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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 11:05 AM
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Rep. Conyers wants science to be secret… or you will pay

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/03/06/rep-conyers-wants-science-to-be-secret-or-you-will-pay/


There are some things science needs to survive, and to thrive: eager, hardworking scientists; a grasp of reality and a desire to understand it; and an open and clear atmosphere to communicate and discuss results.

That last bit there seems to be having a problem. Communication is key to science; without it you are some nerd tinkering in your basement. With it, the world can learn about your work and build on it.

Recently, government-sponsored agencies like NIH have moved toward open access of scientific findings. That is, the results are published where anyone can see them, and in fact (for the NIH) after 12 months the papers must be publicly accessible. This is, in my opinion (and that of a lot of others, including a pile of Nobel laureates) a good thing. Astronomers, for example, almost always post their papers on Astro-ph, a place where journal-accepted papers can be accessed before they are published.

John Conyers (D-MI) apparently has a problem with this. He is pushing a bill through Congress that will literally ban the open access of these papers, forcing scientists to only publish in journals. This may not sound like a big deal, but journals are very expensive. They can cost a fortune: The Astrophysical Journal costs over $2000/year, and they charge scientists to publish in them! So this bill would force scientists to spend money to publish, and force you to spend money to read them.

Why would Conyers do this? Interestingly, if you look at the bill sponsors, you find that they received twice as much money on average in donations from journal publishers than Congresscritters who don’t sponsor the bill — though to be fair, the total amount is not large. Still, Conyers got 4 times as much.
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let's all of us turn our gaze on Conyers
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 11:07 AM
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1. maybe Conyers can write some "stern" letters and issue toothless subpoenas - worked so far nt
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 11:07 AM
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2. May Conyers be a successful in this endeavor as he has been
in prosecuting the bush** criminals.
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HillbillyBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 11:15 AM
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3. Since our tax dollars are part of the funding everything needs to be
open and above board. Why this sudden want or need for secrecy?
Dint Mr Conyers want ( * ) to be open and above board?????
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BobRossi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 11:22 AM
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4. He has been hanging around his wife too long.
She is a Detroit City Council person, and nuttier than a fruitcake.
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 11:43 AM
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5. very interesting - thanks for info - what bent does her fruitcakeness take?


just curious
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BobRossi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 11:50 AM
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8. Example.
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 11:59 AM
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9. jeez - see what you mean
nt
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 12:01 PM
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11. OMFG! As a Michigan resident, I gotta say this is kind of eye opening...
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 11:45 AM
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6. Doesn't sound like this proposed law is even Constitutional,
What given the First Amendment and all that.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 11:49 AM
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7. this is nothing new for conyers...he has a problem with the net
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 11:59 AM
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10. John Conyers is too old & feeble minded and needs to retire
He's gone off the deep end in the last 2 years.. all of the tired, lame, old fuckers need to go to make room for some younger, more progressive representatives...

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