Pope Benedict XVI: condoms make Aids crisis worse

[OwnedByFerrets]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/vaticancityandholysee/5005357/Pope-Benedict-XVI-condoms-make-Aids-crisis-worse.html

While en route from Rome to his first stop, Cameroon, the Pope said that the condition was "a tragedy that cannot be overcome by money alone, that cannot be overcome through the distribution of condoms, which even aggravates the problems."





:wtf:

[tekisui]

1. What a dipshit.

[saltpoint]

2. Not sure who sat down for "the talk" with this guy when he was 11 years old

but somewhere along the way, the facts got left behind.

[Veritas_et_Aequitas]

6. I'm begining to think that he was taught

that genitals spontaneously created super-diseases immune to all known medicines.

[saltpoint]

8. It wouldn't surprise me. He continues to seem well, antiquated,

not to put too sharp a point on it.

[Hippo_Tron]

46. Well age 11 is probably about the time he was at Nazi Youth Camp

So I think that should answer your question.

[saltpoint]

47. Hi, Hippo_Tron.

Well, the real problem with my post is I can't tell a joke.

But it does seem as if most 5th or 6th graders or so could give the Pope some instruction on basic physiology.


:hi:

[Hippo_Tron]

49. Mine was meant in a humorous manner as well

[roguevalley]

56. it amazes me that someone who does not live in a world that allows

sex and has reached 86 or whatever would venture an opinion. That he is a lifelong celebate, ignored the pedophile problem saying it was an American phenomenon, headed the Inquisition, fought for Hitler and is a total dickhead about how real people live and contemptuous of their right to choose the quality of their life would expose his genuinely deficient ignorance and lack of compassion amazes me. Include papal infallibility -the biggest ha-ha of all- and you have a perfect storm of irrelevancy.

[truebrit71]

3. And we should care what Pope Rat the Nazi thinks why?

..

[OwnedByFerrets]

24. Because millions think he is the voice of god?

[Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel]

51. Perhaps

Their are some people out their think he changed his ways and took to god for forgiveness and thinks he deserves to be the pope...

[RaleighNCDUer]

4. He's not quite right about that.

condoms don't aggravate the problem - they aggravate HIM.

[Veritas_et_Aequitas]

5. Economic models and common sense disagree with you, sir.

Just do us progressive Catholics a favorite and stay home. We'll get your fuzzy slippers on and find something on TVLand for you to watch. Maybe we can find you a cat to play with and hang out with. We progressive Catholics are going to head out and start dealing with the world's problems in a practical way that doesn't interfere with our faith. We'll call you to let you know how things are going and if we need any heavy-hitting theological decision made.

[edbermac]

7. Great! A guy who practices celibacy lecturing us on sex.

:wtf:

[Veritas_et_Aequitas]

9. To be fair some of the best advice I've gotten on women came from a priest.

Of course, my priest-friend lived a very interesting and full life before finding his vocation.

Anyway, I do share your outrage with this situation.

[kiranon]

20. Like what?

[Veritas_et_Aequitas]

26. That if I wanted a good long-lasting relationship

shared values and beliefs (not necessarily religious) would go a much longer way than my ability to make her laugh or her ability to keep me entertained with witty conversation.

External beauty is nice, but in 20 years it's going to fade (though that's fairly common sense).

Stuff like that.

Oh, and don't be afraid to date outside the faith. As things start to get serious, religious issues will tend to sort themselves out, although sometimes you have to apply some effort to strike a compromise or understanding (this bit has helped a lot with the current girlfriend).

[burning rain]

44. Dunno....

He was known for having that hunky personal assistant....

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[L0oniX]

11. Why do people even bother to pay attention to that asshole?

:shrug:

[Javaman]

12. mr. pointy hat, once again proves he's irrelevant. nt

[Jokerman]

13. Pope Benedict XVI makes Aids crisis worse. n/t

[EvolveOrConvolve]

14. Scary, but not surprising

I'm waiting for the apologists to show up on this thread with the old "what he really meant to say was..." line.

[zbdent]

15. self-delete

[bullwinkle428]

16. Well, then the Catholic Church should be passing out birth control pills like candy -

using their logic, pregnancy rates will clearly skyrocket!

[pansypoo53219]

17. cult.

still living in the 12th century. BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH HUMANS.

[SidDithers]

18. This is why religions need to go the way of the dodo...nt

Sid

[Veritas_et_Aequitas]

29. And athiests who spout that

are usually the fundamentalists of the left; extremists and unyielding to reality.

[hiphopnation]

50. which is a wholly fantastical and unrealistic hope

more modern, common sense and realistic religions, however...is that too much to ask?

:shrug:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

19. asshole. hope he rots in hell. nt

[11 Bravo]

21. In a follow-up, his Holiness blamed seat belts for an increase in traffic deaths.

[Arugula Latte]

22. Good thing he's infallible and all that.

:eyes:

[Veritas_et_Aequitas]

27. What do you mean? nt

[Arugula Latte]

31. Just commenting on the Catholic dogma that holds that the Pope is always right, no matter what,

even when he's a stupid git who mouths off on all sorts of crap he doesn't know jack squat about.

[Marrah_G]

32. Techincally he is only absolutely right in certain circumstances

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Papal infallibility is the dogma in Catholic theology that, by action of the Holy Spirit, the Pope is preserved from even the possibility of error<1> when he solemnly declares or promulgates to the Church a dogmatic teaching on faith or morals as being contained in divine revelation, or at least being intimately connected to divine revelation. It is also taught that the Holy Spirit works in the body of the Church, as sensus fidei, to ensure that dogmatic teachings proclaimed to be infallible will be received by all Catholics. This dogma, however, does not state that the Pope cannot commit sin in his own personal life.

This doctrine was defined dogmatically in the First Vatican Council of 1870. According to Catholic theology, there are several concepts important to the understanding of infallible, divine revelation: Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition, and the Sacred Magisterium. The infallible teachings of the pope are part of the Sacred Magisterium, which also consists of ecumenical councils and the "ordinary and universal magisterium". In Catholic theology, papal infallibility is one of the channels of the infallibility of the Church. The infallible teachings of the pope must be based on, or at least not contradict, Sacred Tradition or Sacred Scripture. Papal infallibility does not signify that the pope is impeccable, i.e., that he is specially exempt from liability to sin.

In practice, popes seldom use their power of infallibility, but rely on the notion that the Church allows the office of the pope to be the ruling agent in deciding what will be accepted as formal beliefs in the church."<2> Since the solemn declaration of Papal Infallibility by Vatican I on July 18, 1870, this power has been used only once ex cathedra: in 1950 when Pope Pius XII defined the Assumption of Mary as being an article of faith for Roman Catholics. Prior to the solemn definition of 1870, Pope Pius IX, with the support of the overwhelming majority of Roman Catholic bishops, had proclaimed Immaculate Conception an ex cathedra dogma in December 1854.

[Veritas_et_Aequitas]

34. I'm kind of surprised Wiki has such a decent article on

such a misunderstood topic.

Another Catholic fun fact: any proclamations made at an ecumenical council are considered infallible. Also, it is possible for a teaching to be infallible if every bishop in the world simultaneously promulgates it, although this has never happened.

[Veritas_et_Aequitas]

33. Marrah's nailed it.

I don't really care what your opinion of my religion is. I'm just a stickler for getting things right. :p

So the day he speaks ex cathedra and uses whatever little formula it is (I used to know it. Forgot it long ago.) and states "Condoms are evil" then your statement will be correct.

[Marrah_G]

36. Its surprising also how few Catholics know this

Instead they assume the Pope is just Perma-Infallible.

[Echo In Light]

23. Another example of "Christian" leaders doing the exact opposite of what Christ would have

[TK421]

25. Such a shame his father didn't use one n/t

[OwnedByFerrets]

39. I was gonna put that in the OP, but decided to let someone else....

ty for doing it for me.:evilgrin:

[backscatter712]

28. You gotta love the wisdom from His Effeminance...

:wtf:

[LeftHander]

30. Republicans and Christian Leaders are from bizarro world. nt

[devilgrrl]

35. You Catholic bashers!

:sarcasm:

[Warren DeMontague]

37. Don't put a hat on that jimmy

he should talk.

[SurfingScientist]

38. Well spoken, your HOLE-iness. (n/t)

[donheld]

40. Someone tie a condom on the pontiff

Over his face!

[Roon]

41. CONDOMS!?!?!

THEY COME STRAIGHT FROM SATAN'S TOYBOX!!!!

[Iggo]

42. He's infallible. It's in their rules.

So I guess it's true.

[burning rain]

43. The only thing I can think of that Ratzo might have in mind...

is the hoary Catholic doctrine that condoms instantiate the sinful desire to separate doing the hucklebuck from procreation. Unless he is trying to give countenance to the shameful dishonest propaganda that HIV can pass through condoms.

[Hugabear]

45. Common sense: Catholic Church makes world worse

Has been doing so for centuries.

[slay]

48. I was about to say the same thing!

Or something very similar like "Pope makes AIDS crisis worse by choosing dogma over facts." Either way - great minds and what not.. :)

[B3Nut]

52. I think it's a mixed bag myself...

...on the one hand, you've got dogmas ranging from the amusing to the asinine to the destructively erroneous (as evidenced by Mr. Really Large Hat above)...on the other hand you've got (in many parishes at least) a strong sense of social justice, and some of the finest art, architecture and music mankind has ever created. It's a mindboggling jumble of paradoxes...on some levels I am aghast, and on others I am amazed. It almost seems to embody both Mankind's Greatest Screwups and Mankind's Greatest Hits all rolled together...I must confess I find the whole thing fascinating. Incidentally, the multichannel Super Audio CD of a Mass composed by the French composer Charles-Marie Widor recorded at St. Sulpice Church in Paris is one of the most breathtakingly-sublime classical recordings I've ever purchased. Freaking gorgeous music.

Todd in Cheesecurdistan

[MiniMe]

53. I can understand where he is coming from, since the church is against birth control

But saying it is making things worse is a sin imho. Say 2 people are going to have sex, and the choice isn't abstinence or birth control. Is it really worse to get aids than to wear a damn condom?

[Fearless]

54. Fewer condoms = more Catholics

Duh.

[Toucano]

55. Can't he be committed to an institution for the criminally insane? n-t