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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 05:42 PM
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ACLU petition - Demand Accountability for Torture
"In response to an ACLU lawsuit, the Justice Department just released four key memos about the Bush administration's illegal torture program.
Read the memos here.

To restore America's commitment to human rights, we must demand a thorough criminal investigation.

Tell Attorney General Eric Holder to appoint an independent prosecutor to investigate the detainee abuse."


https://secure.aclu.org/site/SPageServer?pagename=Nat_Petition_SpecialProsecutor&s_src=UNW090001ACT&s_subsrc=flyer&JServSessionIdr009=sjsqqdlqw2.app25a


"An Open Letter to Attorney General Eric Holder

It is time to appoint an independent prosecutor to investigate who knew about and authorized the Bush administration’s torture policies. If the evidence warrants, prosecutions should occur.

Nobody is above the law -- that includes high-ranking government officials. And we must look back to make sure this never happens again in order to move our country forward.

Please appoint an independent prosecutor to restore credibility at home and abroad and to give us an America we can be proud of again.

Signed,
"


Greenwald - UPDATE II

"...Obama did the right thing by releasing these memos, providing all the information and impetus the citizenry should need to demand investigations and prosecutions. But it is up to citizens to demand that the rule of law be applied."



Also...

"FDL has a petition urging Eric Holder to immediately appoint a Special Prosecutor to determine if criminal proceedings should commence."

http://action.firedoglake.com/page/s/Prosecutor



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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 05:44 PM
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1. K&R - but it's sad that we should even have to do this
Isn't anybody in charge?
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 05:45 PM
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2. Isn't anybody in charge? Yes, the CIA
They have been in charge since Dulles and Angelton started that agency

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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 05:47 PM
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4. So there is probably something to the Secret Government outside of the...
elected Government in this country then.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 05:49 PM
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6. :)) n/t
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 05:49 PM
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7. The CIA has always operated on their own terms
Whether it was Operation Mongoose in the 60's and 70's or their support of Pinochet in Chile - they make their own rules.

Now, if we can reign them in without all of us dead - we might have something
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 12:22 PM
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32. I'm not sure it would be called a secret government as much as a rogue agency
They have black budgets, accountable to no one

They set policy

They took out JFK, RFK, Jacobo Árbenz, Salvador Allende and countless others.

They could take out Obama - and make it look like he slipped in the shower

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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 05:48 PM
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5. Thanks and I agree that people should do their jobs....
that started with Congress a few years ago.

:(



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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 05:47 PM
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3. k&r - will the justice department take action even if we all sign? What will it take?
I just don't see Holder enthusiastically leading the charge here.....
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 05:51 PM
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8. It is worth a try, otherwise the next batch of criminals will haunt
the next generation IMO.





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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 05:59 PM
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13. agreed. I signed the petition and forwarded the link on to everyone....
Let us hope that the trickle becomes a raging river that washes this evil away.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 06:01 PM
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14. So true, we need a raging river!!! n/t
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 08:28 PM
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26. Bombarding the Congress..
with letters and phone calls might help. If 1% of the American people could do that it might make a difference. Who knows? It's never been done, has it?
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 05:53 PM
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9. Done
Special Prosecutor NOW
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 05:57 PM
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11. Thank you :) n/t
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 05:54 PM
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10. Did both
and passed on
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 05:58 PM
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12. Thanks ...."and passed on" Important ! :)) please forward to people
on your email list etc.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 06:23 PM
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15. shameless kick for a fifth n/t
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 06:32 PM
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16. You got it. Done, thanks. K & R.
eom
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 06:59 PM
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18. Thank you :) nt
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 06:38 PM
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17. K&R
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 07:00 PM
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20. Thanks, you had the most popular thread on DU this afternoon :)) nt
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 07:00 PM
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19. Thanks for posting
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 07:06 PM
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22. And thank you! n/t
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 07:04 PM
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21. Update III from Greenwald...
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/radio/2009/04/16/aclu/index.html

"UPDATE III: My interview with the ACLU's Jameel Jaffer can be heard by clicking PLAY on the recorder below. Jameel (a) calls for a Special Prosectuor on behalf of the ACLU and (b) emphasizes that nothing said by Obama or Holder today should be understood to foreclose criminal prosecutions. For all the reasons Jameel describes, I agree with that assessment, and Marc Ambinder reports that senior Obama officials told him (anonymously, of course) that nothing Obama or Eric Holder said today was intended to foreclose prosecutions. Russ Feingold made a similar point.


Needless to say, I vehemently disagree with anyone -- including Obama -- who believes that prosecutions are unwarranted. These memos describe grotesque war crimes -- legalized by classic banality-of-evil criminals and ordered by pure criminals -- that must be prosecuted if the rule of law is to have any meaning. But the decision of whether to prosecute is not Obama's to make; ultimately, it is Holder's and/or a Special Prosectuor's. More importantly, Obama can only do so much by himself. The Obama administration should, on its own, initiate criminal proceedings, but the citizenry also has responsibilities here. These acts were carried out by our Government, and if we are really as repulsed by them as we claim, then the burden is on us to demand that something be done.


More than 250,000 Americans attended protests yesterday (ostensibly) over taxes and budget issues. If these torture revelations are met with nothing but apathy, then it will certainly be reasonable to blame Holder and Obama if they fail to act, but the responsibility will also lie with a citizenry that responded with indifference.


Finally, it should be emphasized -- yet again -- that it was not our Congress, nor our media, nor our courts that compelled disclosure of these memos. Instead, it was the ACLU's tenacious efforts over several years which single-handedly pryed these memos from the clutched hands of the government. Along with a couple of other civil liberties organizations, the ACLU (with which I consult) has expended extraordinary efforts to ensure at least minimal amounts of openness and transparency in this country, something that was necessary given the profound failures of these other institutions to do so."




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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 07:26 PM
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23. Ponder that notion for history's keeping:
"Finally, it should be emphasized -- yet again -- that it was not our Congress, nor our media, nor our courts that compelled disclosure of these memos. Instead, it was the ACLU's tenacious efforts over several years which single-handedly pryed these memos from the clutched hands of the government."
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 07:41 PM
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24. Thanks for pointing that out, it really is a sad statement on the
state of our current affairs.

Torture memos, spying, state secrets and Bagram all happening at the same time.






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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 08:11 PM
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25. kick n/t
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 08:56 PM
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27. kick n/t
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 09:11 PM
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28. .
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 09:15 PM
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29. kick
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 09:23 PM
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30. Kicking
for late nighters.

And give the ACLU a few $$$ if you can they are the ones that have always been out there fighting for our rights. The repukes would just love to see this organization go down.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 10:55 AM
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31. kick n/t
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 12:23 PM
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33. Done and kicked.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 04:38 PM
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34. K & R!
:kick:
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 08:59 AM
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35. kick n/t
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