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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 12:40 PM
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CONNECT THE DOTS.......NOW IT’S UP TO US TO DISCERN REALITY.
CONNECT THE DOTS.

Were these stories all just coincidentally timed, or is there a method to the MADNESS? Why did Republican fundraiser Mel Sembler host a fundraiser for Lieberman? The same Mel Sembler who was the head of the Scooter Libby Legal Defense Fund? Is that the same Mel Sembler who was Ambassador to Italy when Michael Ledeen flew to Rome to plant the Niger Yellow Cake forgery?

Yup:

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/4299

Who really controls the news cycle and the “agenda?” Remember this all-important quote, obtained by Reporter Ron Suskind, presumably made by Karl Rove regarding “discernible reality:”

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10.....ssuserland

”We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”

NOW IT’S UP TO US TO DISCERN REALITY.

oh yeah baby:
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/20/jane-harman-stupid-and-reckless-not-the-victim-of-illegal-wiretaps/#comment-148968
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 12:42 PM
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1. The k and the r
Edited on Mon Apr-20-09 12:46 PM by SpiralHawk
... vast beyond America's knowing are the EVIL OCCULT skullduggery of the Republicon Homelander Cabal.

Mel Sembler, Republicon Homelander:
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 12:43 PM
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2. If they could torture people, what else are they capable of?
kpete, is doesn't even matter if what you're saying is true, and you may have hit something here.

The point of it all, is that we simply have no clue, and since they would do something like torture, we simply can't take their word on anything. And it does look incredibly suspicious that this war was based on a forgery.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 12:52 PM
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3. They can also torture children
That's the most heinous crime to emerge from these sick sociopaths!

I swear, some days I believe I have more in common with a citizen of Cuba, Iran, Iraq, or Venezuela, than I do with some of my fellow "Americans."
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 12:58 PM
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5. Jane Harmon
is another reminder of what many here at DU have known all along
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 03:11 PM
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11. Yep
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 12:47 PM
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19. yes - that a number of so-called Dems were working AGAINST us to keep Bush in office past 2004.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 12:55 PM
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4. K&R because 9/11 was LIHOP at a minimum.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 01:28 PM
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6. My reason to K&R precisely.
Thanks for connecting the most inconvenient dot.

:kick:
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 02:12 PM
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8. At minimum.
:thumbsup:
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islandgirl808 Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 03:09 PM
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10. what's LIHOP?
newbie here...what's LIHOP?
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 03:52 PM
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12. google it and also google 'able danger'
Edited on Mon Apr-20-09 03:56 PM by populistdriven
There is lots of good reliable information at wikipedia to get you started

At a minimum lihop and possibly mihop

Note that 2.5 terabytes of able danger info was destroyed b4 911
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 03:54 PM
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13. This is probably the best place to answer that question.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 08:58 AM
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17. let it happen on purpose
MIHOP: made it happen on purpose
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 08:18 AM
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15. 9-11 - LIHOP so BFEE's fascist agenda could advance at full speed....
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 01:54 PM
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7. K&R
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 03:07 PM
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9. Remember...Historian Douglas Brinkley said Kerry was being stabbed in the back throughout 2003-4.
Edited on Mon Apr-20-09 03:07 PM by blm
There is an entire group of powerful Democrats who wanted and needed Bush to stay in office.

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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 09:09 PM
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14. Yes The DLC
Third wave crap.Good cop VS bad cop,all on the same side.I am of the MIHOP side of the issue.And I think Pearl Harbor was a MIHOP too.
Roosevelt deliberately provoked of Japan,Pearl Harbor got us into the War in Europe.And Prescott Bush Funded the Nazis too.
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/20/001.html

These people in power that do and excuse these "black ops" are a hive mind of sorts a club of "successful"sociopaths.They can and do cover up most of what they really do and it hardly ever sees the light of day.They can manipulate and charm, lie and deceive with ease because they have no conscience.
NOTHING is too depraved to do to a human being according to them. NOTHING. And they do torture kids. They harm civilians.They do this kind of abuse systematically. Yes,they torture and back stab and ruin people's lives just because they can get away with it and they enjoy doing it too. They like traumatizing people, breaking them,they like making people suffer,like making people jump on their commands, manipulating people,using them,and forcing people to submit to them. They are in essence sociopaths, and to me, all sociopaths belong in a graves.
Sociopaths are the biggest obstacle to humanity progressing past the what we have been taught we must be ,because from day one we are not permitted to be free,even in our own minds sometimes.And we worry what others may think way too much.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 12:53 PM
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20. That's a very good way of putting it - good cop vs. bad cop
= DLC vs. Republicans. It's all a big charade because BOTH are in the service of the corporatocracy. I don't believe Obama is a willing servant, but he still has to declare fealty whether he wants to or not. Every president does--otherwise he doesn't get to be president, or stay president.

If you know what I mean.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 01:25 PM
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21. And furthermore, Panther...you nailed it with the rest of your post too.
Re NOTHING is too depraved to do to a human being according to them. NOTHING. And they do torture kids. They harm civilians.They do this kind of abuse systematically. Yes,they torture and back stab and ruin people's lives just because they can get away with it and they enjoy doing it too. They like traumatizing people, breaking them,they like making people suffer,like making people jump on their commands, manipulating people,using them,and forcing people to submit to them.

Mel Sembler isn't just a political sociopath, although he's that too, of course. He's a flat-out sociopathic MONSTER by anyone's standards. He has a long, sickening (and now very public) history of facilitating child abuse that goes back at least to the 1970s. When I saw his name on this thread, I remembered that I had seen it before in an even darker context than as chairman of the Scooter Libby defense fund. So I just googled "Melvin Sembler + child abuse."

Here's the first article I came up with:
http://www.thestraights.com/melsembler/index.htm

Read the article and then do the search yourself. There is a LOT of material, and I think reading some of it now would go a long way towards connecting the dots on a deeper level.



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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 08:43 AM
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16. Never forget and never forgive
At the very least that cabal of dems gave Kerry no support whatsoever allowing Bushco free rein.

And they all sat back and let Gore's, then Kerry's, elections be stolen.

On that basis should all national political positions be founded. They are our enemies - the wolves in sheeps' clothing.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 12:45 PM
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18. McAuliffe looked the other way while 2002 Dems had their seats stolen, too.
And he let Siegelman get cheated, railroaded and thrown in jail.
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