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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 11:42 PM
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Recommend and check in if you still think Bush should be prosecuted.
Edited on Sat Mar-21-09 11:44 PM by JDPriestly
In all the excitement over the financial scandals, let's don't forget that Bush and his administration are responsible for impoverishing our nation -- not just financially, but also morally. We would be able to handle this financial crisis much better if Bush and Cheney hadn't ruined the country in order to fight their unnecessary war in Iraq. The bit about how they really believed that Saddam had WMDs? Irrelevant. They had a duty to investigate, to be suspicious, to make sure their "belief" was justified by the facts. And there were no facts to support their belief. The international team in Iraq reported back to the UN that Hussein was giving complete access to them and getting rid of the few prohibited items that he had -- before we sent in our troops. And the bit about purchases of yellow cake from Iraq had long been debunked. Let's don't forget the Iraqis and the American soldiers who died for Bush's folly.

The corruption of the Bush administration is as yet unsurpassed. From Cheney's ties to Halliburton to the abuses in the hiring and firing in the Justice Department to Katrina and on and on. Crime after crime, and, thus far, not one has been prosecuted. I question whether anyone is even investigating the multitude of crimes of Bush and Cheney, et al.

The illegal wiretapping is absolutely unforgivable. (I wonder if Obama is still wiretapping indiscriminately. He should make a statement about this. What criteria is he using to allow wiretapping?)

But, of all the criminal acts of these guys, the one we have no right to forgive is the torture. Cheney has admitted to authorizing and approving the torture. No investigation is needed. We have no right to forget.

Let's hear it from DU.

P.S. The statute of limitations on Bush's illegal wiretapping dated back to March 11, 2004 and may have expired. So, one statute of limitations has already passed. Possibly too late for that one.

http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/03/10/the-statute-of-limitations-on-bushs-march-11-2004-illegal-wiretapping-expire-today/
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 11:43 PM
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1. Here!
And looking forward to the day the papers are served!
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 11:45 PM
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2. Thanks. Let's don't lose our focus.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 11:46 PM
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3. Absolutely.. And not only Bush, but his entire Administration if applicable... n/t
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 12:02 AM
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12. The Downing Street Minutes - The UK isn't forgetting how many People have DIED!!!! for Politics!
I will NEVER forget the SHAME!!! of it.
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960 Donating Member (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 11:48 PM
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4. I haven't forgotten. I can walk & chew gum at the same time.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 11:50 PM
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5. Of course he should.
But he won't be.

K&R anyway.

:kick:
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 11:53 PM
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6. K&R
:thumbsup:
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 11:55 PM
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7. Absolutely yes.
And pressure from the public is the only way this stuff is going to be investigated.
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:42 PM
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79. I would like to start lumping Obama in with Bushco if Obama doesn't hold them all accountable.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 11:55 PM
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8. National Security "Intelligence" was being "fixed" in favor of Wars 'R' U.S. for trans-national Corp
Whom we seem to be giving large sums of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

Are we being Black-mailed, Internationally Black-balled, or Held Hostage for Xe profits?
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 12:13 AM
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17. P.S. by Vice President Dick Cheney
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 11:55 PM
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9. ... n/t
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 11:57 PM
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10. WE - F - U - C - K - I - N - G! - ARE - NOT!!!! - WAR SLAVES!!!! - "God" Dammit!!!!
Edited on Sun Mar-22-09 12:03 AM by patrice
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 07:05 PM
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107. If the Bush Administration is not
investigated and punished we will remain 'war slaves'. And this is our best and only Chance to change it.

Remember back. What justification was there for 58,000 Americans to die propping up a corrupt regime in South Vietnam? We are war slaves, that is reality. We have a corporate government. And that is a fact.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 11:58 PM
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11. HERE
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 12:06 AM
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13. Duh
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 12:06 AM
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14. This "stuff" didn't just happen.
Prosecute the crimes, damnit!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 12:09 AM
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15. Here
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 12:13 AM
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16. What kind of suck-ass publishing company would give him $9 million?
I hear that Osama bin Laden has put a $25 million reward on his head? Are there any caves around Dallas?
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 12:15 AM
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18. His Masters!!!!! U.S.A. for Hire to Oil Kings!!!!
God!!! This stuff gets me MAD!!!!
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Urban Prairie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 12:33 AM
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20. One who believes that they could make more than 10x that amount
From the fundie fools, the freeper Bushbots and the curious.
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 12:21 AM
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19. Lock him the fuck up. nt
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azureblue Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 10:12 AM
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55. Do not lock him up do not imprison him
Instead, sentence him to to this: give him a ruined home in New Orleans' ninth ward to live in, and to fix up. take away all his money and privilege. No health insurance, either. No car, he has to take the bus. Give him a job busing tables at Dooky Chase's in New Orleans. And this is how he will spend the rest of his life. As one of the people whose lives he destroyed.
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 10:58 AM
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61. I like the way you think nt
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HillbillyBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 02:11 PM
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82. Good sentence. Can you make that worse, no running water,
no new clothes, no meds, no friends....
Then when he thinks it can't get worse, make him homeless and hungry.
Been all of those myself (except not in New Orleans, but South Florida and Alabama)
Not the same, but the aggregate was pretty close.
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endersdragon34 Donating Member (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 12:37 AM
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21. :Puts on flame proof vest:
Can we charge people like John Kerry, Madeline Albright, Bill and Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, Joe Biden, etc. in jail first considering they helped spread the lies about Iraq (in some cases before Bush had ever talked about Iraq)? :Makes sure flame proof vest is secure: The Iraq War was a mistake, but both parties have their fair share of people responsible for it... putting all the blame on Bush and his administration is just dumb.
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HillbillyBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 02:17 PM
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83. Well others were in part responsible yes and should be accountable
but PNAC and bush bois controls (the ones running him) are the real culpable ones.
I read the PNAC manifesto before bushboi was even running for office, the same Neokons had been working toward this end for years likely decades.
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endersdragon34 Donating Member (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 04:05 PM
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91. Then how come...
Edited on Sun Mar-22-09 04:07 PM by endersdragon34
the only 2000 party platform mentioning Iraq was the Democrats. And I quote, "As President, Al Gore will not hesitate to use America’s military might against Iraq when and where it is necessary." Then when you considered Democrats spoke out on Iraq before and after Bush took office, they wanted this war just as much, just Bush is a convient scapegoat.

Source: http://a9.g.akamai.net/7/9/8082/v001/www.democrats.org/pdfs/2000platform.pdf (yeah its not exactly the ideal source but look around and you can tell its real).

P.S. The paragraph before that said "Ultimately, we must judge Iran by its actions. Al Gore will make an all-out effort to halt Iran’s acquisition of weapons of mass destruction and delivery systems." Sounds like the exact same kindof talk you were critizing McCain for not too long ago.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 07:11 PM
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108. Bush is no scapegoat
Judging Iraq by its actions would have insured that Iraq would not be invaded by a Gore Administration. Inspectors told us there were no WMDs. Bush wanted a different answer.

Bush is a low life lying piece of scum. And you are a low life piece of shit Republican. Take your revisionist history elsewhere.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 07:39 PM
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 11:16 PM
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133. "when and where necessary." Bush was correct to call for an investigation
of WMDs in Iraq because Hussein had possessed them at one point.

His failing was that he invaded even though by the time he sent the troops him, it had become evident that there were no WMDs in Iraq. In 2004 (I think the April edition), Vanity Fair published an article stating that the U.N. team of inspectors that were sent at Bush's request had reported back that Bush had fully cooperated, opened up his palaces to the inspectors and agreed to get rid of a few delivery weapons (missiles that reached a bit too far as I recall, not the kinds of WMDs that Bush claimed Hussein had) and that no other trace of WMDs had been found in Iraq. Joe Wilson had already reported back that the tale about the yellow cake from Niger (not from Iraq, sorry for my mistake) was false. And there was never any evidence that Hussein was supporting Al Qaeda. Cheney has to this day insisted on repeating that lie, and it was and is a lie unsupported by any evidence, never supported by the slightest evidence.

The whole Iraq war was based on lies. What was behind the lies? Bluffing by Hussein. Why was Hussein bluffing? Because he feared Iran. Iran is a Shiite country, and the majority of Iraqis are Shiites. Hussein kept his power in Iraq by oppressing the Shiites. In the 1980s, the Iraqis and Iranians fought a terrible war in which Hussein used chemical weapons.
http://www.georgeweber.net/
Hussein was forced to get rid of the WMDs he used in that war after the Desert Storm War under GWH Bush.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War

Gore, the other Democrats and Republicans in 2000 had no way of knowing whether Hussein had WMDs or not because they had not sent in inspectors to investigate. At this point, Bush took power as president of the US. Until that time, since the end of Desert Storm, the only military actions against Iraq were those that defended the no-fly zone and intelligence actions and support of local groups like factions in the Kurds.

I repeat: Bush was correct in calling for the U.N. team to go into Iraq and search for WMDs. He was wrong, terribly wrong, in ignoring the results of that investigation.
When Bush invaded Iraq, he listed 3 grounds for the invasion: the alleged WMDs, the alleged nuclear weapons capacity and the alleged support of Al Qaeda. There were no WMDs, no nuclear weapons, and Saddam never supported Al Qaeda, had no links to Al Qaeda. Bush had been told that there were WMDs by the international inspectors, that there was no yellow cake and no nuclear capacity by the international inspectors and Joseph Wilson and the absurdity of the claim that Saddam supported Al Qaeda was widely acknowledged.

It is criminal to attack another person or another country for any reason other than self-defense or the defense of others or some other justification. Bush was not defending the U.S., any third party and had no other justification. Bush should be prosecuted for that, but that is just one of the crimes, serious crimes that Bush committed.

The accusations against Bush are not based on policy differences. Bush committed crimes. If you commit a crime, you will be convicted and sentenced appropriately. That's the way our rule of law works for you and me and ordinary people. It should also work that way for Bush, Cheney and those who aided and abetted them in their crimes. Members of Congress, Democrats? They did not invade Iraq without any evidence. They were not responsible for making sure that their decision to invade was based on evidence that the invasion was necessary. They did not have the means to investigate: the CIA, military intelligence, and other means of discovering facts that Bush had. Many people died due to Bush's invasion of Iraq. Bush is a criminal, a war criminal.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 11:56 PM
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137. It might be a little different for those people
But I dont disagree with you. Albright thought that the death of Iraqi children was justified if it meant a weakened Saddam Hussein. The sanctions started by the Clinton administration did nothing to Hussein and only helped to make innocent Iraqi's suffer. Dems especially Clinton and his administration is without blame here. But you have to admit Bush and his criminal yes men took the ball and ran with it big time.
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motocicleta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 12:58 AM
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22. We will not be a democracy again
until Bush is in The Hague.

K n R
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 10:08 AM
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54. perhaps a bit drastic
Edited on Sun Mar-22-09 10:09 AM by imdjh
As much as I might like to see B**h led through the streets in chains, my first thought was about that rape case in California where the young man was convicted for not stopping in the midst of consensual sex. If B is to be tried and convicted for the wars in the east, can President Obama be tried and convicted for not stopping those wars the split second he took office, ie the split second the American people withdrew their consent?

Most people would reason that you can't simply say, "OK, we're out of here." in a complex situation where an occupation army is both an aggressor and peacemaker/lawgiver. But absolutes are rarely about logic or reason, they are about split seconds and hairs.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 12:20 PM
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67. The crime occurred when false information was given to the
American people, Congress and the world in order to induce them to support the war. In my opinion, the charges regarding the authorization of torture such as waterboarding and the wiretapping are more serious. I do not know to what extent Clinton was also involved in illegal wiretapping, but I have serious questions about it.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:03 AM
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23. Bush and others. n/t
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:22 AM
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24. YES! Save some space in Gitmo for Karl and Dick, too.nt
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norepubsin08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:29 AM
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25. Im In
I think the whole fucking Republican Party ought to be prosecuted!!!!
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:31 AM
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26. Always have. Always will.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:32 AM
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27. Absolutely. But, are we doing one of these threads a day, now?
k&r nonetheless.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 02:23 AM
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29. One a day until Bush, Cheney and their co-conspirators are indicted.
We need to keep reminding ourselves that this is a top priority.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:57 AM
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28. Check!
War criminals.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 03:55 AM
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30. K&R & FNA!
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jimlup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 05:16 AM
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31. If we don't prosecute Bush/Cheney
It is further proof that our society has lost its mind.
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B o d i Donating Member (543 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 05:21 AM
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32. I still do. I can't think of anybody on the planet more deserving at this moment.
They destroyed America and the American dream.

They deserve the Nobel Prize for Evil. (TDSWJS reference)
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12string Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 05:55 AM
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33. Charlie Manson
is a choirboy compared to these murdering thugs.K&R.
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azureblue Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 10:07 AM
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53. How many did Manson kill?
How many did Bush kill in Iraq? How many did he kill in New Orleans? How many did he kill by ignoring the Presidential daily briefing that warned about a looming airplane attack on some major landmark?
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Optical.Catalyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 05:58 AM
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34. K&R
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 06:56 AM
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35. Do SOMETHING
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 07:21 AM
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36. Arrested, Imprisoned, Prosecuted and the EXECUTED!!!
and I'm deadly SERIOUS...
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proReality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:26 AM
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42. No...
...execution is too quick and easy for them. I'd like to see them locked in solitary, with no outside communication available in any form. No windows, so they won't know if it's day or night or what season it is. I wouldn't even allow them to walk in the 'yard' more than once a year.

They need time to reflect on what they've done.
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edspit Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 08:29 AM
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37. Prosecute the whole admistration
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 08:33 AM
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38. Yes.
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 08:59 AM
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39. and justice for all
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proReality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:18 AM
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40. Bush & Cheney must be prosecuted ASAP!!! eom
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uberllama42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:22 AM
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41. If we are a real country, we will put Bush on trial n/t
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:33 AM
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43. K & R
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:42 AM
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44. K & R
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:54 AM
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45. K & R
Off to The Hague!
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FailureToCommunicate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:56 AM
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46. Hell, throw in 9/11!! Remember Condi ignored the report from Richard Clark
and others about the nature of the next attack. Basically anything from the Clinton administration was suspect in their minds. So Bush stared at the wall
when reality smacked his smug mug.
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:58 AM
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47. Yes! nt
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 10:00 AM
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48. I'm nothing if not consistent. nt
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azureblue Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 10:04 AM
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49. Bush should be prosecuted
For what he did to New Orleans, alone. That in itself is a crime.
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Tommy_J Donating Member (668 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 10:04 AM
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50. Kick and Rec.

When the wars finally end and the global economy starts recovery, maybe years from now, prosecutions will finally happen. Before that, I doubt it.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 10:06 AM
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51. Three words: Torture, torture, torture
The statute of limitations on Bush's illegal wiretapping does not expire
if it is part of a criminal conspiracy that was ongoing. Since the 2000
election in Florida was stolen, the whole Bush term was a criminal conspiracy!
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 10:06 AM
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52. Of course. nt
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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 10:21 AM
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56. This March 2009 meeting in the British House of Commons
produces more evidence of Neocon deception leading up to the war. Katherine Gunn was imprisoned for speaking out about the U.S. bugging the UN and bribing other countries in the run up to the war. Her recent testimony at this link. http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/VideoPlayer.aspx?meetingId=3724&rel=ok

I hope to one day see Bush/Cheney and the whole cabal tried at The Hague and imprisoned for the rest of their lives to pay the price for the over 1 million Iraqi people who's lives have been destroyed. Until that price is paid America can never be respected in the world. Bring these criminals to justice now. The same goes for Tony Blair and Jack Straw who were equally complicit and are still covering up information on their crimes.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:22 PM
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75. Has this video been posted on the video page of DU?
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 11:20 PM
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134. Please post that video on the video page of DU again. I watched it this morning. It is excellent.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 10:37 AM
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57. But but but we mu mu must must look to the fut fut future.
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Ticonderoga Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 10:47 AM
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58. For what it's worth
I don't believe there is in fact a statute of limitations for War Crimes and certainly not one for Murder.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:28 PM
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77. No, but some of the financial corruption and fraud could involve
statutes of limitation.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 10:53 AM
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59. kick
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 10:54 AM
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60. Still here
he's still an unpunished war criminal.
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rhymeandreason Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 11:10 AM
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62. Bush should have been impeached two years ago
but impeachment was not "on the table". The HJC led by mellifluous John Conyers has waffled and wavered and acquiesced for years. All I really expect from Congress is bold empty rhetoric and meaningless gestures.
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Stellabella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 11:19 AM
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63. Absolutely. ASAP.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 11:27 AM
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64. Without a damn doubt!
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 11:39 AM
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65. Abso-damn-lutely right!
Edited on Sun Mar-22-09 12:17 PM by peace frog
They are remorseless criminals - try, convict, incarcerate.
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Melissa G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 11:56 AM
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66. _
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 12:33 PM
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68. k&r damnit!
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vanboggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 12:38 PM
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69. I'm not ready to make nice
and never will be. Prosecute the lying, murdering SOB's. The Dixie Chicks are my cell ringtone to remind everyone around me of what these bastards did:

I'm not ready to make nice
I'm not ready to back down
I'm still mad as hell and
I don't have time to go round and round and round
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The Hope Mobile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 12:48 PM
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70. Beyond any doubt!!!! nt
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Richd506 Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 12:52 PM
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71. K & R
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MajPayne2 Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 12:56 PM
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72. I have to say yes.
I am active duty and on leave so I have taken this time to do some research on the whole Iraq affair. My research started with After Downing Street and mushroomed from there. I have to say I am truly appalled at the crap we were fed. Not to mention the raiding of the treasury on a monthly basis to finance this scam. The crimes committed are worthy of a Hague Tribunal at least. To have to listen to my fellow soldiers spew their garbage about * is honorable and did what he had to do irritates me to no end. I retire in 24 months and I volunteered to go to Korea for those 24 months so I would not have to hear their testosterone driven, PTSD fueled dumb shit ever again. When this shit is over, how do we stop these people from killing when that is all that 23 year old guy has been doing since high school?
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 11:27 PM
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135. Thank you for your service. My husband is a veteran.
Serving is honorable. We the American people are responsible for making sure that during your service, you are not asked to do things that should not be done. The buck really stops with us.

One way we can prevent future presidents and Congress's from sending troops into situations like Iraq without reason is to push for prosecutions of Bush and his aides who failed to do the diligent investigation that they should have done before sending you to war.

Our troops are our best and brightest men and women. We owe it to all of you to protect you from risking your lives in unnecessary wars.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:05 PM
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73. absolutely
and not just him...
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:05 PM
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74. there's no statute of limitations
on murder.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:24 PM
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76. Yes they need to be put away, then we can get on to other matters. K&R. n/t
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Maineman Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:29 PM
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78. Absolutely. Yes!
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Pooka Fey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:56 PM
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80. Checking in. n/t
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 02:09 PM
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81. This will be the only real "cure" for our nation.
To allow that level of treason to go by, unpunished, is basically giving a nod to the shredding of our Constitution.

If these criminals are NOT prosecuted, then we have no democratic republic left.

This is the moral & morale boost we need as a nation right now. The proof that crimes & wrong-doing will be appropriately punished. That goes for the thieves on Wall Street, too.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 02:47 PM
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84. "I wonder if Obama is still wiretapping indiscriminately." K&R nt
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gtar100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 03:26 PM
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85. There is no statutue of limitations on his crimes against humanity
He alone isn't responsible. But he played the figurehead.

There are crimes that have been forgotten - the Anasazi for example. But as long as we as individuals and collectively remember and learn from the republican reign of error, we need to bring justice. And justice isn't just seeing *ush swing on the gallows, it's making things right for the Iraqis, the Guatemalans, the Colombians, the Vietnamese, and all the places we played out our war games in the name of American freedom and for the purpose of war profits. May all wrongs committed be brought to justice.
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we can do it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 03:33 PM
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86. Prosecuted and Executed
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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 03:35 PM
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87. Checking in. nt
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pitchforksandtorches Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 03:40 PM
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88. Beheaded - then put on trial
ALL of them.
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create.peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 03:40 PM
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89. absolument, mes amis! n/t
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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 03:59 PM
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90. Prosecutions would make me smile.
Convictions would probably make me shit myself...


In the meantime, I'm too cynical to hold out much hope... not of pursuit of Executive Authority abuses anyway.
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 04:12 PM
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92. Here we go again.
YES. I still think Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rice/Perle/Wolfowitz/Feith/etc. should be tried for treason and violation of the U.S. Constitution.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 04:17 PM
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93. Yo.
n/t
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 04:28 PM
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94. Bush created the Economic Crisis as cover.
It was all planned in order to weaken any resolve and create a chaotic social environmnet.

If he (His Cabal) succeeds in getting away with it, then we are no longer living in the United States. The only freedoms we have are to consume whatever the Corporation produce for us, and we can continue to battle our way through life, every man for himself. Comfortably numb, fat, dumb and stupid.

Bush alone is too stupid to have done all of this. He had lots of help.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 04:36 PM
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95. If a president can't be sued during his term, wouldn't that negate any statute of limitations?
Plus, there are a lot of circumstances that prevented any substantial congressional oversight, such as the all-media-all-the-time cheerleading for Bush/CheneyCo that created & perpetuated the "kick their @ss, take their gas/you're either with us or against us/you're either a patriot or a terrorist/God is on our side" mentality. When the entire media takes this point of view in sync, with the constant 24/7 drum banging, it does intimidate even the most rational, thinking person. After 8 years of that Twilight Zone, I doubt the mainstream media could ever accomplish that again.

There was a Republican majority in both houses to abet, protect, & stonewall for Bush/Cheney. They wouldn't even show up for any hearings that were held. And remember other examples of Republicans' arrogance: Democrats were sometimes allowed only a small basement room for standing-room-only crowds; and Sensenbrenner turning out the lights while Democrats were still questioning a witness.

When there were hearings, all witnesses speaking on behalf of Bush/Cheney would stonewall, obfuscate, or "forget" in their non-answers.

Slick lawyering or not, the revolt against the Bush/Cheney regime isn't going to go away. It will continue to fester until their very serious crimes are brought to account.

Sorry about the rambling, but emptywheel's blog entry made me think about this.

And, yes, I do think this entire cabal should be prosecuted.
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Best_man23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 04:47 PM
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96. Yea
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DissedByBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 05:01 PM
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97. No.
Hate to say it, but no.

They will be the longest drawn-out trials ever with both sides bringing out the biggest legal guns ever seen, and it will last years. It will polarize both sides of the aisle in Congress, and the Republicans will filibuster everything out of spite.

It will be almost impossible for Obama to get things done in that environment especially as the public concentrates on the trials instead of on Obama's message.

That is the reason I say no.

I know it is cold and practical and doesn't bring justice. But it is true.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 11:37 PM
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136. It is impossible for Obama to get anything done in this environment.
Edited on Sun Mar-22-09 11:41 PM by JDPriestly
And it will get worse for Obama. He has to clean house.

I am reminded of a landlady I had in France. When one of her tenants, a foreign student, alleged that someone had broken into the student's room and stolen something, the French landlady rushed into the student's room and straight for the window. The landlady dramatically threw the curtains apart and said: "Laissez entrer la lumiere de Dieu." "Let the Light of God enter." That's what Obama has to do. Let the Light of God, the light of the truth enter into this country.

Obama promised transparency and the end of secrecy. His first step should be to throw open the curtains on the crimes of the Bush era. Until he does that, Obama will not be able to unite the country or really enjoy the trust of the American people. And without that unity and that trust, his administration will fail.
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tclambert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 05:14 PM
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98. Prosecute.
Especially Cheney's water torture.
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snake in the grass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 05:37 PM
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99. It upsets me immensely...
...that this isn't being actively pursued. The longer we wait, the more time they have to regroup and deliver the U.S. the coup de grâce.
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 05:50 PM
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100. Proud to give this thread its 100th kick!
Though you and I both know it's never going to happen. American presidents are above the law: Nixon, Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Clinton and the previous one... They all got away.
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santamargarita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 06:01 PM
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101. Yes! We can't have another Kissinger or Pinochet
One was half-assed convicted and the escaped justice. Not again!!!!
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 06:15 PM
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102. K&R... Jail to the thief! n/t
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 06:32 PM
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103. .
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MikeH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 06:35 PM
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104. K & R; We need to prosecute Bush and Cheney
I don't know how or when it might be done, but somehow we have to do it.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 06:37 PM
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105. They must be prosecuted if we are to have any credibility in the world community
Otherwise, we will never be cleansed of our underlying current of fascism--which can clearly be seen in readers' comments no the torture issue.
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hay rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 06:58 PM
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106. PUBLIC EXECUTIONS? YES!!!
DROOL, DROOL, DROOL.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 07:15 PM
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109. K&R! Get Bush!
Get on his ass like a Republican out to get Clinton!
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emmadoggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 07:17 PM
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110. K & R & Present.
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burning rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 07:23 PM
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111. K & R
.
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Phlem Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 07:26 PM
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112. Oh hell ya
when?

-p
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 07:33 PM
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113. I used to be for "moving on, " but after looking at history,
it's obvious that moving on is a terrible idea. The Bushies are the same people involved in Nixon's crimes, Iran Contra, etc. etc. etc.
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 07:36 PM
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114. K&R
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trthnd4jstc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 07:37 PM
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115. I have, but one, recommend to give for my country. n/t
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 07:39 PM
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117. K&R
Prison time ideally, too.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 07:43 PM
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118. Deleted message
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 07:55 PM
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119. Kickin' for a little well deserved
justice and their day in court. :hi:
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PinkyisBlue Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 08:28 PM
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120. It's never too late for justice.
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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 08:47 PM
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121. Certainly! No change of heart here.
Can't happen soon enough.

My fear is it won't happen at all.

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Mosaic Donating Member (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 08:58 PM
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122. Bush MUST be procecuted!!!
And it must be done to serve as a warning to ALL future presidents that wars for empire will not be tolerated. If Obama does nothing, I'm moving to a country that doesn't participate in imperialism. I've truly had enough of this crap.
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BobTheSubgenius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:22 PM
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123. How can one make the argument that they shouldn't?
What message does it send future leaders to let these felons walk away with no consequences after completely heinous acts?
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veganlush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:31 PM
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124. present
:patriot:
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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:37 PM
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125. K&R. Lock up the ignorant, stupid clueless thug.
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:44 PM
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126. In
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:52 PM
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127. Checking in again...
...as many times as it takes to get the message across.

I strongly suspect that my senators would be happy to impeach the asshole. I wish I had mor confidence in my rep.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 10:20 PM
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128. Recommended!
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nikto Donating Member (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 10:25 PM
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129. 1st Convict, then Execute
Edited on Sun Mar-22-09 10:27 PM by nikto
When the time comes, just send Cheney to
an upstairs lounge in his Montana mansion.
He can take his favorite shotgun with him.

Give him an hour.
He'll be fine.

Just hand Bush over to Geneva.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 10:28 PM
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130. Prosecuted?! NO... Firing squad WITHOUT LEGAL REPRESENTATION?! YES!!!
:P
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 10:30 PM
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131. Kick & 211th Rec
Edited on Sun Mar-22-09 11:04 PM by sce56
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Gemini Cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 11:07 PM
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132. Yes. K&R
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 12:16 AM
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138. YO.
NT!

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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 01:39 AM
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139. No change from last week
Still want it. Will want it until it happens or I die. I prefer the former.
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Chorophyll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 09:19 AM
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140. To late to rec., but checking in. nt
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rambler_american Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 03:46 PM
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141. Error: you can only recommend threads which were started in the past 24 hours
Error: you can only recommend threads which were started in the past 24 hours

Kicked anyway

:kick:
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SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 09:18 AM
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142. K & R
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