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Lorax (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:11 AM Original message |
This teacher has had enough. |
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Bluzmann57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:16 AM Response to Original message |
1. No teacher bashing from me |
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Voice for Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 01:21 PM Response to Reply #1 |
106. One improvement that would be easy to implement would be to have high school and |
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SharonAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:35 PM Response to Reply #1 |
208. Years ago, on 60 Minutes, Andy Rooney said "We don't need better teachers. We need better parents." |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:19 AM Response to Original message |
2. Thanks for posting, Lorax. I'm sorry you quit teaching when you loved it, but I can't blame you, |
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WinstonSmith4740 (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 01:01 PM Response to Reply #2 |
100. BINGO, Racoon! |
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AlbertCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 01:56 PM Response to Reply #100 |
115. she doesn't "tell my kid what she has to do." |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:08 PM Response to Reply #115 |
205. Bingo! That is exactly where it took a nose dive |
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vietnam_war_vet (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 12:46 AM Response to Reply #100 |
235. Winston, you're so correct, RE: the GOP's deliberate effort to "dumb down" America |
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lib_wit_it (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 10:46 AM Response to Reply #100 |
261. I should have read this before I tried to say the same thing, below. You said it better! |
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zeemike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #2 |
146. She was not just paranoid. |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:20 AM Response to Original message |
3. the real shame in this is that it is probably going to be allowed to fail |
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distantearlywarning (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:20 AM Response to Original message |
4. I'm sorry. You'll get no bashing from me. |
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tangent90 (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:20 AM Response to Original message |
5. Our public education system has been taken in by a fundamental fallacy |
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Lost in CT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 10:53 AM Response to Reply #5 |
42. Hear Hear.... |
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tangent90 (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 10:56 AM Response to Reply #42 |
47. I'm amazed nobody has yet called me a racist or classist or god knows what other kind of ist. |
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Lost in CT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 10:58 AM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Make it an OP and then be prepared to duck... |
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tangent90 (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 11:04 AM Response to Reply #49 |
54. I would, but I have to leave for Seattle in a few minutes. I sure as hell don't need to be |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 12:14 PM Response to Reply #47 |
79. NAZI !! |
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tangent90 (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 12:55 PM Response to Reply #79 |
96. LOL |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:23 PM Response to Reply #47 |
157. Ha! I just delivered a sermon on Sunday about how valuing equality is absurd. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 11:01 AM Response to Reply #5 |
52. LOL |
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tangent90 (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 11:03 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. What part of |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 11:09 AM Response to Reply #53 |
57. "too abstract for you?" I get it, and I'm loving the irony. |
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callous taoboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 11:41 AM Response to Reply #57 |
63. I see that one of our |
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callous taoboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 11:46 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. 3rd grade teacher here: Check it out: |
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tangent90 (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 12:55 PM Response to Reply #64 |
94. You are ranting at yourself. |
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callous taoboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 01:55 PM Response to Reply #64 |
114. Whomever is sandwiched |
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AlbertCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 02:17 PM Response to Reply #114 |
122. I'm sorry....I don't see any teacher bashing here. |
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callous taoboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 03:16 PM Response to Reply #122 |
139. I don't use ignore lightly: |
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sense (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 03:51 PM Response to Reply #139 |
147. It's the system! No one is saying |
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callous taoboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #147 |
149. Not disagreeing with the OP. Have been thumped repeatedly |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 02:17 PM Response to Reply #114 |
123. "Whoever," |
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callous taoboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 03:13 PM Response to Reply #123 |
137. Whatever! |
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tangent90 (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 12:56 PM Response to Reply #57 |
97. You still can't read. I've defended teachers a hundred times, it is the SYSTEM |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 02:06 PM Response to Reply #53 |
119. no one is arguing about that |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 02:34 PM Response to Reply #119 |
127. Thank you, Two Americas. nt |
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MedleyMisty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 08:53 PM Response to Reply #119 |
202. I see it as "from each according to his/her abilities, to each according to his/her needs" |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:45 PM Response to Reply #202 |
212. I agree with you |
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unapatriciated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 08:08 AM Response to Reply #119 |
253. yes thank you... |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 11:49 AM Response to Reply #5 |
66. I disagree |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 12:39 PM Response to Reply #5 |
87. Nor do we know who is whom |
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tangent90 (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 01:04 PM Response to Reply #87 |
102. Thanks, you did a very nice job of expanding on my observation! |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 02:13 PM Response to Reply #102 |
121. Yup |
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sense (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #87 |
150. That's the same crap that the teachers use to dismiss |
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CubicleGuy (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 01:54 PM Response to Reply #5 |
113. According to Albert Jay Nock... |
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AlbertCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 02:31 PM Response to Reply #113 |
126. we stopped educating people here long ago. |
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tooko13 (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 03:56 PM Response to Reply #113 |
148. Response |
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AlbertCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 06:04 PM Response to Reply #148 |
175. With respect to using vocations as a means of learning... that in and of itself is not a bad idea |
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eppur_se_muova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:00 PM Response to Reply #113 |
151. "What we do do is to train people to enter a vocation" --- yes yes that's the way Repukes want it... |
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sense (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:03 PM Response to Reply #113 |
153. Short history tour |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 03:23 PM Response to Reply #5 |
140. Your fallacy doesn't exist. |
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sense (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:11 PM Response to Reply #140 |
154. The system has been dumbed down! |
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MedleyMisty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:47 PM Response to Reply #140 |
214. My high school didn't have IB |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 10:01 PM Response to Reply #214 |
218. but you had AP and non-AP |
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sense (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 03:47 PM Response to Reply #5 |
145. delete. |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 06:08 PM Response to Reply #5 |
176. President Kennedy |
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BobTheSubgenius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 03:21 AM Response to Reply #5 |
243. OK. Guess I'll trot out my Political Incorrectness here. |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 06:45 AM Response to Reply #5 |
247. Welcome to DU! |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 09:23 AM Response to Reply #5 |
259. I'm not going to call you racist or classist, simply ignorant |
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PufPuf23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:20 AM Response to Original message |
6. Generic teacher bashing is scapegoating BS nt |
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T Wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:22 AM Response to Original message |
7. Let's see how many on this "progressive Democratic" board will support your (IMO) accurate |
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distantearlywarning (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:25 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. I agree. |
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Chorophyll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 12:40 PM Response to Reply #7 |
88. Agreed. Good post. nt |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #7 |
128. Exactly nt |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:26 AM Response to Original message |
9. Do all of that and also quadruple teacher pay... |
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Lost in CT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 10:55 AM Response to Reply #9 |
45. So teachers should make 200k a year on average???? |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 11:48 AM Response to Reply #45 |
65. Highest paid? |
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Lost in CT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 12:37 PM Response to Reply #65 |
85. Teacher pay averages do not include benifits... which are many |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 12:50 PM Response to Reply #85 |
93. They do include benefits here. |
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eilen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 09:01 AM Response to Reply #93 |
255. Here is teacher salary information from NY |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 12:59 PM Response to Reply #85 |
98. Hours? Most work plenty at home |
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Lost in CT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 01:12 PM Response to Reply #98 |
105. I wasn't saying they are overpaid now I am saying they don't need a 400% raise, |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:21 PM Response to Reply #98 |
206. family literacy nights---home visits eom |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 02:40 AM Response to Reply #65 |
241. re: "certainly underpaid for my education" |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 08:01 PM Response to Reply #45 |
194. I have no problem whatsoever with teaching being paid commensurately with... |
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Justyce (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 06:10 PM Response to Reply #45 |
267. No kidding. That salary & summers off, sign me up! |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 02:36 AM Response to Reply #9 |
240. I really don't see how quadrupling pay and negating the value ... |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
10. Public education is NOT broken, except in some school districts. |
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NC_Nurse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
11. Agreed. Blaming teachers is the easy way out. It's bullshit. Of course there are |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:39 AM Response to Reply #11 |
24. "Of course there are some sub par teachers" - Nope - it's not possible to say that... |
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tangent90 (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:55 AM Response to Reply #24 |
29. sub par = better |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 05:04 PM Response to Reply #24 |
162. According to par I guess. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 04:04 AM Response to Reply #24 |
244. At what point does one stop spreading propaganda |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 07:36 PM Response to Reply #244 |
269. You're welcome to go right ahead and alert me. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 07:41 PM Response to Reply #269 |
271. Alrighty, thanks. Carry on. nt |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
12. You express the feeling of many teachers! |
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Possumpoint (937 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:29 AM Response to Original message |
13. Having Grown Up In The Catholic School System |
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driver8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:29 AM Response to Original message |
14. My wife is a teacher and left the classroom for many of the reasons you mentioned. |
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peace13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:30 AM Response to Original message |
15. Number one, don't judge the world by DU comments. |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 11:37 AM Response to Reply #15 |
62. Especially when only 2 or 3 people are teacher bashing |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #62 |
129. 2 or 3 is a gross mischaracterization, sorry. nt |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 01:59 PM Response to Reply #15 |
117. blame, blame, blame |
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snappyturtle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 07:11 PM Response to Reply #117 |
185. Blame? I didn't read about blame. I did read the OP's suggestions |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 07:51 PM Response to Reply #185 |
193. the political right wing |
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snappyturtle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 10:38 PM Response to Reply #193 |
220. My mistake. nt |
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snappyturtle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 10:38 PM Response to Reply #193 |
221. My mistake. nt |
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peace13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 08:18 PM Response to Reply #117 |
196. My reply had to do with personal experiences as a parent. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:48 PM Response to Reply #196 |
215. understood |
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kickysnana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:30 AM Response to Original message |
16. I have been using my "Ignore" button liberally this month for the idiots who type without thinking. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:31 AM Response to Original message |
17. Teacher here, checking in. |
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Serial Mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
18. Wow, your anaylsis of what to fix is spectacular! One to add.. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:34 AM Response to Original message |
19. Lorax- most of us have a great respect for teachers. |
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trayfoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:35 AM Response to Original message |
20. From a colleague WELL SAID!!!!! |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
21. Thank you for your post. |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:38 AM Response to Original message |
22. We get the education system we pay for |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:38 AM Response to Original message |
23. Thanks Lorax. Keep us in your prayers or send good vibes |
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peacefreak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
25. Thank you for this post & |
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jjanpundt (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
26. No bashing from me either. Not only do class sizes need to be |
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Lost in CT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 10:57 AM Response to Reply #26 |
48. I agree this is a serious problem... nt |
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City of Mills (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
27. K&R |
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ATOMain (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
28. There is simply not enough respect for the honorable profession of teaching anymore |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
30. The destruction of the educational system has been deliberate |
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EmilyAnne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 10:09 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Excellent points here. Especially.... |
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FloridaJudy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 03:42 PM Response to Reply #31 |
144. Amen! |
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prairierose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 10:46 AM Response to Reply #30 |
40. Thank you for that very articulate response... |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 01:52 PM Response to Reply #40 |
111. 1981...hummmm....who took office then, I wonder? nt |
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RufusTFirefly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 11:06 AM Response to Reply #30 |
55. Yes. Son of a teacher and a newspaperman weighing in here |
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lib_wit_it (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 12:59 PM Response to Reply #30 |
99. Exactly--institutional anti-intellectualism is right wing philosophy and policy |
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lib_wit_it (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 01:02 PM Response to Reply #99 |
101. I had to leave teaching for very similar reasons. The best-loved teachers in my school were |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 11:45 PM Response to Reply #101 |
226. Some of us... |
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lib_wit_it (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 10:40 AM Response to Reply #226 |
260. And this is how the shysters take over, Destroy those who dare |
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Chorophyll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 01:28 PM Response to Reply #30 |
107. Right! And from what I've seen |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 07:10 AM Response to Reply #30 |
249. it is idiocracy |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 08:00 AM Response to Reply #30 |
252. agreed and thanks. nt |
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RebelOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
32. You won't hear any bashing from me. My daughter is a teacher |
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TWiley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
33. You quit in the Ninth Inning...... major funding for schools on the way |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 12:32 PM Response to Reply #33 |
83. Not under Duncan...he wants the money to go to more testing and charter schools. |
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QueenOfCalifornia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
34. As I dropped my kids off |
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erinlough (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
35. First thank you for your post. You know what? |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 01:53 PM Response to Reply #35 |
112. excellent post |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 08:09 AM Response to Reply #35 |
254. we are starting down this road in health care also. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
36. Great post |
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CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
37. You'll never hear teacher bashing from me, Lorax! |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
38. I have the utmost repsect for public school teachers |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
39. I am Sick of the Bashing, Too. |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
41. Anyone who bashes teachers is an idiot. |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
43. Coming from another teacher... |
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BleedingHeartRN (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
44. Well I have my listening ears on! |
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gaspee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
46. Only a simple minded person |
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GOPBasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
50. This former teacher agrees with everything you said. n/t |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
51. I blame... |
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arthritisR_US (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
56. blame the teachers, blame the Unions and then bail out Wall Street thieves all |
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RiverStone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
58. 20 year educator here in full agreement |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
59. Thank you SO much... |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
60. People that have lived overseas and see the difference knows that the system is broke. |
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enigmatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
61. I agree |
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callous taoboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
67. This teachers says "right on!" Thank you! Please see how well my kids did this year up thread.eom |
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Stargazer09 (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
68. Thank you for posting this |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
69. I have great respect for teachers. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
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renate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. welcome to DU! And good for you! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 12:15 PM Response to Reply #73 |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
72. Three of your issues are at home |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 07:04 PM Response to Reply #72 |
184. well thought out, |
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Left coast liberal (889 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
74. Don't let the knuckle draggers get you down... |
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Wednesdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
75. My kid's charter middle school has "No Excuses" posted over every doorway |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
76. Quite. I too dislike people who blindly blame schools (and/or their unions). |
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sense (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:29 PM Response to Reply #76 |
159. Jobs is extremely gifted and didn't fit into |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
77. Thank God for the Cooking and Baking Forum. |
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callous taoboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:01 PM Response to Reply #77 |
152. Maybe thank a home-ec teacher for some of the fine ideas there? |
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kentauros (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 07:48 PM Response to Reply #152 |
192. Or not |
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JPZenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
78. No one allowed to learn - to help test scores |
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2Design (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
81. schools have become too dangerous to even teach in anymore |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
82. Smaller classes. |
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knixphan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
84. K&R from the son of a teacher |
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Chorophyll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
86. No teacher bashing here. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
89. I agree with you 100% |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
90. no bashing from me either. |
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LeftHander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
91. But that would mean higher property and income taxes..... |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
92. parents play a bigger part in a child's education, and deserve more blame/credit than any teacher. |
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DollyM (837 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 03:11 PM Response to Reply #92 |
136. I realize it . . . |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:20 PM Response to Reply #136 |
155. i disagree that parents have "had their confidence eroded over the years in ... ability to parent". |
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DollyM (837 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 05:49 PM Response to Reply #155 |
172. I disagree that MOST of parents are plain lazy and selfish . . . |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 08:37 PM Response to Reply #172 |
200. i was referring to the ones that have problems raising their 'problem' children... |
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MedleyMisty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:57 PM Response to Reply #172 |
217. My father died when I was seven |
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DollyM (837 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 11:02 PM Response to Reply #217 |
223. There are single mother's who work and still homeschool . . . . |
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sense (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 12:21 AM Response to Reply #223 |
233. I agree |
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kaygore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
95. I have taught pre-service teachers over the year and none went into |
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tomm2thumbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
103. great teachers rock |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
104. Driving through a redneck area of CA a few months ago, I saw a sign for a "Christian School" |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 12:01 AM Response to Reply #104 |
229. Of course there is no homework. |
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happygoluckytoyou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
108. does everyone understand.... it is NOT in the RICH's interest to train the POOR, class warfare is ON |
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specimenfred1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
109. Yeah but the new camara looks great |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
110. Kicked, rec'd & bookmarked |
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emmadoggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
116. K & R from me. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
118. Right, teachers have been getting blamed for what has gone wrong with the ... |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
120. 100% unqualified support here |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
124. Many good ideas here. nt |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
125. IMO a major problem is that teacher pay is too low to attract enough good teachers. |
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Lorax (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 02:53 PM Response to Reply #125 |
131. It's not about the pay! |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 03:13 PM Response to Reply #125 |
138. Attract? "RETAIN" is more the problem. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 06:49 PM Response to Reply #125 |
182. puting a price tag on human beings |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
130. Teachers need to be thanked for their service and sacrifice. nt |
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DollyM (837 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
132. we home school so we get bashed too! |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:46 PM Response to Reply #132 |
160. Some home schoolers follow no curriculum. nt |
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DollyM (837 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 05:38 PM Response to Reply #160 |
169. Agreed . . . |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 06:12 PM Response to Reply #169 |
177. I understand that |
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DollyM (837 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 07:41 PM Response to Reply #177 |
190. Let me address a couple of things . . . |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 08:23 PM Response to Reply #190 |
198. Good for you and best wishes. nt |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 12:18 AM Response to Reply #190 |
232. One caveat. |
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DollyM (837 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 02:26 PM Response to Reply #232 |
264. We did live in Oklahoma! |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #132 |
167. Thanks for coming over and joining our DU homeschooling group. |
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sallylou666 (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
133. K&R from former teacher |
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winyanstaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 03:06 PM Response to Original message |
134. America cannot blame the teachers when our government wants to dumb down the population |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 07:19 PM Response to Reply #134 |
188. "Serfin USA" |
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Joey Dog (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 03:08 PM Response to Original message |
135. I Agree--Enough Is Enough |
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dcindian (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
141. Thank you for your service. Teachers are heros in my book. |
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sellitman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
142. Maybe because I'm not a teacher I have not noticed the bashing here. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
143. I support teachers. I want the education system fixed. Most teachers are great and work for far to |
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Lorax (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:25 PM Response to Reply #143 |
158. Are you a teacher? |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 05:52 PM Response to Reply #158 |
173. Please believe me that I support teachers. But the current system has failed. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 06:23 PM Response to Reply #143 |
178. "so the administrations don't even try" umm |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 11:53 PM Response to Reply #178 |
227. Thank you for your interest and response. See below. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 01:07 AM Response to Reply #227 |
236. Alright |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 04:39 PM Response to Reply #236 |
265. I agree that firing teachers is a little drastic. I believe that most of the ones I am talking about |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 07:34 PM Response to Reply #265 |
268. Agreed, nice chatting with ya. nt |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 09:48 PM Response to Reply #268 |
272. Same to yah. nm |
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jazzjunkysue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
156. Bashers can go get 6 years of college, pass all the tests and then wake up at 5:15 |
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Coventina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 07:40 PM Response to Reply #156 |
270. Yeah, I've always wondered about the teacher bashers who |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
161. Step One: Get a government who cares. |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 07:12 PM Response to Reply #161 |
186. It has to be all levels of Government |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #186 |
263. Correct. But the big kahuna are the 3 branches of the federal gummint. |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 05:57 PM Response to Reply #263 |
266. The Federal Governments roll in education |
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cooolandrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
163. Well, from me personally there's been no teacher bashing it's a tough job I respect that. |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
164. Here's an idea... |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
165. Republicans are openly trying to destroy public schools. Arne Duncan is trying to do it politely |
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antimatter98 (537 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
166. I tried teaching at the Univ. level--they told me I was too good to the students. |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
168. I would add give the teachers autonomy about how to reach goals instead of giving them |
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Daphne08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 05:39 PM Response to Original message |
170. K & R by a former teacher. n/t |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 05:47 PM Response to Original message |
171. I Thank all of you incredible people called"TEACHERS" I respect you and your job |
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eppur_se_muova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 06:02 PM Response to Original message |
174. You'll love this quote! "Everyone thinks that anybody who went to school can teach. ..." |
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jazzjunkysue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:47 PM Response to Reply #174 |
213. Very well said. Same thing goes for root canal, and heart surgery, |
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ourbluenation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
179. Brav fricking ro!!!! K and R!!!! |
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VermeerLives (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 06:38 PM Response to Original message |
180. Lorax, you deserve a medal! |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 06:43 PM Response to Original message |
181. Silimar problems in my job as a nurse. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
183. And those are the fixes being proposed |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 07:15 PM Response to Original message |
187. k*r You're the best! Thank you |
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cmd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 07:40 PM Response to Original message |
189. This retired teacher can't add anything to your post but K&R |
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pleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 07:46 PM Response to Original message |
191. K&R |
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muntrv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 08:03 PM Response to Original message |
195. No teacher bashing from me. I blame the parents who don't care if their kid |
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stevedeshazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 08:20 PM Response to Original message |
197. Lorax, you speak for the teachers. I know many of them. They would agree. |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 08:33 PM Response to Original message |
199. Thank You Lorax |
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trickyguy (461 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 08:41 PM Response to Original message |
201. I teach piano privately and even that is getting dicey these days. Good luck to us all. |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:05 PM Response to Original message |
203. Take this, teacher bashers. |
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starzdust (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:06 PM Response to Original message |
204. Teacher had enough |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:22 PM Response to Original message |
207. I think it's insane that most people take the word of their kid over the teacher when there is a |
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tinkerbell41 (722 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
209. Bigger Problem |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
210. One more, get rid of zero-tolerance policies |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:44 PM Response to Original message |
211. you paint everyone with the same brush. n/t |
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Tab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 09:50 PM Response to Original message |
216. Remember THIS? |
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Unca Jim (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
219. Nice to see |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 10:47 PM Response to Original message |
222. Lorax, we live on opposite coasts but share almost the exact same experience... |
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The_Casual_Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 11:18 PM Response to Original message |
224. You deal with rooms full of unmotivated screwed up people all day |
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lostnotforgotten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 11:19 PM Response to Original message |
225. Lorax - I Love Teachers - No Teacher Bashing From Me - Your Words Ring True To Me |
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ekwhite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 11:57 PM Response to Original message |
228. Gladly kicked and recommended |
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Liberal_Christian (387 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 12:06 AM Response to Original message |
230. I am very thankful that I've never seen DU forums on teachers being "whiny incompetent boobs"... |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 12:10 AM Response to Original message |
231. We need to eliminate private and home schooling |
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sense (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 01:59 AM Response to Reply #231 |
238. What an idiotic thing to say. |
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pacalo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 12:22 AM Response to Original message |
234. Oh, Lorax... |
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mackerel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 01:18 AM Response to Reply #234 |
237. The reason I left teaching was mostly do to the parents not |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 02:34 AM Response to Original message |
239. I feel for you. |
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BobTheSubgenius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 02:45 AM Response to Original message |
242. I couldn't have more sympathy, Lorax. |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 04:18 AM Response to Original message |
245. The biggest problem is the lazy parents. |
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carlyhippy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 07:29 AM Response to Reply #245 |
251. agreed |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 04:36 AM Response to Original message |
246. I would venture to say we have more sub-par politicians than teachers. |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 06:59 AM Response to Original message |
248. I agree! Blaming teachers is a total cop out and doesn't help identify why kids won't learn |
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carlyhippy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 07:26 AM Response to Original message |
250. No teacher bashing here, kids were "taught" by their parents 4-5 years before they enter the system |
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martigras (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
256. This teacher has also had enough! |
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TornadoTN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 09:19 AM Response to Reply #256 |
257. WELL SAID! My wife feels the same |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 09:21 AM Response to Original message |
258. Best teacher post ever! |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
262. great post! Teachers rock! |
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