Sell Out.

[Ripley]

Presidency.

Not new, but under a different brand name.

Why don't they ever go Left?

Americans are so abused and rendered indifferent by their so-called leaders.

Political boards have become gossip columns regurgitating MSM.

Hard questions are disappeared.

Tiny few rule.

Sold.

[The_Commonist]

1. I think you are several chess moves behind.

Seriously...

"Patience, Grasshopper!"

[Ripley]

6. Wait, they smugly say.

A plan is in progress.

While people lose jobs, houses, businesses, money.

The bankers and corrupt corporations STEAL right before our eyes.

But wait.

[The_Commonist]

12. Yes... of course...

I understand your frustration, Lieutenant.

However, politics is about calculus.
Serious, long-term calculus.
Obama has a gun to his head.
If he did what you or I want done today, the trigger would be pulled.
He seems to be a master strategist AND tactician.
He's playing the political calculus game.
Hopefully it will work.
It may not.
Time will tell...

[Ripley]

19. Your post shows how militaristic Americans have become...

Who is holding the gun on his head? Geeze, he's not powerful enough as POTUS to do anything?

What freaking game is he playing?

And give me ONE example of how he is a master strategist AND tactician.

[The_Commonist]

22. Yes, as below, it's mostly metaphoric...

...but not completely.

One example?

He got elected, against rather long odds.

You won't be convinced easily, and I have other things I need to do now.

Good luck!

[Ripley]

24. Huh?

In so many words, you said that if Obama did what "we" wanted he would be killed. So he's playing chess.

No long odds. McCain/Palin was a big fucking joke.

[uppityperson]

52. darn thes

e

dupes anyways

eyeroll

[uppityperson]

53. POTUS does not automatically

control congress.

Congress can, and

does, block the POTUS.

Even with

a majority

it

happens


(edited for style

[ProgressIn2008]

20. I find this "Obama has a gun to his head" argument fascinating. Are you serious?

You sincerely believe we live in a political system so degraded, corrupt and authoritarian that someone will pull a trigger? Perhaps you were speaking metaphorically, though I have seen the argument made literally several times. If you were speaking metaphorically, do disregard the below.

So you think the head of the executive branch is protecting monsters (would-be assassins as well as torturers and war criminals, it would seem) to save his own life? Do you think he has no recourse but to cower in a corner, lest they strike?

You think you live in a country that is so controlled by monsters... and you really believe the answer is to ... wait? For the invisible super secret plan? And hope it will work? That's an adequate response to believing that murderers have so infiltrated the government that anyone who upholds the law will be offed?

Just curious. It truly is a fascinating argument.

[Beam Me Up]

64. Apparently you have no familiarity with deep politics.

Wiki on Deep Politics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_politics

'DEEP POLITICS' is defined as all those political practices and arrangements, deliberate or not, which are usually repressed rather than acknowledged.

A 'DEEP POLITICAL SYSTEM' is defined as one which resorts to decision-making and enforcement procedures outside as well as inside those sanctioned by law and society. -- Peter Dale Scott, PhD

This video might serve as an introduction: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5829118121827327998

[NYC_SKP]

14. But wait.

A plan forever.

Double space, my brain on fire.

Corrupt in flames, my vision shielded.

Rhetoric from basements, poetry betrayed.

Wait no more.

Kucinich.

lol.

[cliffordu]

33. Ass hurts.

From all the typing

So I too

will doublespace

and render vacuuous themes

as insight

Like the OP.

[NYC_SKP]

35. You win.

Much better title. :P

[cliffordu]

36. Thanks, but your actual words worked better. We need some fucking bongo drums

if we're going to keep this up....

:rofl:

[Cali_Democrat]

15. Obama will focus on lost jobs, housing, businesses, and the economy in general

Holder and the DOJ will focus on torturers and appoint special prosecutor to look at possible war crimes.

That is still entirely within the realm of possibility and I encourage you to watch a replay of the Rachel Maddow show on MSNBC and you will see what I'm talking about.


PATIENCE is the key word here.

PATIENCE!!!!

[MrMickeysMom]

29. Captain...

Kirk? Is that YOU?

[leeroysphitz]

67. That's the part that has me most concerned: They stopped even TRYING to hide the corruption

YEARS ago. They no longer care if the American people know we are being screwed or even how badly. They must perceive themselves (they being corrupt politicians who hand out trillion dollar "bailouts" and billion dollar "no-bid" contracts to corporate sponsors.)to be absolutely untouchable.

Our system of campaign finance is nothing more than legalized bribery.

[960]

40. Yes, Kerry is working behind the scenes.

[GeorgeGist]

51. I think you're a pawn ...

in a con game. Seriously.

[FrenchieCat]

2. OK....whatever you say!

:hi:

[Kaleva]

3. Twice as many moderates voted for Obama then did liberals

[Ripley]

8. Who/what is a "moderate"?

Who/what is a liberal?

This board used to be for liberals and progressives not "moderates."

[Kaleva]

13. Just saying Obama knows which side of his bread

is buttered. It isn't the Left side. The vast majority of conservatives vote for the Republican candidate and the vast majority of the liberals who vote, vote for the Democrat candidate. The battle is for the middle.

By my calculations, I could be wrong, if Obama and McCain had split the middle 50/50, McCain would have won the popular vote by a comfortable margin.

[Hannah Bell]

41. no, there's a majority for a progressive agenda - & *neither* conservatives nor libs

like the bank bailout.

everybody gets screwed but the rich.

[Tarheel_Dem]

21. This board is & has always been for "Democrats"...hence the name?

D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T-I-C Underground

And though it may piss off the purists, they are not as they seem to think, solely responsible for the election of Barack Obama. Moderates like myself, and even some Reagan republicans came home for this one. So get over yourself.

[Ripley]

23. Proud Moderate?

Why do yall resort to juvenile name calling? Don't know what "purist" means? Care to explain it?

Oh, and do You think ONLY "Moderates" should be allowed to post here?

[Tarheel_Dem]

30. Nope. The rules established by the admins work just fine for me.

You made a baseless claim that this was a "liberal" board, and I took exception to that claim. This is a Democratic board, and not all democrats describe themselves as "liberal" or "progressive". There are blue dogs, yellow dogs, etc. who post here. If you don't expect to be taken to task for an o.p. that some may disagree with, then perhaps you might consider posting elsewhere? Some of us support this president to the hilt, and resent the extremes of the democratic party piling on, right alongside the GOP.

I think the cumulative effect of constant antagnozing & whining from the liberal wing of the party, and the incessant bashing from the right, will only serve to weaken this president to the point where he can't get a single thing done for the American people.

Some people are claiming that the president ran as a liberal, and that's just not true. That you, or anyone else feels duped, isn't Pres. Obama's fault. There was ample time to get to know him, and his policies, prior to the election. I mean, the damn campaign lasted for two years. Contrary to the false claims made by the opposition party, this president is no socialist, so if you thought he was gonna turn into Dennis Kucinich once he was elected, you didn't do your research.

:edited for spelling

[Ripley]

31. Lets get real.

[Ripley]

34. Are You a Realtor?

Sounds like it. Support the President to the Hilt? You are wrong honey. This board WAS set up as:


Democratic Underground (DU) was founded on Inauguration Day, January 20, 2001, to protest the illegitimate presidency of George W. Bush and to provide a resource for the exchange and dissemination of liberal and progressive ideas. Since then, DU has become one of the premier left-wing websites on the Internet, publishing original content six days a week, and hosting one of the Web's most active left-wing discussion boards.

[Kaleva]

37. It also says "We welcome Democrats of all stripes"

A conservative or moderate Democrat can be here then altough they may have a tough time of it.

[Tarheel_Dem]

73. Then you should have a confab with Skinner? Perhaps you two could

change the rules to suit you. ;-)

[Ripley]

38. So. You design "fail"

How awful it must be to do that.

I never claimed Obama ran as a liberal and I never claimed he changed, except in the eyes of the beyolden.

Straw.

[Tarheel_Dem]

72. See #71. (nt)

wrong post.

[MilesColtrane]

77. "I never claimed he (Obama) changed"

From your OP: "Why don't they ever go Left?"

That implies that Obama is "going" somewhere else that is not-Left, just as calling him a "Sell Out" implies that he has somehow changed his principles or objectives in exchange for something.

Your statements and ideas might be more readily acknowledged if they were consistent from post to post.

[M155Y_A1CH]

43. Quoting DU Admin

"Democratic Underground (DU) was founded on Inauguration Day, January 20, 2001, to protest the illegitimate presidency of George W. Bush and to provide a resource for the exchange and dissemination of liberal and progressive ideas."

and

"We welcome Democrats of all stripes, along with other progressives who will work with us to achieve our shared goals. While the vast majority of our visitors are Democrats, this web site is not affiliated with the Democratic Party, nor do we claim to speak for the party as a whole."

and,

This website exists so our members and guests are assured that there are many others across the country who share their outrage at the unilateral, arrogant, and extreme right-wing approach taken by George W. Bush and his team, the conservative Republicans in Congress, and the five conservative partisans on the Supreme Court. We address the right in harsh terms, and we fully intend to make the word "conservative" absolutely radioactive.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/about.html

[Ripley]

49. So?

[muryan]

80. Whats your point?

[Tarheel_Dem]

71. Not quite sure what your point is. And if only self described "liberals" are welcome here...

then all the Admins have to do is say so. The conservative and moderate Dems will, as most seem to have done anyway, just leave. From your quote:

"We welcome Democrats of all stripes, along with other progressives who will work with us to achieve our shared goals. While the vast majority of our visitors are Democrats, this web site is not affiliated with the Democratic Party, nor do we claim to speak for the party as a whole."

I maintain that this is a "Democratic" board.

[NeedleCast]

60. +1

[sufrommich]

65. +2.

I'm spending less time here and I think others are too.DU is becoming nothing more than constant bashing of Democrats, if I wanted that,I could get it elsewhere.

[cliffordu]

39. What about balls to the wall radicals????

[Ripley]

47. crap

go away

[cliffordu]

48. Why?

[uppityperson]

54. haiku

must post

a reply in the

message too.

fail

[muryan]

79. This forum is for democrats

I'm just not as liberal as some of the people here, few are. Internet forums are a great place to exchange ideas and acquire information that the corporate media finds beneath them. The problem is when they become to isolated and the forum community just feeds itself into a frenzy.

There's a fairly visible split here and I would hope to debate becomes a little more mature for this forums (and others) to maintain itself. Making threads titled "Sell Out" and only reciting a few tired platitudes does nothing but drive a wedge. People who are currently unhappy with the president will agree with, those are fairly pleased with his agenda will disagree. Commence the pointless bitching?

[flvegan]

4. In early!!!

:popcorn:

IBTL

etc

[Flying Dream Blues]

5. If we ignore these posts, won't they go away?

[Ripley]

11. Wow, Einstein Award!

What exactly is my post saying to you that registers as "these posts?"

Should we cleanse thoughts here according to Flying Dream Blues?

Left?

Right?

Choose.

[natrat]

7. anger then resignation then acceptance and sadly work camps,,,yea they are some serious turds

[SemiCharmedQuark]

9. Work camps?

[Peacetrain]

10. okay

[rwheeler31]

16. Nice poem. Now do something.

[kid a]

17. If you would write in complete sentences, instead of like this guy...

you might make sense.

[anigbrowl]

26. +1. I'm not interested enough to decrypt someone's private word hoard.

[NeedleCast]

61. "I"m has happy as a little girl"

Touch my monkey!

[BeFree]

18. Bitch, bitch, bitch

Don't you know we have the best government money can buy?

[Hydra]

25. Well said!

We have the most efficiently bought off gov't ever. People even vote for it!

[Ripley]

27. Brand Name

Perfected.

And they think standing in line did it.

[Hydra]

28. Excellent point

I always thought of it as swallowing the national mythos. You are astute to point out that we are a brand name...no more, no less.

[cliffordu]

32. Bore.

[Ripley]

42. Thanks cliff

ordu.

[cliffordu]

46. ok....Your brevity is better than mine, dam

mit.

:rofl:

[Occam Bandage]

44. ee cummings

if he had followed
politics
and had all
the mental
depth
of a
gnat

[Born_A_Truman]

45. Whoda thunkit

After eight years of Dimson, that anyone would want to be on a democratic message board and actually want to support our democratic president? The HORROR!!

[GeorgeGist]

50. Status: quid pro quo.

[spanone]

55. hiding

[JTFrog]

56. Disappointed.

90 days

Still no pony

Who has time for change?

[dionysus]

57. is that poutrage haiku?

:rofl:

[Freddie Stubbs]

58. "Why don't they ever go Left?" Are you suggesting that Obama is as far to the right as Bush was?

:shrug:

[readmoreoften]

66. Pretty Damn close. But then again if your political compass contains only three points

"Crazy", "DLC", and "Right-Wing Enemy" than I guess Obama seems like an extreme move to the left.

[NeedleCast]

68. Another way to look at this picture

would be to say that anyone who thinks Obama is almost as far to the right as Bush has probably gone so far left they've fallen off the tracks.

[readmoreoften]

75. Well, then everyone at politicalcompass.org has fallen off the tracks.

Even the "campaign promise Obama" is where the UK's Conservative Party was in 1972. Welcome to recent history.

[Boomerang Diddle]

59. Bitterness

Self pity.

Sad.

Pathetic.

Irritating.

Self-imposed miserablism.

I choose a different path.

Hope!

[NeedleCast]

62. Award For.

Most incoherent

Rant I've seen lately

Angry extremists didn't pay attention

Sorry

Random words go here.

[DS1]

63. Merely posting a . in the subject line would in no way express the melancholy

[Bluerthanblue]

69. or not~

sorry Ripley, I won't join you just yet.

There's enough negative energy in this world already.

[cali]

70. Idiot. nothing new.

[oxygen destroyer]

74. Maybe the president will move left in his second term.

Let's work super-hard to make sure he gets reëlected or else we'll never know what he would of done!

[Liberal_in_LA]

76. kinda like a haiku

[Skip Intro]

78. Well damn. nt

[muryan]

81. This is like the freepers

That think Bush was a liberal pushed on them by the media.