperlink to a load of 'Christian' sites so they can 'click to learn more'. Package it beautifully. In the 'terms and conditions', make sure to rule out payment for 'actual death'; "This is supplemental insurance specifically for the purpose of securing financial coverage in the event of Rapture..." (very fine print.) Make sure they set up with monthly auto-pay by credit or debit card.

As for PR, you know you will be heavily interrogated, so whoever the 'CEO' is would have to play it to the bone... just like the Evangelical preachers.

LOL! Now I'm thinking seriously about this. Maybe I'll do a little research for shits and grins.

:evilgrin:
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 12:13 PM
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39. Great idea- but I think they actually want their secular relatives to suffer after
Edited on Sun Apr-01-07 12:13 PM by Marr
the rapture. You know, "Left Behind" and all that.

How about selling rapture insurance for the FUNDAMENTALIST who may be left behind...? There's got to be some doubt in alot of these peoples' minds as to whether or not god will take 'em in. I mean Christ, it seems like they've all got some kinky secret lives going on.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 01:17 PM
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40. There is no doubt. That's the scary part.
I was one of these people when I was still a teen, they really believe this stuff.

I grew out of it after about a year though. I realized the belief was actually a response to the fear of death and a way to sublimate insecurities as arrogance disguised as humility. (seriously)

These people's certainty is tied to their arrogance and fear. If they drop the belief, or have even a sliver of doubt, the self-delusion is shattered and suddenly they realize their insecurity and fears. Their 'belief' transcends any wrong they can do for they are 'permanently saved'.

Their spiritual growth is so very stunted because they made the end run around introspection by clinging desperately to their belief. Letting go of that represents a very long fall for them.
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 01:30 PM
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41. You are so right. My in-laws are in a different, uber-catholic version of this
kind of fundamentalism and they've shown us the literature about this very subject. Basically, their "religious leaders" or whoever is filling their heads with all this bullshit have told them that they must let their unsaved loved ones go. They must try to do whatever it takes to convince us to "see the way" but if we don't comply by the time all the shit goes down, they must right us off as lost to the devil. I kid you not. There was a whole passage about what to do when we come banging on the door in the midst of all the world-ending when we realize the huge mistake we've made. It told them that they must not answer the door because by that time we will have already been possessed by the devil.

Not that we'd be able to knock on the door anyway because supposedly 10 days before the big event the true believers are going to get advance notice and they're supposed to wrap their houses in garbage bags and seal off all the windows and doors. Great. Apparently those being "saved" will no longer have any use for oxygen. I guess they don't need their brains anyway. :eyes:

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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 01:45 PM
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43. Hmm... you're giving me an idea...
If we can get alot of these people to sign up for rapture insurance, and then convince them that Jesus is back... they may all suffocate themselves in their homes/put on their Nikes and drink Kool-Aid/whatever their personal end-time safety protocol is.

We'll all be rich!
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 09:41 PM
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10. I can help him get his $50 back and more. Because it just so happens i have inside access to the
recent sale of the Golden Gate Bridge, and could get him a very good deal.

Have him get in touch, and have his bank info handy.

Sure money maker. There is also the pride of ownership....
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 09:44 PM
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12. Hey, I didn't know you were a Nigerian banker ...
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 10:26 PM
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20. Have you received the one abou the tragic accident...
that left an entire family dead, and you're the sole heir?
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 12:04 PM
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36. nah ...
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Gemini Cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 09:46 PM
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13. I love it
Fleecing the republic party flock fools!

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CrazyOrangeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 10:05 PM
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15. You sir . . .
. . . are a genius.

Boy oh boy, do I know some suckers . . .

(We need a fifty-dollar bill smiley.) ;)
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 10:05 PM
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16. A big K & R ...
... for a great story, masterfully told!

Please remember we po' folk when you're a billionaire, Dr E!
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 10:41 PM
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23. ...
:blush:

-Will do. ;)
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 10:15 PM
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18. Well Done!
Bravo!!!!
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 10:25 PM
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19. This is priceless.
"... I could prove a gay male prostitute spent many nights and weekends at the White House."

Has he no clue about THAT little fiasco? It's amazing how much some people, who know all the talking points, actually DON'T know about their exhalted party.

BTW: As for the Freeps, they live in their Moms' basements, and are unemployed.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 10:40 PM
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22. Right, no $ there...

The Gannon/Guckert story, in my opinion, is absolute, incontrovertible proof that the 'Liberal Media' is a myth. It's been my most recent response to that very spoken sentiment. Someone brings up 'The Liberal Media' (sometimes I'm someone), and I ask them to tell me all about Jeff Gannon.

'Who?'

'Well... if there were such a thing as a 'Liberal Media', 'Jeff Gannon' would be a household name by now.'

But I never did make any bets on it. I think that will change now.

Gannon represents a scandal a full order of magnitude greater than Monica, yet the 'Liberal Media' pretended it wasn't there the way the family pretends not to notice grandpa wore his Depends on the outside of his golf shorts.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 10:47 PM
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25. actually, the tried and true method of making cash off of RWers is the pyramid scheme, lol
those suckers always fall for it
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Ino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 11:05 PM
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26. "maybe later" - ROFL!
He doesn't want to wager you're wrong any more. I can just see him googling that one! Congrats, you've opened a mind :)
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 12:18 AM
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27. If only a crack. eom.
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2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 05:58 AM
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28. Thanks, I have a coworker who is a lot like that woman's son
Decent guy, honest, considerate, but likes to start political discussions based on hate radio propaganda and Fox Noise talking points.

Thanks a lot for these links. I'm going to guide the argument to Plame, then try to scam him into taking the same bet.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 12:01 PM
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35. Be careful how you put it....
"If I can prove The CIA admitted Plame was covert...", or some way that they can't wiggle out of.

The next poster (#29) is correct, these people are practically innoculated against reality. If he's really decent and honest though, you could really wake him up.

I really don't consider it a 'scam' BTW... these people have the same access to this information that you do, but they choose not to seek it out. It's entirely fair to fleece people this way, think of it as an 'ignorance tax'. :D

Remember, this is not so much for the sake of making a quick buck as it is for enlightening folk (well... maybe it's 50/50), so weigh potential conflicts against that.

Good luck and let me know what happens!

:hi:
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2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 08:13 PM
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48. thanks, I'll let you know! (nt)
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 06:10 AM
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29. Most of them won't pay up, though.
That would mean admitting they were wrong.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 01:43 PM
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42. Then your payment is for folks in the room who see them welch
The only way to play "put up or shut up" is to make the bet in front of witnesses. They need to see the truth hammering the lie.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 07:03 AM
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30. Oh bravo!!
Well done! :toast:

And thanks for the tip. I may make use of it.

Julie
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 08:29 AM
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31. Tee hee hee.
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 08:58 AM
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32. my MIL will love this,her oldest daughter my SIL is always feeding
her right wing talking points and she's read enough of our "political" books to throw some back at her, but just the other day she told her she was too radical (she's 78) We asked if a 78 year old woman is too radical what are we ( SO and myself) well we're over the top. My MIL is on a fixed income surely her daughter would love to help don't ya think?:evilgrin:
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bobbie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 10:39 AM
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33. The Dr is IN!
Nice going.
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NovaNardis Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 11:49 AM
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34. HAHAHAHA
And they say conservatives are better with money. :)
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ForeignSpectator Donating Member (970 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 12:11 PM
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38. This is hilarious!
"Just think of the gold mine over at FR!"
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MisterApologist Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 04:54 PM
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44. great work!
haha fantastic story.... i'm gonna send this to a friend of mine :)
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 05:26 PM
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45. Nah... it's not fantastic.
It's just a great way to measure the information gap between the Bush-Bots and the Empiricists.

Welcome to DU.

:hi:
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-01-07 08:58 PM
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47. This kid must be an amateur Dittohead
YOu can be sure of that because he actually paid off. The diehard morons would look at your documentation and still refuse to pay.
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