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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 07:36 PM
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Arne Duncan speaks of more testing and use of stimulus money for testing databases...
Testing databases paid for with stimulus money to aid in connecting teachers to students' test score. Can you say using the stimulus to hasten merit pay?

Part of the stimulus money, he told Sam Dillon of The New York Times, will be used so that states can develop data systems, which will enable them to tie individual student test scores to individual teachers, greasing the way for merit pay. Another part of the stimulus plan will support charters and entrepreneurs.


So instead of helping students in traditional public schools, he intends to use the stimulus money to do more testing and grade the teachers thusly. I did not think the education stimulus money was intended that way. I thought it was to build up public schools.

Start with Arne Duncan and some very intriguing statements like increasing testing and tieing student performance to teachers by databases. His very own words.

Is Arne Duncan really Margaret Spelling?

"However, based on what I have seen to date, I conclude that Obama has given President George W. Bush a third term in education policy and that Arne Duncan is the male version of Margaret Spellings. Maybe he really is Margaret Spellings without the glasses and wearing very high heels. We all know that Secretary Spellings greeted Duncan's appointment with glee. She wrote him an open letter in which she praised him as "a fellow reformer" who supports NCLB and anticipated that he would continue the work of the Bush administration. (Recall, Deborah, that the media today defines an education reformer as someone who endorses Republican principles of choice and accountability.)

Everything I have seen and learned since Duncan came to office has supported Secretary Spellings' admiring comments about Secretary Duncan. It turns out that Duncan, like the Bush administration, adores testing, charter schools, merit pay, and entrepreneurs. Part of the stimulus money, he told Sam Dillon of The New York Times, will be used so that states can develop data systems, which will enable them to tie individual student test scores to individual teachers, greasing the way for merit pay. Another part of the stimulus plan will support charters and entrepreneurs.

Duncan paid his first visit to New York City last week ("New Education Secretary Visits Brooklyn School," New York Times, Feb. 19, 2009). He did not visit a regular public school, but a charter school. Such decisions are not happenstance; they are intended to send a message. Bear in mind that the regular public schools enroll 98 percent of the city's one-million-plus students.

At the charter school, Duncan endorsed the core principles of the Bush education program. According to the account in the Times, Secretary Duncan said that "increasing the use of testing across the country should also be a spending priority." And he made this astonishing statement: "We should be able to look every second grader in the eye and say, 'You're on track, you're going to be able to go to a good college, or you're not...Right now, in too many states, quite frankly, we lie to children. We lie to them and we lie to their families."

Wow! More testing is needed. In New York City right now, students take a dozen tests a year. How many more should they take? How much of the stimulus package will be used to promote more testing across the country?"


More from Arne on testing. He likes evaluating all the school workers on how the students do.

Charlie Rose: Around how will you measure their performance?

Arne Duncan: There are a number of ways to measure. You measure by student achievement, not just in the classroom level, at the school level. What we did at home is we didn't just reward teachers based on what the students are doing. We rewarded every adult in those buildings, the custodians, the security guards, the social workers, the lunch room attendants.


And he only wants the best for the charter schools. How in the world is that real free market competition, Arne?

So where we have great innovation, we need to support that, replicate that, do more of it. So we have a group of charter that are running five schools and getting great, great student achievement. We should do 10. Let me explain the process. You need to have a very rigorous front end process. You should only be picking the best of the best to open their schools. This is not let a thousand flowers bloom, because you'll just get mediocrity and you'll perpetuate the status quo, very tough funding process. And then you need both great autonomy, you have to give them the autonomy to flourish, but also real accountability.

Charlie Rose interviews Arne Duncan


"let a thousand flowers bloom"

We hear that in the traditional public schools, but Duncan does not think that would be worthy of charter schools. How sad. He only wants the best for those schools.

As a retired teacher I would take the thousand blooming flowers from all walks of life, all abilities, all backgrounds. That is true education. Not handpicking the elite.

There are groups contributing money to charter schools.

Walmart is a major player in pushing charter schools.

Charter schools and attack on public education

"Friedman chose as his last battle before dying in 2006 to use his clout to push for the privatization of New Orleans’ public schools.4 He advocated for vouchers—government-funded certificates permitting parents to send their child to the school of their choice—but those who support his ideas have switched tracks slightly, pushing now for charter schools.

A charter school is any school that is funded publicly but governed by institutions outside the public school system. A company, a non-governmental organization, a university, or any group of people who write a charter can become autonomous from a public school board and control the budget, curriculum, and select the group of students in a school. They receive public money, and, in exchange, they set out quantifiable results that they will achieve. One quarter of charter schools are run by for-profit operators (called EMOs, Educational Management Organizations), but most are run by nonprofit entities (usually grouped under CMOs, Charter Management Organizations.)"


Now to the role of the Walton family in pushing these schools.

The Walton Family Foundation of Wal-Mart is the single biggest investor in charter schools in the United States, giving $50 million a year to support them.21 The Waltons specialize in giving money to opponents of public education. “Empowering parents to choose among competing schools,” said John Walton, son of Wal-Mart’s founder, “will catalyze improvement across the entire K–12 education system.”22 According to a National Committee for Responsive Philanthropy (NCRP) report, “Some critics argue that it is the beginning of the ‘Wal-Martization’ of education, and a move to for-profit schooling, from which the family could potentially financially benefit. John Walton owned 240,000 shares of Tesseract Group Inc. (formerly known as Education Alternatives Inc.), which is a for-profit company that develops/manages charter and private schools as well as public schools.”23 Wal-Mart is a notorious union-busting firm, famous for keeping its health-care costs down by discouraging unhealthy people from working at its stores, paying extremely low wages with poor benefits, and violating child labor laws. The company has reportedly looted more than $1 billion in economic development subsidies from state and local governments.24 Its so-called philanthropy seems also to be geared to the looting of public treasuries.

As for a coordinated effort, the private incursion into public schools is being pushed by a band of jackals grouped around Bill Gates and the $2 billion that his Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation have sunk into the education “reform” movement. The foundation funded a 2006 study by the New Commission on the Skills of the American Workforce called Tough Choices or Tough Times, “signed by a bipartisan collection of prominent politicians, businesspeople, and urban school superintendents,” which "called for a series of measures including: (a) replacing public schools with what the report called “contract schools,” which would be charter schools writ large; (b) eliminating nearly all the powers of local school boards—their role would be to write and sign the authorizing agreements for the contract schools; (c) eliminating teacher pensions and slashing health benefits; and (d) forcing all 10th graders to take a high school exit examination based on 12th grade skills, and terminating the education of those who failed (i.e., throwing millions of students out into the streets as they turn 16)"


Another definition that charter schools are deregulated.

Charter schools

"Defining charter schools is difficult given both the variety of the charter school statutes and the types of schools that have been created. Simply, charter schools are public schools that are freed from, in most cases, local and state regulations. A contract is formed when the charter school is created outlining the details of how the school will be organized and managed, what students will be taught and expected to achieve, and how success will be measured. In return for freedom, charter schools are held accountable for student performance - if the goals of the school set forth in the charter are not reached, the school's charter is not renewed."


More calls coming now for overhaul of the laws governing these schools. The pressure will be on as our new president has called for more of these schools to open.

Charter school problems surfacing

"A growing chorus of legislators and others say the law that launched the educational experiment needs an overhaul.

An Inquirer examination reveals:

The law allows little scrutiny of charters. Districts approve charters but have limited power to shut them down. The state exercises scant oversight on charter spending, which totals more than $633 million this year.


The law dictates a crazy-quilt pattern of funding for charters. Each district pays a different amount even when the students attend the same charter. For example, Philadelphia pays $8,088 per student; Jenkintown, $15,174. Cybers get the same payments as other charters even though students receive online instruction at home."


More details on funding of charter schools...and yes, they do take public money that public traditional schools used to get.

Charter school funding

"Charter schools are public schools. Like district public schools, they are funded according to enrollment (also called average daily attendance, or ADA), and receive funding from the district and the state according to the number of students attending. The ways and amounts at which charters are funded compared to their district counterparts differ dramatically in an individual state and even in individual communities within a state. Nationwide, on average, charter schools are funded at 61 percent of their district counterparts, averaging $6,585 per pupil compared to $10,771 per pupil at conventional district public schools. For more information and state-by-state funding comparisons, go to Following the Money.

Unlike traditional district schools, most charter schools do not receive funding to cover the cost of securing a facility. Conversion schools begin with established capital, namely the school and its facilities. A few states provide capital funding to start-up schools, and some start-up schools are able to take over available unused district space, but most must rely on other, independent means. Recent federal legislation provides funding to help charters with start-up costs, but the task remains imposing."


Just imagine public schools being well-funded, hiring good teachers with degrees, paying them fairly and well...and then may I quote Alfie Kohn from 1998:

I don't have the link, but the article is from 1998 from an article called Challenging Behaviorist Dogma: Myths About Money and Motivation.

To create a more democratic and collaborative workplace is not inconsistent with compensating people adequately for what they do. I am not arguing against money, which is necessary and even nice. I am arguing against (1) attributing more importance to money than it actually has, (2) pushing money into people's faces and making it more salient than it needs to be, and (3) confusing compensation with reward (the latter being unnecessary and counterproductive). The problem isn't with the dollars themselves, but with using dollars to get people to jump through hoops.

Thus, my formula for how to pay people distills the best theory, research, and practice with which I am familiar into three short sentences:

* Pay people well.

* Pay people fairly.

* Then do everything possible to take money off people's minds.


Notice that incentives, bonuses, pay-for-performance plans, and other reward systems violate the last principle by their very nature.


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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 07:38 PM
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1. Fuck you, Arne! n/t
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 07:41 PM
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2. I Second THAT Emotion. n/t
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 07:48 PM
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3. yup!
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 11:33 PM
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19. Same Here
I promise you, that I will work damn hard to stop this shit. I'm only on person, but I'll try.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 07:56 AM
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37. Amen
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 03:04 PM
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50. +6
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rwheeler31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 07:54 PM
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4. What are they thinking? How does this help Public Schools?
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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 08:07 PM
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5. It's called formative assessment and benchmark testing. Teachers absolutely need to
get connected with assessment as long as the assessment is aligned with the standards. Merit pay on its face is not bad.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 08:30 PM
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7. Nigh impossible to assess
when there is no way to control for the ingredients (the students and parents) of the product.
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 08:42 PM
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9. We are already buried in this shit in NoCal. This money goes
Edited on Mon Mar-16-09 08:42 PM by roody
to computer programs and programmers, and to pay teachers to not teach but direct data. It is all money to take teachers and other adults away from students.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 08:46 PM
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10. Teachers ARE ALREADY ASSESSED all the time...formally, constantly
What more do you want?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 07:58 AM
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38. Teachers are connected with assessment
It drives what we do.

Merit pay doesn't change that one bit.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 08:08 PM
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6. i get so pissed off when i read this shit....
i thought that public education would reform under obama but it is not. i guess i`m biased because i was an art ,history and sociology major/minor. since my brain does not compute math and science i`d be one of those bad students who drag the test scores down. thus i would not have had a future in arne`s brave new world where math and science rule above all other disciplines.
if our children were of school age my wife and i would home school.
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Riley18 Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 08:39 PM
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8. Merit pay for teachers will not help education. Good teachers work together
to plan instruction. When teachers are forced to compete against each other, it will put an end to mentoring and collaboration. If Arne was serious about improving education, he would put our money into promoting National Board Certification for all teachers.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 10:10 PM
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14. You are right. Daily planning sessions...plan together work together
Team teaching.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 08:48 PM
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11. Arne wants to use the stimulus to form a testing database...how dare folks get mad at me..
for posting about it.

Talk about denial?

Talk about loyalty to the nth degree?

That is not what the stimulus should be used for.

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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 12:41 AM
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21. Agreed. It should be a seperate spending bill.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 08:59 AM
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43. who got mad at YOU, for posting it?
i would imagine that most people are pissed off by/about the content, not the person posting it. unless you're actually arne duncan...? :shrug:
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 09:16 PM
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12. Like the public school system isn't fucked up enough already
Now dear old Arne is going to fuck it up some more. Kids and teachers are already stressed out enough about testing, wait until this comes on board. More and more kids will be taught to the test.

This is simply hastening the conversion to a two tier education system, and sadly there are far too many people around here cheering this on.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 09:19 PM
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13. More on Duncan and "“let a thousand flowers bloom” mentality.
"Duncan answered the second part of the question with the remark, “Obviously, I’ve been a strong supporter of charter schools.” He credited the success of Chicago public charter schools with strict authorizing restrictions as opposed to the “let a thousand flowers bloom” mentality. Chicago has a “rigorous front-end process” in place to ensure only the best people are charter school operators. Once they are open, charter schools are given autonomy and are “free from the bureaucracy” so they have “an opportunity to innovate.” Chicago charter schools operate under a 5-year performance contract, which creates enforceable accountability. The balance between autonomy and accountability is very powerful tool. Duncan ended his response to Senator Alexander with the observation that if you ask any 2nd or 3rd grader what type of school they attend, they don’t know if their school is a magnet, gifted, charter or traditional. Students just care if their teacher cares about them."

http://www.edexcellence.net/fordhamfellows/blog/index.php/tag/department_of_education/

Wow, he must use that term a lot. I wonder what he plans for the ones whom he does consider part of the "thousand flowers blooming" mentality.

The ones he puts in that category are the ones I loved and taught for years. His reference to those "flowers" really seems to show a snobbish tone....like they are not as good as those he wants for charter schools. Like those "thousand flowers" don't deserve as much of the stimulus.

It is an elitist attitude for an education secretary.
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 10:16 PM
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15. Arne Duncan: "Privatizer, Union Buster, and Corporate Stooge"
12/9/08
Colleagues and friends:

To portray Arne Duncan as anything other than a privatizer, union buster, and corporate stooge is to simply lie.

Randi Weingarten knows that there is open rebellion within the Chicago Teachers Union because Randi's local president, Marilyn Stewart, has allowed the union to go bankrupt (by corrupt spending on herself and her staff, rivalling that of the former leaders of the Washington, D.C. union) and become disgraced by collaboration with Arne Duncan. Last February, when Duncan moved to close a half dozen schools (on various pretexts, most to slip them to charter schools as part of Chicago's privatization juggernaut) and fire all the teachers at a half dozen others in a reconstitution move called (this year) "turnaround", more than 5,000 parents, teachers, students and community leaders protested as a series of community meetings and at several meetings of the Chicago Board of Education. Despite the fact that Marilyn Stewart had sold out the union's
members at all the schools that were on what teachers called Arne Duncan's "hit list," the union tried to continue its collaboration with Duncan (and his master, Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley).

All of this has been reported, month after month, in the pages of Substance.

The material is available in great detail in our back issues (available both in print and PDF) at our new Website, www.substancenews.net.

. . . .

For now, anyone who believes Randi Weingarten -- viz., that Arne Duncan has a "good relationship" with the Chicago Teachers Union -- is delusional. But just in case there are doubters, the next three meetings of the Chicago Board of Education should tell the tale. Next Wednesday (December 17) there will be major protests by teachers and others against Duncan's latest plans to close and "turnaround" so-called "underperforming" schools (Duncan's a weasal; he never uses the word "failing" but lets the media touts who push his work use it later) and mess up dozens of others.

<snip>

http://schoolsmatter.blogspot.com/2008/12/arne-duncan-privatizer-union-buster-and.html

Schools Matter

This space explores issues in public education policy, and it advocates for a commitment to and a re-examination of the democratic purposes of schools. If there is some urgency in the message, it is due to the current reform efforts that are based on a radical re-invention of education, now spearheaded by a psychometric blitzkrieg of "metastasizing testing" aimed at dismantling a public education system that took almost 200 years to build.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 10:46 PM
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16. Looks like good websites...heading there to explore them.
I honestly am surprised at how quickly this is all happening.

I feel like I am wasting my breath trying to speak out about public education and the dangers coming.

:shrug:
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 10:54 PM
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17. everybody wants accountability until it happens.
these schools were mired in failure. failure that has been allowed to rot the lives of generations of kids in these neighborhoods. and rot the neighborhoods, too.
i applaud arne duncan for having the guts to do what has to be done. in all my years in this city, i have never seen this until now.

the half truths being told on this issue are enough to fill an aircraft carrier.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 11:29 PM
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18. Testing is the tip of the corporate iceberg.
Here in Texas, it is nearly the largest component of the education budget. That is money drained from classrooms and poured into corporate pockets. The schools have to pay for the tests that corporations make up.

As an educator, I have been a part of working with state and national testing systems. I've been a part of the group that wanted to have educators get a say in how testing is done. It is a scam. It will always go down hill. Teachers invest hours of time and parts of their soul to try to create evaluation systems that will work. They never become a part of the system for long. They are too expensive and too hard. Full length scoring for year=long student generated portfolios demonstrating the ability to construct meaning along with the training for teachers on how to deliver this kind of instruction takes time and money. Multiple choice, behaviorist drivel is cheaper and makes the tax payer happy.

I still like Einstein's take: Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted.

In educationalese, we said: Not everything measurable is valuable, and not everything valuable is measurable.

But this is just the beginning of the corporate takeover of American education.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 12:37 AM
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20. Bill Gates funding independent charters...says skip public school step.
"In the beginning, the Gateses used their dollars and employees to push school districts such as Los Angeles to break up mega-high schools into “small learning communities.” But now they are advising superintendents to give up that project and go straight for independent charters. Gates’ $60 million project, “Ed in ’08: Strong American Schools,”26 will use the elections this year to influence politicians to accept their three mandates: standardization of curriculum nationally, merit pay for teachers, and more time in schools. The campaign’s money comes from Bill Gates and Eli Broad, a Los Angeles real estate magnate. Roy Romer, the former superintendent of the Los Angeles Unified School District, is its spokesman, and it counts among its supporters a diverse crowd—from Rod Paige, the former secretary of education, who once called teachers’ unions “terrorist organizations,” to Janet Murguia, president and CEO of the corporate-backed National Council of La Raza. It trumpets success stories, like its “Mission Possible: Greensboro, North Carolina,”27 where 383 teachers were paid bonuses in direct relation to their students’ test scores."

http://normsnotes2.blogspot.com/2009/02/charter-schools-and-attack-on-public.html
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 12:45 AM
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22. Methinks the "impossible to assess"ers doth protest too much.
Edited on Tue Mar-17-09 12:46 AM by BlooInBloo
:rofl:

I can't say as I really blame you folks, however. If I were like you, I'd be scared as all fuck about any form of accountability, too.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 12:48 AM
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23. Bloo...I really like the cut of you jib.
I really do.

:thumbsup:
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 01:06 AM
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24. Teachers already are held accountable.
You are pushing right wing propaganda.

Merit pay has risen its ugly head for the past 300 hundred years. Each and every time it has been deemed a failure and abandoned.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 01:21 AM
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27. Sorry, tiger. Supporting the adult-idiot manufacturing industry is NOT a progressive trait...
Edited on Tue Mar-17-09 01:22 AM by BlooInBloo
I don't care how many times workers in that industry say it is.

EDIT: Or outside of that industry, for that matter.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:49 AM
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31. And you don't care how well documented or how well reasoned the argument.
I think I see where you are coming from now.

Teaching is not an industry, it is a profession.

Inability to make a reasoned argument for or against what you believe is NOT a progressive trait either.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 08:04 AM
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40. So educating kids is just like manufacturing?
How repulsive that you believe that.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 08:52 AM
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42. Spoken like a teacher...
I also must think that car companies are "just like" pharmaceutical companies because we use the term "industry" to describe them both.

ZOMG! That means I think that george bush and Neptune are "just like" each other, because the word "exists" applies to both of them!!!

Won't somebody think of the children!!!

No, seriously on that last bit. Somebody please save them from the idiot-producers.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:39 AM
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29. BiB, that is outrageous propaganda and insulting to teachers. nt
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 03:14 PM
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53. the teacher-hating from BiB is outrageous but not totally unexpected. nt
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 08:01 AM
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39. We are already being held accountable
I think I can speak for most teachers when I say we would rather see money being spent on things we really need (like say, uh - pencils?) than on an expensive and unnecessary assessment program.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 11:42 AM
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45. Yeah, that Einstein was such a dolt.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 01:08 AM
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25. Another great source Madfloridian...
http://www.articlearchives.com/company-activities-management/public-sector/967502-1.html

"Schooling in disaster capitalism: how the political right is using disaster to privatize public schooling"


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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 12:07 PM
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46. From page 4 of your article: back door privatization
Edited on Tue Mar-17-09 12:10 PM by madfloridian
Capitalizing on Disaster in Education

Despite the range of obvious failures of multiple public school privatization initiatives, the privatization advocates have hardly given up. In fact, the privatizers have become far more strategic. The new educational privatization might be termed "back door privatization" (9) or maybe "smash and grab" privatization. A number of privatization schemes are being initiated through a process involving the dismantling of public schools followed by the opening of for-profit, charter, and deregulated public schools. These enterprises typically despise teachers unions, are hostile to local democratic governance and oversight, and have an unquenchable thirst for "experiments," especially with the private sector. (10) These initiatives are informed by right wing think tanks and business organizations. Four examples that typify back door privatization are: (1) No Child Left Behind, (2) Chicago's Renaissance 2010 project, (3) educational rebuilding in Iraq, and (4) educational rebuilding in New Orleans.

No Child Left Behind

No Child Left Behind sets schools up for failure by making impossible demands for continual improvement. When schools have not met Adequate Yearly Progress, they are subject to punitive action by the federal government, including the potential loss of formerly guaranteed federal funding and requirements for tutoring from a vast array of for-profit Special Educational Service providers. A number of authors have described how NCLB is a boon for the testing and tutoring companies while it doesn't provide financial resources for the test score increases it demands. (11) (This is aside from the cultural politics of whose knowledge these tests affirm and discredit). (12) Sending billions of dollars of support the way of the charter school movement, NCLB pushes schools that do not meet AYP to restructure in ways that encourage privatization, discourage unions, and avoid local regulations on crucial matters. One study has found that by 2013 nearly all of the public schools in the Great Lakes region of the U.S. will be declared failed public schools and subject to such reforms. (13) Clearly, NCLB is designed to accomplish the implementation of privatization and deregulation in ways that open action could not......"

It's a long article, but will finish it soon.
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kaygore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 01:20 AM
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26. Well said; well documents; right on!
I'm so very disappointed in Obama on this. What a waste of time and money!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 01:46 AM
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28. Teachers ARE ALREADY ASSESSED all the time...formally, constantly
It is using right wing terms to say they are not. This is propaganda to make public schools look bad while defunding them.

Yes, I did repeat myself. This is serious stuff. Teachers are held accountable for every word they speak. Yes, teachers can be fired if they are not good teachers.

I am amazed at how well the conservative free market folks did their job.

Our ed secretary wants to spend stimulus money on testing some more, and not supportive of public schools. If he can do that, then let the SC governor do what he wants with it. Why be picky?

And the same folks here are trying to make me look bad?

You can try, but I am not done yet. More to come.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:41 AM
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30. Enthusiastic K&R. nt
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 03:18 AM
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32. ugh. tsk tsk arne--looks like you're starting to FAIL! n/t
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Sancho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 03:33 AM
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33. Arne is a bad choice....
Obama has made some good decisions, but this appointment is one that may not work out. Hopefully, Arne won't last.

The focus on charter schools has a lot of jeopardy, as your post points out. I'm surprised at how the rhetoric has sunk in here at DU. I would hope that more would have seen it.

Most of the country doesn't understand the problems of vouchers or charter schools. Most people don't appear to realize the damage that was done under Bush.

Your posts on this are good. Maybe it will cause DUers too think about it more carefully.


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last_texas_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 03:36 AM
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34. K&R. A wealth of interesting information in your post.
Thanks, madfloridian...
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 06:23 AM
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35.  A "dangan" and the continuing onslaught of Big Brother
One big advantage of national testing programs is the ability to build up a "dangan"..along with a national medical database, we can rival the Chinese in their ability to control a large population and monitor individuals from cradle to grave. How handy it will be for those with the power to access these files.. I remember when Bush was in office, there were proposals for a national edcuation database that would track kids grades from kindergarden through college.

If we value freedom, decentralizing power is an important means of expanding it.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 07:54 AM
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36. Please tell me how Arne is any different from Rod Paige
:puke:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:44 PM
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49. Haven't found much difference yet, at least in the emphasis on testing.
Testing seems to be their god.
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Fiendish Thingy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 08:31 AM
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41. K&R - Geez what a dope!
Where did Obama find this guy?
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 03:13 PM
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52. He comes to us from Chicago as the Superintendent and I
suspect by the way of 'The Chicago School of Economics.'
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 10:55 AM
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44. Thank you madfloridian -
K&R. I have a school age child myself and it pisses me off to now end how education is being so broadly discussed and not one word about scraping NCLB after it's been proven not to work and how unfair the program is.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 12:20 PM
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47. NCLB: designed to result in the declaration of wide-scale failure of public schooling ...
"designed to result in the declaration of wide-scale failure of public schooling to justify privatization"

"Each year Illinois has to get higher and higher standardized test scores in reading and math to make AYP. Illinois schools, and specifically Illinois schools already receiving the least funding and already serving the poorest students, are being threatened with: (1) losing federal funds; (2) having to use scarce resources for under-regulated and often unproven (SESs) supplemental educational services (private tutoring) such as Newton, a spin-off company of the much criticized for profit Edison Schools; or (3) being punished, reorganized, or closed and reopened as a "choice" school (these include for-profit or non profit charter schools that do not have the same level of public oversight and accountability, that often do not have teachers unions, and that often have to struggle for philanthropic grants to operate). Many defenders of public education view remediation options 2 and 3 under NCLB as having been designed to undermine those public schools that have been underserved in the first place in order to justify privatization schemes. (16) Public schools need help, investment, and public commitment.

NCLB is setting up for failure not just Illinois public schools but public schools nationally by raising test-oriented thresholds without raising investment and commitment. NCLB itself appears to be a system designed to result in the declaration of wide-scale failure of public schooling to justify privatization. (17) Dedicated administrators, teachers, students, and schools are not receiving much-needed resources along with public investment in public services and employment in the communities where those schools are situated. What they are getting instead are threats."

http://www.articlearchives.com/company-activities-management/public-sector/967502-1.html
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 12:51 PM
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48. Public school systems are expecting stimulus money. This does not seem right.
To allot any of it to more testing and to charter schools.

It is very upsetting, and I wonder how many school systems realize it.
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 03:08 PM
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51. that's all we need, more tests!....another "great" pick from O.
a real "Dream Team" in the cabinet. :sarcasm:
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 06:20 PM
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54. If they're going to do this, they need to look into a FULL multivariate analysis ...
so they can determine which variables BESIDES the teacher affect student scores. It would not surprise me in the slightest if the correlation between the individual student's scores and the subject being taught completely swamped any correlation between different grades and different teachers; i.e. students would, ON AVERAGE, do about as well in a particular course no matter which teacher they got. The much-vaunted "superior teachers" may not differ from the merely average in a statistically significant way.

Of course, that's not likely to happen, because the people doing the analysis have an axe to grind.
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vssmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 06:50 PM
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55. The problem is that the people who have the power to make
changes in public education don't send their kids to public schools therefore have no incentive to make the necessary changes.
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