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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 03:26 PM Original message |
Poll question: Do we have a RIGHT to Food, Shelter, Healthcare, and Security? |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
1. Has man ever had a "right" to those things? |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 03:31 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Certainly not in the USofA n/t |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 03:33 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. only when he or she decides to make them rights |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 04:25 PM Response to Reply #1 |
23. In a decent society, yes. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 02:13 AM Response to Reply #1 |
84. yes, of course |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 01:15 AM Response to Reply #1 |
99. Perhaps a legal right, but not some cosmic law right thingy. |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
2. I believe our inalienable right is the pursuit of those ..... |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 03:31 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. That's a very good answer. |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 03:37 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. TYVM |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 03:38 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. I like that |
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Kip Humphrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
6. Currently? No. Should we? Yes. Survival should be the right of every living, breathing person. |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 05:55 PM Response to Reply #6 |
30. *ding* *ding* *ding* *ding* We have a winner! |
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Patchuli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 08:09 PM Response to Reply #6 |
38. Yayyyyyyyyyy!!! |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 10:54 PM Response to Reply #6 |
44. You sound like a - dare I say it? |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 11:40 PM Response to Reply #6 |
52. But if we want everyone to live long, healthy lives, then family planning should also be a right, |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
9. Yes to at least one of the three "Security" because the 2nd Amendment protects the natural, inherent |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 03:52 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Security of person can mean 'social' security |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 05:48 PM Response to Reply #14 |
25. You wrote the OP and used " RIGHT". The only rights recognized in the U.S. are those enumerated in |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
10. We should insist upon it... |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
11. Yes, yes, yes, and no. |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 05:53 PM Response to Reply #11 |
27. Yes, yes, yes, and partly. |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 07:44 PM Response to Reply #27 |
36. Reasonable; the "no" was to the blanket statement. -nt |
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Jack_DeLeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
12. You have the right to persue those things... |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 04:19 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. Exactly! We have a right to the PURSUIT of these things... |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 05:53 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. True. Stealing is a crime... |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 06:59 PM Response to Reply #22 |
35. Until we decide we do have such a right. |
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tangent90 (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
13. It depends entirely on what is meant by "a right". Your question is meaningless without a |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 03:54 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. You mean 'natural' vs 'legal?' |
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tangent90 (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 03:56 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Either one, for the purpose of discussion. Anybody who proposes a 'natural' right will have to |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. I know. It's confusing |
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tangent90 (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 04:06 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. I pretty much dropped out of the ST loop after Kirk said Spock did "too much LDS" |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 04:08 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. "Double Dumbass on you" |
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Duer 157099 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
18. Yes, these are HUMAN rights |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 04:05 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. What an EXCELLENT example to make your point |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 05:54 PM Response to Reply #18 |
29. Your response is worthy as an OP. |
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Duer 157099 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 06:41 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Thanks. But it's such a simple and obvious point isn't it? |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 06:00 PM Response to Reply #18 |
31. Kicked and recommended for your post. |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 12:59 PM Response to Reply #18 |
115. My thoughts exactly |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
24. We have natural rights and we have civil rights. |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 05:51 PM Response to Original message |
26. Long ago, people worked the fields for a living - an agrarian society. |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
33. Wow, surprising results here. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 06:59 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. . |
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Oak2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 11:46 PM Response to Reply #33 |
53. The raging right- er, "center", here is loud out of proportion |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 11:54 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. It's just odd that this poll is so one-sided |
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Pharaoh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 08:00 PM Response to Original message |
37. Yes we should |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 08:17 PM Response to Original message |
39. The United Nations Declaration of Human Rights was ratified in 1948 ... and says YES! |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 10:01 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Actually, there's a catch there. |
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1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 12:09 AM Response to Reply #39 |
56. you'd have to take that up with the un. its not defined that way in the us constitution... |
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diane in sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 08:33 PM Response to Original message |
40. If we don't we should. |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 10:46 PM Response to Original message |
42. we hold these truths to be self evident...... Life, Liberty and the Pursuit.... |
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WillowTree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 01:42 AM Response to Reply #42 |
100. You do, of course, know the difference... |
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AdHocSolver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 10:47 PM Response to Original message |
43. I prefer my tax dollars be spent on universal health care rather than bailing out a bunch of crooks. |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 11:07 PM Response to Original message |
45. Kick - 67 to 8 in favor of gauranteed necessities for all |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 01:02 AM Response to Reply #45 |
62. It's great to see, isn't it? |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 01:05 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Absolutely, although I wonder... |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 01:13 AM Response to Reply #63 |
66. It's a whole new way of thinking for many people, that's for sure |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 11:17 PM Response to Original message |
46. I voted yes, BUT there is a catch. |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 11:30 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Then that would be a NO vote. |
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No.23 (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
47. No right; moral imperative instead. |
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SmileyRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 11:23 PM Response to Original message |
48. Morally yes, constitutionally no. Therein lies the chasm between liberals and conservatives. |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 11:28 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Constitutionally speaking... |
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SmileyRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 11:37 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. A very good reminder and I thank you. Especially since |
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1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 11:47 PM Response to Original message |
54. no. (well, it depends on how you define security. you should clarify that.) |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 12:15 AM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Good point. Does "security" mean inside a fence? |
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Seldona (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 12:28 AM Response to Original message |
58. Yes. |
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Angleae (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 12:34 AM Response to Original message |
59. And who pays for all of it? |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 01:02 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Liberace. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 01:17 AM Response to Reply #59 |
67. There are many different ideas out there |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 12:53 AM Response to Original message |
60. By "right to" do you mean the right to other's labor producing food, shelter, medicine - |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 01:24 AM Response to Reply #60 |
72. That's an excellent question |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 01:29 AM Response to Reply #72 |
74. I say let them have all that. |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 02:58 PM Response to Reply #60 |
95. It is the collective work of the citizens for the common good, administered by a government of the |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 01:06 AM Response to Original message |
64. no, they are NOT basic human rights. they ARE human needs, and societal responsibilities. |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 01:12 AM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Ah, thanks for the tip. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 01:17 AM Response to Reply #65 |
68. where ISN'T "work or starve" pretty much the way it goes? |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 01:21 AM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Makes no difference to me. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 01:27 AM Response to Reply #70 |
73. "..."Work or starve" is barbaric, and it's time for a better way..." |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 01:33 AM Response to Reply #73 |
75. Guaranteed minimum income. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 01:39 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. how would it end poverty? it's utterly ridiculous. |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 01:46 AM Response to Reply #76 |
77. So what? |
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1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 02:01 AM Response to Reply #77 |
80. heh. you've convinced me. i'm tired of busting my hump. my monthly check would cover... |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 02:04 AM Response to Reply #80 |
81. LOL |
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1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 02:06 AM Response to Reply #81 |
83. come over to my place and we can chill over some bud and some hbo... |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 02:22 AM Response to Reply #80 |
87. Welcome aboard lol |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 10:02 AM Response to Reply #77 |
90. your definition of poverty is a little off... |
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scrinmaster (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 11:18 PM Response to Reply #75 |
97. So why don't we all stop working and take this GMI. |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 12:40 AM Response to Reply #97 |
98. Of course, and most people *would* continue to work. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 01:45 PM Response to Reply #98 |
104. wanna bet on that? |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 08:50 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. Don't patronize me. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 11:21 PM Response to Reply #105 |
108. i don't have any problems with higher wages.... |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 11:49 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. 81% of DUer's support this. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 07:45 AM Response to Reply #109 |
110. WRONG! |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 07:41 PM Response to Reply #110 |
120. OK, you're done. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-24-09 02:11 PM Response to Reply #120 |
121. for some people, the truth just hits too hard... |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 01:44 PM Response to Reply #70 |
118. "For centuries, chattel slavery was an accepted practice worldwide. Now it isn't" |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 01:49 AM Response to Reply #68 |
78. Deleted message |
leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 01:18 AM Response to Reply #64 |
69. Guess I should have put 'sex' in the title |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 01:23 AM Response to Reply #69 |
71. probably mostly angry ones... |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 02:17 AM Response to Reply #71 |
85. LOL. I think people of all sexes appreciated that thread, though! |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 01:53 AM Response to Original message |
79. Do we live in a Commonweal? |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 02:06 AM Response to Reply #79 |
82. "Man is born free, and everywhere he is in chains" |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 02:24 AM Response to Reply #82 |
88. There are none so hopelessly enslaved... |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 02:20 AM Response to Original message |
86. Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 04:34 AM Response to Original message |
89. Where do we answer the question in the title? |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 10:04 AM Response to Reply #89 |
91. you have a right to speak up and ask someone to give you food? |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 07:06 AM Response to Reply #91 |
101. No you don't |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:43 AM Response to Reply #101 |
103. i think the person doesn't think those things should cost money...? |
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C......N......C (454 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
92. Nature goes through a lot of problems to have a reproductive system. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
93. THANKS EVERYONE for participating! |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
94. And education. |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
96. Yes. |
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surrealAmerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 08:25 AM Response to Original message |
102. What do you mean by "security"? |
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mykpart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:06 PM Response to Original message |
106. We the people of the United States |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:09 PM Response to Original message |
107. Yes, they are rights. |
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scrinmaster (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
111. You have the right to obtain it, |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 03:08 PM Response to Reply #111 |
119. Then you would agree that you do NOT have a "right" to healthcare |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 11:42 AM Response to Original message |
112. Re: healthcare |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
113. You have a Constitutional Right to as many guns as you want. No right whatsoever to Healthcare, etc |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 12:04 PM Response to Reply #113 |
114. The Constitution states that there is a right ot keep and bear arms, but it does not state that |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
116. But what would become of the soul crushing bureaucracy? |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-25-09 08:39 PM Response to Reply #116 |
122. Hehe, great post. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
117. In that it is the responsibility of those who may provide... |
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