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Big_Mike (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 10:47 PM Original message |
The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes for Treatment |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 10:49 PM Response to Original message |
1. The American Legion also strongly opposes facts. |
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wmbrew0206 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 10:51 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. So this is not a proposal the White House is considering? |
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Sinistrous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:02 PM Response to Reply #2 |
10. No, it isn't. |
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kiva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:08 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Isn't that what the OP said? That if any vet has private insurance, |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:44 PM Response to Reply #13 |
34. The VA bills my insurance company. They pay the VA. If they don't. the VA |
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Sinistrous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 12:09 AM Response to Reply #13 |
42. Should be paid for by - or - should be provided by? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 08:40 AM Response to Reply #13 |
55. Yes, but look at the headline. The headline frames how people perceive the story. Sometimes, |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:04 PM Response to Reply #55 |
80. American Legion, Republican. Politico, Republican = False propaganda. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 10:54 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Listen to Paul Reykoff on the Rachel Maddow show |
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wmbrew0206 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:05 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. Here is a link that backs up what they were saying |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 12:09 AM Response to Reply #1 |
41. Well, the headline is definitely a lie. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 08:44 AM Response to Reply #41 |
56. Sure is a lie. Leave it to Yahoo's RW creeps every time. |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
3. Edited: I read more on it |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 10:54 PM Response to Original message |
4. I think it is time to start visiting the laws governing "Libel". There should be a |
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Big_Mike (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 10:59 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. This was initially covered in briefings by Secretary Shinseki to Congress |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 08:48 AM Response to Reply #4 |
58. The laws governing libel of policians run smack up against the 1st amendment. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 10:56 PM Response to Original message |
6. He does that, he lost vets, period |
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Demobrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:00 PM Response to Original message |
8. How horrible |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:01 PM Response to Original message |
9. This is a press release from American Legion Media Director Craig Roberts. |
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Demobrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:07 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. It's not the veterans he wants to hurt. |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:09 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Yep. |
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Demobrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:38 PM Response to Reply #15 |
32. Why not - if it scares the vets and turns them against Obama? |
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wmbrew0206 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:10 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. And those insurance companies will pass the increased costs right on to the veterans. |
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silverojo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:23 AM Response to Reply #16 |
52. And to everyone else who has medical insurance |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 08:55 AM Response to Reply #52 |
60. If the government pays for it, we all pay for it anyway. I don't get your post. |
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wmbrew0206 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 03:38 PM Response to Reply #60 |
70. Under this idea the government does not pay for it. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 08:51 AM Response to Reply #16 |
59. More likely, the increased costs will be spread among all their customers. |
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wmbrew0206 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 03:42 PM Response to Reply #59 |
71. Most of the costs will be sent back to the veterans. |
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Abq_Sarah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:58 PM Response to Reply #12 |
36. Do you have insurance |
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jbrianroberts (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 04:58 PM Response to Reply #9 |
82. You should probably check your facts before posting |
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Sinistrous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:08 PM Response to Original message |
14. Contrary to Cdr. Rehbein' hyperbolic prose, there is no plan to bill veterans. |
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wmbrew0206 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:42 PM Response to Reply #14 |
33. I disagree. The extra cost the private insurance companies incurr |
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Abq_Sarah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 12:00 AM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Not only the veterans but in the case of reservists |
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Sinistrous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 12:06 AM Response to Reply #33 |
40. Stretching a bit, eh? Anyway, this has not even been proposed yet. |
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biopowertoday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 12:24 AM Response to Reply #40 |
45. Floating the idea for the past month is a stupid thing to do to vets!..... |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:12 PM Response to Original message |
17. Take it out of the Pentagon's $600BB budget. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:12 PM Response to Original message |
18. American Legion makes a stirring defense of insurance companies. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 08:57 AM Response to Reply #18 |
61. Excellent question. Also, did he ever see Walter Reed Hospital before that |
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wmbrew0206 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:12 PM Response to Original message |
19. For the doubters who think this is not an actual proposal... |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:14 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Still, it's only a consideration. I think the impression people are getting is that it is |
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wmbrew0206 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:19 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. I think that was what got the AL all fired up today. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:32 PM Response to Reply #20 |
30. It's not even a real consideration |
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wmbrew0206 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:50 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. Shinseki said it was a "consideration," that is more than a rumor. |
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Abq_Sarah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 12:02 AM Response to Reply #30 |
39. If President Obama met with the American Legion |
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biopowertoday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 12:28 AM Response to Reply #39 |
46. Vet groups wrote Obama a month ago to protest this 'consideration"........ |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 12:41 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Which is why Shinseki had to address it |
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biopowertoday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 08:45 AM Response to Reply #49 |
57. The WH has floated this idea--which is enough for vets to |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:16 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Also, you should post that article in GDP. It does a great job explaining the entire Obama Veterans |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:29 PM Response to Reply #19 |
29. So Shinseki said "if" they change procedures |
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wmbrew0206 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:58 PM Response to Reply #29 |
37. The fact that the head of the VA did not say the idea was dead in the water |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 12:40 AM Response to Reply #37 |
48. Where's the proposal written down? |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 03:57 PM Response to Reply #19 |
75. I agree with Patty. |
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NavyDavy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:19 PM Response to Original message |
23. there seems to be some people here trying to stir up hatred |
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wmbrew0206 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:23 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. I think if you have the the head of the VA saying it is a "consideration" |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:24 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. I agree. Other than this one proposal, Obama's budget for the VA is fantastic. |
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biopowertoday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 12:21 AM Response to Reply #26 |
44. other vet groups are involved in the criticism also............. |
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lynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:20 PM Response to Original message |
24. Did anyone check private health coverage as I'm pretty sure war related injury is excluded. - |
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NavyDavy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:22 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. some here don't care about facts.... |
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wmbrew0206 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:27 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. There are a lot more injuries in the military than "war related" |
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lynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:33 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. They would have higher premiums if they could get the coverage at all - |
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tomm2thumbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 12:54 AM Response to Reply #28 |
50. aren't active soldiers covered? is this a question about veterans or active duty? Now I'm confused |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 08:38 AM Response to Reply #50 |
54. Yes, all active duty soldiers have full coverage. |
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biopowertoday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 12:18 AM Response to Original message |
43. Its just not the AL that have grave concerns--Look here......... |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:46 AM Response to Reply #43 |
65. Yes, it's almost as though someone is sending out talking points to vet organizations. |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 12:32 AM Response to Original message |
47. I have VA benefits and also retiree medical from a former civilian employer |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 12:56 AM Response to Original message |
51. They won't do it |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 05:25 AM Response to Original message |
53. "to require private insurance carriers to reimburse the Department of Veterans Affairs " |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:25 AM Response to Reply #53 |
64. In other words, make the insurance companies pay their fair share. n/t |
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Demobrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:48 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. I'm surprised how many people here have a problem with this. |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:51 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. I think it's that the Democrats (Surprise!) have failed to get out in front of The Framing War. n/t |
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Demobrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:58 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. That too. n/t |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #64 |
77. ... which the veterans must pay via higher premiums. |
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wmbrew0206 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 03:48 PM Response to Reply #53 |
72. Your right, this health care isn't free, it has been earned. |
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Fading Captain (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 03:51 PM Response to Reply #53 |
73. Meh ... You didn't risk fuck all for the country |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
62. On the one hand, this AL guy is protecting insurance companies and being dishonest while so |
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wmbrew0206 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 03:54 PM Response to Reply #62 |
74. You are accusing the American Legion of insurance companies? That is sick! |
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One_Life_To_Give (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
63. Will this cause a Vet to be more expensive to insure? |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:04 PM Response to Reply #63 |
79. Of course it would. |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 03:08 PM Response to Original message |
69. I would like to see the "Administration's plan to force insurance companies....." |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 03:58 PM Response to Reply #69 |
76. I get my statement from my health insurance company, but no bills. VA |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
78. This isn't news it's a propaganda press release. |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
81. uhhh... this is a press release, not a real story |
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