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Smith_3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 08:50 AM Original message |
Science cannot prove causality. Science assumes causality |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
1. But pigs CAN fly! I've seen it on Mythbusters |
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dipsydoodle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 09:01 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Of course they can |
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TheCoxwain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 09:54 AM Response to Reply #1 |
18. I so love your Avatar |
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RandomThoughts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 08:53 AM Response to Original message |
2. In reality |
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Smith_3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 09:05 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Einstein also thought time is an illusion. |
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RandomThoughts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 09:28 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. yup, and it gets in the way quite often. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 09:47 AM Response to Reply #2 |
16. thanks for bringing some philosophical literacy to DU. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 11:27 AM Response to Reply #16 |
27. Teh stupid. Won't stop burning. |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 10:21 AM Response to Reply #2 |
43. Wouldn't life be an effect? |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 09:08 AM Response to Original message |
5. They dismiss causality, but they want science to accept their conclusions as if they didn't. |
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Smith_3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:11 AM Response to Reply #5 |
42. Isn't it annoying? |
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Terran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 09:09 AM Response to Original message |
6. You're assuming |
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Smith_3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 09:28 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Well, if you define religion as something else as a belief in a non-causal scenario |
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Terran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 11:24 AM Response to Reply #9 |
25. I'm not following your grammar... |
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Smith_3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 12:13 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. "if you define religion as something other than a belief in a non-causal scenario" |
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Terran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 02:42 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Well, I don't know that this is true, exactly. |
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Smith_3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. I mostly agree with what you say. |
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Terran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 05:39 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Wow, synthesis! |
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Smith_3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 05:49 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Glad I could entertain you. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 09:12 AM Response to Original message |
7. If a tree falls in the forest |
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RandomThoughts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 09:33 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Good example |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 09:45 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Shrodinger's Cat |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 09:29 AM Response to Original message |
10. Ow. Stop it. |
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RandomThoughts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 09:40 AM Response to Original message |
12. Side note on Cause not proceeding effect. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 09:46 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Umm.. that's "precede", not "proceed".. |
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RandomThoughts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 11:04 AM Response to Reply #15 |
24. Or is it? |
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NoodleyAppendage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 09:45 AM Response to Original message |
14. They pick "non-causal scenarios" out of their asses. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 09:50 AM Response to Original message |
17. True. On the flip side, Reductionists must realize that their world view is not the only valid one |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 10:17 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Yes, it's so valid to study with figments of the imagination to understand unicorns and such |
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Smith_3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 10:19 AM Response to Reply #17 |
21. On the contrary. |
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TheCoxwain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 09:59 AM Response to Original message |
19. sky appears blue because of our inherent gender bias favoring men -- if you are biased |
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TWiley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
22. Religion assumes causality and proves nothing. |
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Smith_3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 10:48 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Any number of examples of causality do not prove that the concept is universal. |
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xocet (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 11:30 AM Response to Reply #23 |
28. A quick question... |
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Smith_3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 12:11 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Well... |
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TWiley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 03:04 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Gravity caused the object to fall towards the earth. |
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TWiley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 03:01 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. Better explain your theory to Einstein then. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
26. Science proves that tsunamis are caused by earthquakes. |
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Waiting For Everyman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
34. That's a good point, and succinctly stated. |
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Terry in Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 06:00 PM Response to Original message |
38. Mmm... philosophy |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 06:05 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Gawd please make it stop. |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 06:12 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. I always thought there were three stages in scientific thought. |
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Terry in Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 08:48 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Stages of acceptance in science |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 10:23 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Thanks for the info and links, Terry in Austin, |
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