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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 07:00 AM Original message |
Charter school students more likely to graduate, attend college |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 07:04 AM Response to Original message |
1. I am really not comfortable with education for profit... |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 07:22 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I'll second that. My belief is that the education system has............. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 07:32 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. What do you think they are doing differently |
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spotbird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:29 AM Response to Reply #5 |
46. They draw students who are motivated |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:42 AM Response to Reply #46 |
52. They also draw kids who have been kicked out of public schools |
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City of Mills (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:43 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. For example |
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spotbird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:51 AM Response to Reply #53 |
57. We are talking about the whole group |
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wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 10:38 AM Response to Reply #5 |
60. They kick out kids who aren't achieving. |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 11:03 AM Response to Reply #5 |
69. Well, in a word, cherry picking. AND, I don't think traditional........... |
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October (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 05:18 PM Response to Reply #69 |
103. Our charter school doesn't cherry pick. Quite the opposite. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 07:24 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Many charter schools are non-profit |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 07:31 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. But many are not... |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 07:41 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. In general |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 07:46 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Here in Cleveland, neither the Carters or the Public Schools seem |
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CaptJasHook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:47 AM Response to Reply #12 |
29. It doesn't matter how good the education is |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:23 AM Response to Reply #29 |
40. or thru education, and the kids growing up with the problem, maybe some of them |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:27 AM Response to Reply #9 |
21. Charter schools arise in areas where the Bradley Foundation lobbies to create them |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:27 AM Response to Reply #4 |
42. So, if the Charter Schools are gone, what is to blame for the public school's crisis? |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 11:25 AM Response to Reply #42 |
73. JesusfuckingChrist, when did you go to school? Did you go to.......... |
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zazen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 07:34 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. my daughter's charter high school is super progressive and ranked 20th in US among ALL schools |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:00 AM Response to Reply #6 |
17. My hesitation with Charter Schools is tempered by results here in Cleveland |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:29 AM Response to Reply #6 |
45. Teachers' unions see charter schools as a threat and have worked hard to demonize them |
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spotbird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:31 AM Response to Reply #45 |
48. That would be because they will undermine |
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endersdragon34 (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 06:57 PM Response to Reply #48 |
111. Isn't that the parents job? |
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lutefisk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:51 AM Response to Reply #45 |
56. I think the NEA has a reasoned, thoughtful position: |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 10:04 AM Response to Reply #45 |
58. Because they are a threat |
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trudyco (975 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #58 |
78. Who's "us"? Traditional public schools. Well, the tent is getting bigger |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 03:12 PM Response to Reply #78 |
87. A different exclusive tent has been created |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 05:28 PM Response to Reply #87 |
105. Can you use more precise language there? (nt) |
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endersdragon34 (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 06:00 PM Response to Reply #58 |
108. How is that? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 06:44 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. No |
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endersdragon34 (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 06:54 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. LOL then how are they stealing money from you |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:08 PM Response to Reply #45 |
116. Exactly |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 11:05 AM Response to Reply #3 |
70. OH??? Explain. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #70 |
106. I'm not sure what's to explain. |
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CaptJasHook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:44 AM Response to Reply #1 |
26. You should be concerned about education for profit but.... |
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wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 10:59 AM Response to Reply #26 |
66. Wherever you have deregulation and lack of oversight, you will have abuse. |
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lutefisk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 02:14 PM Response to Reply #66 |
77. There needs to be strict regulation and oversight. It's a mess in some states. |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 07:36 AM Response to Original message |
7. Charter schools are the gate way to privatization of our public educational system. |
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CaptJasHook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:50 AM Response to Reply #7 |
30. You are being conflating the definition of Charter schools |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:32 PM Response to Reply #30 |
75. "Charter schools", within the "public system" ..the nose under the tent |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 02:53 PM Response to Reply #75 |
81. That's the difference between "equal" and "equitable" |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 03:34 PM Response to Reply #81 |
89. It's just too bad, that what used to work, in educating kids, seems to be not working anymore |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 04:01 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. The 70's were not glory years for all students. (nt) |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 04:07 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. never said they were.. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 04:18 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. I don't know. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 04:27 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. When I was in 3rd grade, I read with the 6th grade class.. went there every day |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 04:48 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. I'm officially confused. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 05:06 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. What I meant is that it does not take "special" schools |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 05:27 PM Response to Reply #99 |
104. Perhaps a standard environment is not best for all students, though. |
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October (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 05:41 PM Response to Reply #89 |
107. Plenty of smart kids since the 70's |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 10:43 PM Response to Reply #107 |
120. The privileged kids are doing fine. |
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October (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 09:19 AM Response to Reply #120 |
130. Very sad indeed |
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trudyco (975 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 12:46 PM Response to Reply #81 |
131. Beautifully said. nt |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 07:40 AM Response to Original message |
8. Well d'uh |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 07:51 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. I wish you could make your points with more honesty |
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spotbird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:27 AM Response to Reply #13 |
43. It is disingenuous to claim the |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:47 AM Response to Reply #13 |
55. Madhound and I are from the same state and they do indeed hand pick kids here |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 10:51 AM Response to Reply #55 |
63. It doesn't surprise me |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 02:57 PM Response to Reply #63 |
82. I teach in MO |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 04:24 PM Response to Reply #63 |
94. So how about an apology to MadHound for calling him a liar? |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:12 PM Response to Reply #94 |
118. The laws in Missouri also contradict his statements. (nt) |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 08:01 AM Response to Reply #118 |
126. So in other words you're calling two people here out as liars |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 11:03 AM Response to Reply #55 |
68. Thanks for the back-up |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 03:00 PM Response to Reply #68 |
83. That's one of the problems; people think these charters are all the same |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 11:00 AM Response to Reply #13 |
67. I wish you would stop claiming that I'm lying |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 02:38 PM Response to Reply #67 |
79. And I wish you'd not make untrue claims |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 07:34 PM Response to Reply #79 |
112. Umm, I'm not in Kansas, |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:11 PM Response to Reply #112 |
117. Sorry, proud2BlibKansan's profile lists KS as her state |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 10:14 PM Response to Reply #117 |
119. Well, here on the ground that certainly isn't the case |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 10:50 PM Response to Reply #119 |
122. Can you name a few that don't accept special ed kids? (nt) |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 07:38 AM Response to Reply #117 |
123. But they do indeed refuse to admit sped kids |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 07:57 AM Response to Reply #123 |
125. I was going to ask why nobody does that. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 08:04 AM Response to Reply #125 |
127. One was an Edison school but they left town and the school came back into the public school district |
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trudyco (975 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 02:44 PM Response to Reply #8 |
80. We have a mix where I live, but the parents with LD kids have tried to |
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woodsprite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 07:42 AM Response to Original message |
10. Our charter school freed up enough room at our local elem. school |
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spotbird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 07:44 AM Response to Original message |
11. Also Breaking: Valedictorians More Likely to Attend College |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 07:53 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Not sure if you missed this: |
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spotbird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:30 AM Response to Reply #14 |
23. Enrollment in charter schools |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:16 AM Response to Reply #23 |
36. That's kind of the key point here |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:18 AM Response to Reply #23 |
38. I think it shows something else. |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 07:53 AM Response to Original message |
15. Are they required to enroll students who have |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:21 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. We follow state laws. |
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spotbird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:34 AM Response to Reply #19 |
25. How about random mandatory assignment by lottery? |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:46 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. That misses the point of many of the charters |
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spotbird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:14 AM Response to Reply #28 |
35. But if the students in charter |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:20 AM Response to Reply #35 |
39. wrong conclusion |
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spotbird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:25 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. The comparison is false |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:45 AM Response to Reply #41 |
54. reallyis the point. doesnt matter if my kid is private, charter, rich public or poor public |
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SheilaT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 07:58 AM Response to Original message |
16. I recall reading several years ago |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 07:41 AM Response to Reply #16 |
124. Our charters have lower test scores than our public schools |
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AyanEva (428 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:03 AM Response to Original message |
18. I'm torn on charter schools |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:24 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. I think you are mistaken on entrance exams |
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AyanEva (428 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:28 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Ah. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:53 AM Response to Reply #22 |
31. magnets justify entrance exams |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
24. No surprise there. Their parents are paying enough attention |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:58 AM Response to Reply #24 |
33. not necessarily. |
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spotbird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:17 AM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Which, by definition, makes her a motivated student |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:30 AM Response to Reply #37 |
47. The motivation many times |
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spotbird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:33 AM Response to Reply #47 |
50. So what? |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 07:57 PM Response to Reply #33 |
114. You have some good communication going-- |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:45 AM Response to Original message |
27. doesnt the parent make the choices for this school? so the parents that participate in childrens |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:56 AM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Most of our parents don't volunteer at all. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:10 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. ah. thanks i appreciate. i think there are some obvious reasons, common sense |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:28 AM Response to Reply #34 |
44. Most aren't walking distance |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:32 AM Response to Reply #44 |
49. vouchers is the argument by repugs. i know not now. |
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spotbird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:35 AM Response to Reply #44 |
51. So the families of these students |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 10:37 AM Response to Reply #51 |
59. Nonstarter for debate - they already are attending public school. (nt) |
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spotbird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 10:49 AM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Traditional public school. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 10:54 AM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Nonstarter - they are already attending nonprofit noncorporate public school. (nt) |
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spotbird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 11:14 AM Response to Reply #64 |
72. So there is no need for charter schools |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 03:14 PM Response to Reply #72 |
88. I'm glad you are posting here. |
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spotbird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 03:53 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. No reasonable person compares unlike |
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demmiblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 10:43 AM Response to Reply #51 |
61. This is a huge issue in economically depressed areas. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 10:57 AM Response to Reply #61 |
65. Economic restrictions affect them regardless. |
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demmiblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 11:14 AM Response to Reply #65 |
71. That is simply not true. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:13 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. Whether or not you mentioned it, it remains true. |
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demmiblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 01:55 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Oh, B.S. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 03:10 PM Response to Reply #76 |
86. Wow, touchy. |
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demmiblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 04:52 PM Response to Reply #86 |
98. Why, yes, I am touchy! Thank you very much! |
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trudyco (975 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 03:07 PM Response to Reply #65 |
85. This is true in our case. We are not in the worst neighborhood but we are from the best |
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trudyco (975 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 03:01 PM Response to Reply #61 |
84. We carpooled - most I know who live at a distance do. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 04:35 PM Response to Original message |
96. Are charter schools required to take children with developmental disabilities? n/t |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 05:13 PM Response to Reply #96 |
101. The federal IDEA applies to all public schools districts. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 07:39 PM Response to Reply #101 |
113. Thanks for the info. |
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Geek_Girl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
100. The Magnet schools in my area require the Parent to volunteer 20hours |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 05:16 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. Magnets aren't charters. |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 08:20 AM Response to Reply #100 |
128. Exactly. Kids whose parents are concerned and involved have a better chance of succeeding. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 09:15 AM Response to Reply #128 |
129. Assuming that is the main reason |
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juno jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:08 PM Response to Original message |
115. My son attended a public (ie CA school district ) charter school. |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 10:46 PM Response to Original message |
121. Why because parents have mo money? |
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