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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:52 PM
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A honeybee resurgence?
As many of you know, the honeybee populations in America have been dwindling at an alarming rate.

This spring, for the first time in years, there are honeybees ALL OVER my yard! My landscaping hasn't changed any, but the honeybee population sure has.

Anyone else noticed this...? It makes me happy.
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mwdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:54 PM
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1. I had tons of them around last summer/fall.
They were drinking out of my patio fountain. It was so cool. I hope they come back.
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:55 PM
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4. Heartening news. The environmental wisdom of late is that the
worldwide honeybee population has decreased by 3/4 recently.
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:55 PM
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2. I have seen the same thing here in L.A.
Quite remarkable.
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:56 PM
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6. Good news! This makes me really happy. I hadn't seen
honeybees in years, and I've been worried.
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:58 PM
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8. I like your avatar.
It looks vaguely familiar.
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 03:01 PM
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11. Ha.
It has a personal meaning that I won't go into here.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:55 PM
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3. can't talk, I'm buzzing off
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moez Donating Member (638 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 04:38 PM
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18. Careful, or you'll get honey all over the keyboard....
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 05:29 PM
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31. DUZY Alert! nt
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:56 PM
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5. I hope so!
I'm wondering if scientists found a reason for Colony Collapse Disorder...

Was it a pesticide? A parasite? Monsanto's frankencrops?
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:59 PM
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9. I have a strange feeling it was possibly a pesticide that was
Edited on Tue Mar-17-09 03:00 PM by amitten
quietly pulled from the market. Nobody wants the honeybees to die off, since we rely on them for food.

I think the culprit was found and warned, and given the chance to pull the product quietly to avoid negative media attention.

Purely speculation, but it would explain a sudden honeybee resurgence in the absence of other unusual factors (weather, etc.).
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 03:03 PM
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13. I watched a documentary about Monsanto that showed a kind of butterfly
that died after eating from their RoundUp Ready GM corn plants. The guy who did the study was basically tackled and discredited by Monsanto thugs which leads me to believe he was onto something. :shrug:
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 03:01 PM
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12. The weight of scientific evidence points to parasites and infectious disease.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 03:40 PM
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16. I guess that's the thing with pathgens.
If a parasite or germ is so virulent and damaging to the host, and kills it off too quickly, it all of the sudden runs out of vectors it can use to spread.

So there's evolutionary pressure for germs and parasites to keep their effects on the hosts down to a dull roar.

Could it be that the honeybees had their equivalent of the 1918 Spanish Flu? The Spanish Flu didn't stay around forever either.
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 04:45 PM
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20. co-evolution
bacteria and host mutually evolve to equilibrium. Immune-compromised hosts die off, but normal, healthy hosts carry on. From the bacteria's perspective, I call it "survival of the less fit."

Really freaks the "Darwin is bunk" crowd to learn that we can watch bacteria evolve in realtime.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 05:15 PM
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25. This is where Stephen Colbert...
plugs his ears and yells "LALALALALALALALALALA!!!"
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 06:11 PM
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37. Researchers haven't been able to point to a bacteria as the
cause.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 05:17 PM
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28. That's all entirely possible.
Although:

1. I think the die off was wildly exaggerated; there were many false claims of CCD when investigators found no evidence of such.

2. It could have been caused by mulitiple problems. Parasites in one place, bacteria in another, pesticides in a third, all complicated by bee rental transport.

3. No evidence the problem is over. I never saw a decline of bees on my plants. The OP is anecdotal.
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JMDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:58 PM
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7. Those aren't bees. They are stealth drones spying on you.
Oh... gotta run!
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 03:00 PM
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10. Yes...


Samantha Bee Explains Short Selling (VIDEO)

Link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/17/samantha-bee-explains-sho_n_175624.html

:hide:

:hi:

:silly:
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 03:29 PM
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14. Does EVERYTHING have to be about politics around here...?
:P

Thanks for the link.
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foxfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 03:36 PM
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15. I had lots of honeybees on my Chinese witch hazel this past February.
More than I've seen for a long time. We have orchard mason bees as well, but the honeybees outnumbered them. It was a good thing to see.
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 03:48 PM
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17. I don't think I've seen so many in at least 10 years or so.
It's as if one small facet of Mother Nature is returning to "normal"...
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 04:39 PM
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19. we had plenty of them last year...but it's still too early for them around here.
nt
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 04:49 PM
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21. Spring? You have spring already?! *pouting over having to wait at least another month*
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 05:03 PM
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22. Yes, spring sprung here in TX about a week ago.
And I wasn't expecting The Return Of The Bees. But I'm glad it happened.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 05:17 PM
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27. Yeah, it's great those busy li'l guys are back. :^)
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 05:08 PM
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23. Could Be Evolution/Natural Selection At Work
The one's that are left are resistant to whatevers been killing them off. Those are now reproducing a new generation w/ immunity to whatever it was that's been killing them.

Although to be fair, your anecdote is hardly enough evidence to claim a comeback at this point. As nice as that anecdote is!
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 05:12 PM
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24. I know. I thought the resurgence could be unique to my area.
That's why I posted asking for feedback from others.

At any rate, it can't be a bad sign.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 05:16 PM
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26. Not just on the bees, but the parasites or germs too.
If the pathogens are too lethal, they kill themselves off too.

There's evolutionary pressure for parasites and pathogens to keep their effects on the host down to a dull roar, so the host lives longer and gives more chances to pass on the pathogen.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 05:18 PM
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29. Yup
Good point.
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 05:45 PM
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34. True. But researchers are so far unsure what has caused the
massive die-off.

It would be unusual for a pathogen to have such a quick effect worldwide, I would think.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 05:57 PM
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35. Yeah. I don't have enough knowledge on this.
It could be a parasite or a germ of some sort (viral? bacterial? fungal? Who knows?)

Others were mentioning that it was a type of pesticide that was being sprayed on crops that was killing the bees.

We all saw the public fight over this - with pesticide companies publicly refusing to budge and attempting to discredit researchers.

But I think the action was in a back room, and the pesticide companies agreed to pull one of their products in exchange for sweeping things under the rug.

A few years from now, the researchers will come out with additional studies proving a link to this pesticide, then the companies can save face by saying "We haven't sold that product for years!"
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 06:06 PM
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36. That's what I think re: pesticides.
The same sort of die-off has been affecting frog populations worldwide for years.

Frogs are extra-sensitive to chemicals in their surroundings.
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Z_I_Peevey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 05:27 PM
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30. I noticed honeybees all around the blooming wild plums
just yesterday. It's been two years on my place without them. I was so happy to see the bees I marked it on my calendar!

Here's to a resurgent spring.
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 05:31 PM
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32. My parents told me that all their trees that have flowers are swarming with bees.
The cell phone usage in their area is quite high, since they live near a busy part of the city.

Thus, I'm not sure that cell phones are the main culprit for CCD as had been theorized by some.
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 05:31 PM
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33. oh i hope so. I never really realized that I never saw any until someone said something
about them dying off. In my yard we do not have any honey bees. We have wasps and yellow jackets. I hope the honey bees can prevail. They are so essential to so much. We are constantly reminded of the delicate balance to keep life going. The ecosystem is so fragile. Every part of it is so important for every other aspect.
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