I'm Confused. The FDA Has Jurisdiction Over Pet Foods, But Not Tobacco?

[CorpGovActivist]

"Pet Food: The Lowdown on Labels," Linda Bren, FDA Consumer Magazine, May-June 2001: http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/2001/301_pet.html

"House Blocks FDA Oversight of Tobacco:
GOP Leaders Engineer Move; Result Is Seen as Setback for Health Care Groups
By Dan Morgan and Helen Dewar
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, October 12, 2004; Page A04"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A24429-2004Oct11.html

Run that by me again?

- Dave

[Jonathan50]

1. The DEA should have jurisdiction over tobacco

And it should be a schedule one drug, totally illegal like cannabis.

[ret5hd]

2. So, you are anti-legalization (as far as pot goes).

[Jonathan50]

7. Not at all..

I'm just in favor of consistency.

[ret5hd]

8. So, to satisfy your sense of consistency...

we need to create an entire new group of criminals...and then stick them in prison. Of course, if we are going to be totally consistent, we could create different penalties for different forms of tobacco, much as we have done for cocaine

Possession of less than 8 oz's of "dip" (Copenhagen, etc) -- 6 months -1 yr
Possession of a single "Kool" cigarette -- 5 yrs minimum

[Jonathan50]

11. Hey, if I can't have my drug of choice..

Why should the nicotine addicts have theirs?

Note my avatar.

[MonkeyFunk]

18. I suspect

that, somehow, you ARE getting your drug of choice. :eyes:

[Warren Stupidity]

4. Great idea! The prison industry needs a few million more victims. nt.

[LiberalHeart]

3. ATF -- Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms

Give tobacco to DEA or FDA oversight and they'd have to change the name of the alphabet agency. I thik ATF has it because it's all about the tax on it. The money's the thing.

[CorpGovActivist]

5. Multiple Agencies Can Have Concurrent/Overlapping Jurisdiction...

... and often do.

I'm just astounded that pet food ingredients are required to be labeled, and tobacco ingredients - ingested and inhaled by humans - are not.

- Dave

[slackmaster]

21. Add an 'E' for Explosives

They are the BATFE now.

[Warren Stupidity]

6. People should be fully informed and free to make their own choices. nt.

[CorpGovActivist]

9. Would "Fully Informed" Warrant Labeling...

... of tobacco product ingredients?

- Dave

[Warren Stupidity]

10. Absolutely.

I have no problem with that at all. I have a huge problem with extending the crimanlly stupid and corrupt war on some drugs we don't like to tobacco.

[Jonathan50]

12. Why not extend the WOD to tobacco?

And alcohol too as far as I'm concerned.

If we are going to ban some mind altering substances we should ban them all.

Tobacco and alcohol are both far more dangerous and addictive than is cannabis, what possible justification is there for leaving those substances legal?

[Warren Stupidity]

13. Because the war on some drugs we don't approve of is stupid and corrupt?

I am not a big fan of making things worse to illustrate how bad they already are. I find that type of strategy dishonest and manipulative.

The war on some drugs we don't approve of for mostly irrational reasons is stupid and corrupt and is only eclipsed by the mythical war on terror that we created all by ourselves to justify a permanent corrupt military industrial pillaging of the treasury as convincing proof that we as a society have gone completely insane.

[Jonathan50]

14. Correct me if I'm wrong..

The reason *some* drugs are illegal is because they are harmful.

Alcohol and tobacco are *more* harmful than quite a few of the drugs that are illegal.

Therefore alcohol and tobacco should be illegal also.

Can you find a flaw in my logic?

[Warren Stupidity]

15. You are wrong.

There is no rational basis for the legality/illegality of various intoxicants.

[Jonathan50]

16. You have not shown me where my logic is flawed..

I wasn't addressing the rationality of intoxicants being illegal, I was addressing the logic of some dangerous drugs being illegal and other, even more dangerous drugs being legal.

BTW, intoxicant only applies to those drugs which are toxic, ie: poisonous.

# poisoning: the physiological state produced by a poison or other toxic substance
# drunkenness: a temporary state resulting from excessive consumption of alcohol
# excitement and elation beyond the bounds of sobriety; "the intoxication of wealth and power"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

[Warren Stupidity]

17. Your premise is flawed.

"The reason *some* drugs are illegal is because they are harmful."

False premise. Prohibition is not based on the harmful qualities of drugs.

[Jonathan50]

19. That is the premise put forth by the government.

That is the premise I am using since it is the commonly accepted one.

[Warren Stupidity]

20. Do you believe the government's premise about Iraq?

This is silly. You and I both know the government is lying about the war on drugs.

[Jonathan50]

22. I don't believe it..

But it is nevertheless the commonly accepted premise.

Seventy plus years of drug hysteria have seen to that.