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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 03:42 PM
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Baucus responds to Howard Dean plea for a public option....probably not needed. .
Edited on Fri Mar-27-09 04:01 PM by madfloridian
From the Wonk Room:

Baucus: We Can Accomplish Health Care Reform ‘Without’ Public Health Plan Option

Basically he says they want to use the public plan option for leverage to get the insurance companies to do what the Democrats want them to do.

As I read this and watched the video, I realized that the plans are done, completed, and the wheels on the bus just keep moving along without us. We can scream and holler, but they are large and in charge.

Baucus's words:

Let’s see what we come up with. I think we can accomplish the objective (Dean) wants without (a public plan). We can, we’re going to have to work on it. But we may have to have it, (Dean) may be right. Just don’t know yet.


He just doesn't know yet. Which means in conservadem speak...ain't gonna happen.

Watch the 33 second video. They "just don't know yet".

Right now the public option is Medicare. Sounds to me they think they can do away with it and replace it with a private plan based on reassurances from the insurance industry whom they are leveraging using the threat of a public plan like Medicare.

Dean believes that the public plan would improve system efficiency and quality, but Baucus is more interested in using the program as a political tool to bring insurers to the table and keep single payer advocates at the table. The public, however, supports the public option. According to a poll by Lake Research, “73% of voters want everyone to have a choice of private health insurance or a public health insurance plan while only 15% want everyone to have private insurance.”


Sounds to me like a very strong possibility that Dr. Zeke Emanual's plan might be in play.

Zeke Emanuel is a health care advisor to Obama. Wants to phase out Medicare and Medicaid.

The Guaranteed Healthcare Access Plan will be administered by a National Health Board and regional boards modeled on the Federal Reserve System with fiscal, administrative, and political independence to make tough decisions based on the merits, not special interest lobbying. There will also be an Institute for Technology and Outcomes Assessment to assess the effectiveness of new drugs, devices, procedures, and other interventions. It will also assess and make publicly available data on the clinical outcomes of patients in different insurance companies. This will permit comparative shopping based on real quality results.

No one (I think he means to say "anyone") receiving Medicare, Medicaid, or any other government program will not be forced out, but there will be no new enrollees. People who turn 65 will simply stay in the Guaranteed Healthcare Access Plan. The special tax benefits related to employer based coverage will be eliminated and most employers will stop offering health insurance.


People left in Medicare as the program called Medicare is phased out? They are screwed.

Time's Karen Tumulty has a lot more on Baucus's response.

Max Baucus and the "Public Plan"

For the new issue of dead-tree TIME, I have written this short profile of Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, a most unlikely figure to have emerged as the point man for health care reform in the Senate. (The print version also has a chart detailing the highlights of Baucus' own health reform proposal, which you can read about in detail in the White Paper that he produced last November.)

What didn't make the print edition story was a part of the interview in which I asked Baucus about one of the most controversial elements of both his plan and President Obama's--the so-called "public plan," a option in which people would have a chance to enroll in a Medicare-like publicly financed health system. The insurance companies hate this idea, saying it is would be unfair for them to be forced to compete with the government. Many health care experts, however, argue that this provision is crucial, as a means of holding down health care costs. (The idea being that the government would use its muscle--much as it does in the Medicare and Veterans Administration programs--to negotiate lower reimbursement rates.) Conservatives oppose it as well, because they see it as a first step toward a Canadian-style single-payer system.

What Baucus had to say will not give much comfort to those who support the idea of a public plan as it is presently being proposed. He strongly suggested that its main value, at this point, is as a bargaining chip to get the health insurance companies to agree to other things that reformers want to see:

"Essentially, it's to keep it on the table to encourage the private health insurance industry to move in the direction it knows it should move toward—namely, health insurance reform, which means eliminating pre-existing conditions, guaranteed issue, modified community ratings. (TRANSLATION: Measures that would force the insurers to cover the sick as well as the healthy, at a cost that everyone could afford.) It's all those actions that insurance companies must take in order to provide affordable coverage. And the public option helps encourage the private companies to move in that direction, because they're worried. We might have to modify the public option to get enough votes. I hear some concerns among Republicans about the public option. The main purpose is to keep the health insurance feet to the fire."


So they are using a chance to get real change in insurance to squeeze the insurance companies so they will get in line to get ALL the business.

Someone want to tell me how much is wrong with that picture?

Someone want to tell me how having Democrats in charge is making a difference?


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GinaMaria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 03:55 PM
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1. What happened to FEP?
I thought this admin wanted everyone to have the same healthcare as our senators have, The Federal Employee Plan. Now I can't remember who said it. I think it was Biden.

I will concede that Medicare is an antiquated system that focuses on help after you get sick and not on prevention of getting sick in the first place. Scrapping it doesn't sound like good idea though.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 04:03 PM
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3. Medicare is necessary. No, scrapping it is not a good idea.
When I realized that our kids had no clue about Medicare and Medicaid and the differences in them, I realized that they could take the program away very easily.

And they will.

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GinaMaria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-28-09 12:38 PM
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15. so all the money from my paychecks
for medicare will go where? This money and the SSI money taken from my paychecks for the past 30+ years of working, was taken with the promise that it would be there for me later. Sounds like fraud if they take it away.

I can't help but think that we have the makings for revolution. Things are boiling and something needs to be done to turn down the heat. There are a lot of factors at play here, but taken in combination, signal we are moving closer to a confrontation of some sort.
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lsewpershad Donating Member (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 03:58 PM
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2. We know
what we have to do next time around...next election cycle.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 04:08 PM
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4. I know.
.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 04:24 PM
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5. Video of Baucus is up in the Politics Video section of DU.
Edited on Fri Mar-27-09 04:24 PM by madfloridian
Sounds like the insurance companies run the congress. :wow:

Video
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x289847
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 05:17 PM
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6. In the video we learn that insurance companies said NO to public option
Not acceptable they said.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 05:20 PM
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7. He's been in the Senate since 1979 and he doesn't know yet?
Guess he'll need a few more terms to really get a handle on what he thinks.:eyes:

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 05:22 PM
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8. His contributions from industry listed at Think Progress
In the comments:

He must think no one is paying attention.

Schering-Plough Corp $72,200
New York Life Insurance $52,900
KKR & Co $50,500
Goldman Sachs $48,900
DaVita Inc $48,350
American International Group $46,750
Amgen Inc $45,750
Aetna Inc $45,250
UST Inc $42,950
Blue Cross/Blue Shield $39,850
American Express $39,800
Akin, Gump et al $38,836
JPMorgan Chase & Co $38,600
Citigroup Inc $37,000
Morgan Stanley $34,500
Huntsman Corp $32,200
Paulson & Co $29,900
Verizon Communications $29,001
FMR Corp $28,850
Kindred Healthcare $28,400
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 05:27 PM
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9. Yep, 30 years gives a guy plenty of chances to make good friends.
It seems.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 11:24 PM
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14. Friends who demand loyalty.
And usually get it.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 06:34 PM
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10. Watch part 4 of the DFA phone conference. Lots of good info.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGBQ9MxLBCk

Dean says we already have 3 groups with socialized medicine now...Veterans, Congress, and Medicare.

We must have that option available.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 06:48 PM
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11. How difficult is it to understand
that the American public has spoken and they say NO to INSURANCE?

I know, I know, it would mess w/their largest campaign contributors.

There should be a law (who the hell is going to write it?) that states that if you (our wonderful representatives) do not vote for the same healthcare you all enjoy (at out expense) for all citizens, then your healthcare is null and void.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 09:07 PM
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12. Here are some of the "demands" from the insurance companies..
as Baucus hold the government run insurance over their heads as a bully club.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/ny-usinsu256082361mar25,0,2215694.story

"Two key insurance groups said yesterday for the first time they would consider phasing out high premiums for people with medical problems if the government requires all Americans to get coverage.

The offer signals a potential move toward health care reform, a priority of the Obama administration.

The Blue Cross and Blue Shield Association and America's Health Insurance Plans made their offer in a letter to several key senators, including Sens. Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.) and Max Baucus (D- Montana).

More than 48 million people in the United States have no health insurance. Insurers are intent on keeping business rather than losing it to a government plan."


The article fails to mention they told the senators that a publuc option was off the table.

More:

They seem to want mandatory insurance, which is nothing more than requiring people to buy an insurance policy. That is NOT reforming health care.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/27/AR2009032702951.html?hpid=topnews

"A coalition of hospitals, insurers, employers, physicians, drug makers and consumers released a report yesterday endorsing a set of policy changes that could cut in half the number of uninsured Americans.

Most notably, the group, known as the Health Reform Dialogue, calls for creating an "individual mandate" that would require every American to have some type of health coverage. Anyone who cannot afford insurance would be eligible for subsidies or expanded government programs such as Medicaid.

"We should seek to ensure coverage for all," the group concluded after six months of private, professionally facilitated negotiations.

..."Two unions -- the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees and the Service Employees International Union -- declined to sign yesterday's document, in part because of their support for a "public plan option," something President Obama endorsed during his campaign.


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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-28-09 01:14 PM
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16. Insurance groups said "they would consider" ...
Ain't that nice of them. :grr:


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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 09:41 PM
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13. Insurance industry concessions are not really that good.
From dday blog partially quoting Ezra Klein:

http://d-day.blogspot.com/2009/03/week-in-health-care.html

• Industry Concessions: The insurance industry has offered what I imagine they consider their grand bargain: they will agree to both guaranteed issue (no more denial for pre-existing conditions) AND community rating (charging a flat rate for a community regardless of medical history) in exchange for an individual mandate that forces everyone to buy health care. This would be significant, but the devil is in the details:

The companies left themselves several outs, however. The letter said they would still charge different premiums based on such factors as age, place of residence, family size and benefits package.

"If the goal is to make health care affordable, this concession does not go far enough," said Richard Kirsch, campaign manager for Health Care for America Now. "It still allows insurers to charge much more if you are old." His group, backed by unions and liberals, is trying to build support for sweeping health care changes.

Importantly, insurers did not extend to small businesses their offer to stop charging the sick higher premiums. Small employers who offer coverage can see their premiums zoom up from one year to the next, even if just one worker or family member gets seriously ill.

Ignagni said the industry is working on separate proposals for that problem."
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pmorlan1 Donating Member (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-28-09 03:06 PM
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17. GET YOUR PITCHFORKS READY
Everything is wrong with the Baucus plan to use the public plan option to squeeze insurance companies. We need to make the politicians more fearful of us than they are the insurance companies. If we don't move on this NOW it will be that much harder to stop this train from leaving the station. We also need to let them know that we will refuse to buy insurance company products and that their mandate will collapse because of it. WE MUST HAVE A GOVERNMENT PLAN OPTION.
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