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backwoodsbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 03:52 PM Original message |
had a talk with a fundie coal miner today and it made me think |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
1. Eco-restoration, eco-tourism... |
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ogneopasno (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. A $30/hour coal miner isn't going to want to work in a $7/hour tourism job. |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:30 PM Response to Reply #3 |
22. Still beats being unemployed or working in Walmart! |
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backwoodsbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:56 PM Response to Reply #22 |
35. thats what you dont get |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 05:25 PM Response to Reply #35 |
45. Well then if you don't like my idea :MOVE to a place with jobs. |
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backwoodsbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. you havent offered shit for jobs |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 06:38 PM Response to Reply #50 |
64. It's NOT.. people who ask for ideas and then whine about them are a problem for me.. |
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backwoodsbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 05:49 PM Response to Reply #45 |
57. ddeclue |
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Jester Messiah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 11:28 AM Response to Reply #45 |
111. That's no solution |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 12:25 PM Response to Reply #45 |
116. Nice try. One can have all the education, but if employers say "We want x years of experience"... |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 12:40 PM Response to Reply #45 |
118. as dumb as your post about Obama's imaginary cigs. |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 10:25 AM Response to Reply #35 |
105. I don't know where you are |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 10:29 AM Response to Reply #105 |
106. Lots of pot farms.. |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 04:33 PM Response to Reply #106 |
121. well the farms are already there |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 05:23 PM Response to Reply #22 |
44. Wow, just wow you dont get it do you? nt |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 05:27 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Ummm YES I do... right now I'm going on 3 months unemployed |
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backwoodsbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 05:37 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. they werent GOOD jobs |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 06:41 PM Response to Reply #52 |
67. Oh brother... you didn't read what I wrote and are focusing on tourism as |
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ogneopasno (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 05:31 PM Response to Reply #22 |
49. Actually, it doesn't and you're either being willfully ignorant or casually flippant about something |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 06:43 PM Response to Reply #49 |
68. Well FINE MOVE like the rest of us then and find a job that makes you happy |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 01:03 PM Response to Reply #68 |
119. maybe because... your suggestions are shite? |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 07:10 PM Response to Reply #49 |
73. Amen to that! nt |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 09:33 AM Response to Reply #22 |
96. being a jerk again I see |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 12:24 PM Response to Reply #3 |
115. Mostly because, unlike in other countries, $7/hr get won't you squat in America. |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 02:02 PM Response to Reply #3 |
120. they will have to retool just like Oregon with timber and any other |
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backwoodsbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:04 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. have you ever been to Gatlinburg/Pigeon Forge? |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:29 PM Response to Reply #6 |
21. Many times.. hey I'm just offering some choices.. |
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backwoodsbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:44 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. so what happens when |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:53 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Probably NOT but you really can't expect life to never change... |
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backwoodsbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:59 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. so your solution is to move EVERYONE in SW ,Virginia ...SOMEWHERE? |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 05:20 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. No people need to move THEMSELVES and find new jobs |
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backwoodsbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 05:46 PM Response to Reply #34 |
55. I hope your little disney world paradise fails there |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 06:39 PM Response to Reply #55 |
66. You apparently can't read or you would know that I don't think |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 08:44 AM Response to Reply #6 |
86. Amen. |
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leftyclimber (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:15 PM Response to Reply #1 |
15. Ecotourism is not a sound option. |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:34 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. The alternative is to dry up and blow away entirely... |
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leftyclimber (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:40 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. I thought your other ideas were good. Just not ecotourism. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 05:16 PM Response to Reply #28 |
41. Even if tourism doesn't dry up and blow away |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 05:21 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Dude you don't have to tell ME that, I live in Orlando FL |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 05:45 PM Response to Reply #43 |
54. Isn't the Mouse canning people? |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 06:43 PM Response to Reply #54 |
69. I haven't read specifically that they are but it wouldn't surprise me. |
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backwoodsbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 06:23 PM Response to Reply #43 |
61. you want to see them can the mouse |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 06:49 PM Response to Reply #61 |
70. NO - READ DAMMIT - It was ONE of THREE options offered. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 05:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
39. Having lived near Yosemite |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 05:28 PM Response to Reply #39 |
47. I live in Orlando FL and yes they do but they are better than no economy at all. |
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ogneopasno (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 05:35 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. That's right, ddeclue, aim low, aim low! Might as well move to China, where the jobs are, and where |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 06:50 PM Response to Reply #51 |
71. Deleted message |
ogneopasno (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 07:15 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. And then you said "better a shitty job/economy than none at all." I was just taking it to the |
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Fresh_Start (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
2. Retraining should be standard policy |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
4. Now would be a very good time to start doing something |
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MountainLaurel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
5. Some programs do exist |
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leftyclimber (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:06 PM Response to Original message |
7. I watched retraining go VERY wrong in the Pacific Northwest. |
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madmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
8. I guess the same way auto factory workers will have to retrain, learn a new skill, |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 05:29 PM Response to Reply #8 |
48. What jobs are hiring retrained workers (or anyone) in great numbers? nt |
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madmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 08:39 AM Response to Reply #48 |
85. UMM, that's kind of the point. Auto workers have been saying this all along, not to |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 08:53 AM Response to Reply #8 |
91. Thanks for saying what I was thinking and I didn't have the words. |
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Rider Haggard (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
9. Tazewell... that's just a stone's throw from Grundy isn't it? |
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backwoodsbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:14 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. VERY close to Grundy |
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Rider Haggard (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:27 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Nice. |
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backwoodsbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:33 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. the Barter is awesome |
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backwoodsbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:23 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. when you say Bluefiels do you mean Bluefield? |
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Rider Haggard (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:36 PM Response to Reply #18 |
27. Thanks, yes I meant Bluefield. |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 08:49 AM Response to Reply #18 |
89. Beautiful! |
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CBR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 09:30 AM Response to Reply #18 |
94. My hometown... |
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TornadoTN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 05:39 PM Response to Reply #9 |
53. I'm right across the border in NE Tennessee |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 10:01 AM Response to Reply #53 |
98. Considering how tiny Grundy is.. |
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shireen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
10. how does one start a retraining program in a free market? |
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backwoodsbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:35 PM Response to Reply #10 |
26. why are you being snarky? |
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shireen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 07:17 PM Response to Reply #26 |
76. i forgot to use the "sarcasm" icon |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
11. Coal isn't going ANYWHERE, as long as people still make money mining it and burning it. |
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vanbean (957 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
12. I would be easy to teach them to mine uranium, but they don't have any. |
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backwoodsbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:49 PM Response to Reply #12 |
32. actually |
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Truth2Tell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
13. How much money did the coal miner you spoke with give |
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backwoodsbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:19 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. so since most of them vote repuke we say fuck off and die? |
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Truth2Tell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:24 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. I thought my sarcasm was clear. |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:35 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. Well, since he's a fundy, maybe he should ask his invisible friend to help him out |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
16. That was sort of what Lyndon Johnson was getting at |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 10:07 AM Response to Reply #16 |
99. Even economic development is hard.. |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
29. That's always been one of the big questions to phasing out coal, what |
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TornadoTN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 05:48 PM Response to Reply #29 |
56. It's not just the miners - there are literally millions of jobs in related industry |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
31. Ah the good ol' we need to retrain people and you are right |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 05:10 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. without retraining, "recovery" is an empty concept.. |
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geek_sabre (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
33. This is a problem when |
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backwoodsbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 05:06 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. no ,one here is talking civil war sorry |
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virginia mountainman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 05:15 PM Response to Original message |
40. Another thing we must realize... |
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TornadoTN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 05:54 PM Response to Reply #40 |
58. Well said. We need a long-term strategy to this issue |
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Ron Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 06:53 PM Response to Reply #58 |
72. The first Earth Day was almost 40 YEARS AGO. |
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TornadoTN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 07:17 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. Yes they have, but sadly, they squandered it |
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backwoodsbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 06:14 PM Response to Reply #40 |
60. THANK YOU |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 09:36 AM Response to Reply #40 |
97. Wow, good points |
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MillieJo (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
59. Yeap... Parts of the UK haven't recovered from the loss of the coal industry... |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 06:24 PM Response to Original message |
62. It isn't much of an argument to tell the truth. |
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TornadoTN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 07:23 PM Response to Reply #62 |
79. There are also a great many workers in related industries |
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Spike89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 06:24 PM Response to Original message |
63. Retraining won't /can't work |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 06:38 PM Response to Original message |
65. Ya' know, when the South was stealing thousands and thousands of good New England... |
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TornadoTN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 07:19 PM Response to Reply #65 |
77. So I guess the rest of us are collateral damage? |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 07:38 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. You be better; I'd rather New England secede from these "United States" that have so abused us... |
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lildreamer316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 07:55 AM Response to Reply #65 |
83. ,,,wow. Compassion much? |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 08:51 AM Response to Reply #65 |
90. it was up to those New Englanders to press THEIR representatives |
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virginia mountainman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 10:12 AM Response to Reply #65 |
100. Yea, Gore, and Kerry BOTH SAID...that they did not need the south to win.. |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
78. Same idea I have for all these situations. |
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Shireling (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 07:30 PM Response to Original message |
80. We need to begin |
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TornadoTN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 07:21 AM Response to Reply #80 |
82. I'm with you on this - it's a sensible first step |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 10:19 AM Response to Reply #80 |
101. Err.. Old Growth?!? |
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Shireling (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 06:35 PM Response to Reply #101 |
122. I know that there |
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Trailrider1951 (933 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 07:56 AM Response to Original message |
84. Hi there Bob from one of the Honakers |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 08:44 AM Response to Original message |
87. I'm from Alleghany Co, Va. |
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TornadoTN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 09:23 AM Response to Reply #87 |
92. VA Tech is a great resource |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 10:22 AM Response to Reply #87 |
103. Peee-Yeew!! (Covington paper mill) |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 08:44 AM Response to Original message |
88. Somebody has to maintain all those windmills, right? |
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TornadoTN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 09:30 AM Response to Reply #88 |
95. Looking at the long-term, that's a very big piece of the puzzle |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
93. Steelworkers had to do the same thing |
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ogneopasno (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 10:22 AM Response to Reply #93 |
102. While your question is legitimate, I strongly object to your characterization of blue-collar workers |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 10:33 AM Response to Reply #102 |
107. Why? |
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ogneopasno (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 10:38 AM Response to Reply #107 |
108. Because the kind of jobs we are talking about here are generally skilled positions, and for you to |
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Roadless (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
104. Just like the stock market worker or the fired IT guy...... |
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many a good man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
109. Points to a MUCH bigger issue: self-sustainable local economies |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
110. Programs Are Out There You and Your Friend Should Use the Googles |
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deaniac21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
112. Invent the diamond press and keep mining coal for jewelry. |
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radfringe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
113. coal mining isn't going to stop overnight |
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HillWilliam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
114. Both sides have a point |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
117. Coal miners are not complete dipshits. They can be retrained for new jobs |
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