Women should be hit for wearing sexy clothing in public, one in seven believe

[cali]

One in seven people believe it is acceptable in some circumstances for a man to hit his wife or girlfriend if she is dressed in “sexy or revealing clothes in public”, according to the findings of a survey released today.

A similar number believed that it was all right for a man to slap his wife or girlfriend if she is “nagging or constantly moaning at him”.

The findings of the poll, conducted for the Home Office, also disclosed about a quarter of people believe that wearing sexy or revealing clothing should lead to a woman being held partly responsible for being raped or sexually assaulted.

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article5875108.ece

[ogneopasno]

1. This makes me sick to read. Unfortunately, I'm not surprised.

[Turbineguy]

2. I'm happy

just to enjoy the view myself:)

[lonestarnot]

3. So one in 7 "possess" a woman? Woohoo dominionism!

:puke:

[sinkingfeeling]

4. Guess women world-wide need to unite and fight back. Absolutely unbelievable that people think

striking others is A-OK if it's a child or woman.

[Threedifferentones]

48. I'm pretty sure those 1/7 also feel it's okay to hit other men when they can get away with it

They are just modestly less likely to be able to do so, since men are more likely to be strong enough to fight back. Still, it is not like a special hatred of women or children, but rather an attitude of "I'll exploit anyone I can."

[Lorien]

70. Yes, there is a "special hatred" of women out there

and the men who hate us blame us for their own lust, bigotry, and insecurities. They play the victim at every turn. I'm fucking sick of it.

[Threedifferentones]

81. Sure there are men who express a special hatred of women

Then, when they meet a man they want to exploit, they come up with some other excuse. Race, religion, war, survival of the fittest, whatever. And for that instance they are bigoted against something besides women. In general, though, they are just assholes who exploit who and when they can.

Show me a person who beats their spouse and I'll bet my bottom dollar they treat anyone they can get away with like shit. They will feel entitled to live and prosper at others' expense. If they own a business, they will not hesitate to screw over employees. If they are a doctor, they will gladly give bad advice for kick backs from the companies that profit.

The psychological problems of abusive people are much bigger than treating one sex or the other with less respect, which is just one symptom.

[snappyturtle]

5. OMG! and we complain about the treatment women receive in the

hands of the Taliban? I realize this article is UK but..........

[cali]

10. uh, if you can't see the difference between the treatment of women

in the UK and the U.S. and the treatment of women under the Taleban, well, what can one say?

[Greyhound]

43. As ever, the oh-so-condescending defender of authority metes out her wisdom

to the poor ignorant fools.

How can your highness even bear to expose yourself to this rabble:sarcasm:

[Occam Bandage]

51. Point-blank: Do you believe the condition of women in the US/UK, and in Afghanistan circa 2000,

are comparable?

[TBF]

71. And her defender comes to the rescue!! n/t

[Greyhound]

80. Different behavior, identical mindset.

53% of the population is viewed by 80% of the total as inferior, weaker, subservient, or some other variation on lesser.

[Occam Bandage]

82. You honestly believe that most Americans would like to see women murdered for going to school?

It's a sad world in which you live.

[Greyhound]

84. It is a sad world in which some pretend that less hate is more acceptable than "their" hate.

It is that attitude, and the smug inaction that it breeds, that makes all of it possible.

You sir, are the problem. Though like most of the effect that you generate around you, your contribution is negligible.

[snappyturtle]

55. The point is that we should also be outraged at this point of view from the UK.

I'm not so ignorant as not to realize there is an enormous difference and I don't believe the UK behavior should be tolerated.

[uppityperson]

66. Indeed. It starts somewhere and "even" this amount should not be tolerated. eom

[lumberjack_jeff]

57. It'd be interesting to know the gender breakdown among the respondents.

But being an online poll, it's not very useful.

[pampango]

58. It was a telephone poll and there are breakouts for gender.

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/documents/violence-against-women-poll?view=Binary

[lumberjack_jeff]

62. Thank you for that.

Interesting, to say the least. Apparently the attitude is that violence against women is sometimes acceptable is pretty equally shared between genders. For instance, 20% of female respondents said that a man hitting his female partner for nagging was sometimes appropriate compared to only 15% of male respondents.

Are women really 33% more likely to feel that it is sometimes appropriate for men to hit their wives for nagging?

Also, I find it fascinating that 21% of respondents believe that wearing revealing clothes might merit a slap, while only 10% think that cheating does.

The results of this poll are so counterintuitive that I think they're bullshit.

[Orrex]

6. For corroboration, one need look no farther than Sean Connery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FgMLROTqJ0

Sounds like what we've got here is a bunch of men who want to hit women and have decided to use her clothing or her attitude as a justification for it.

[seabeyond]

7. 1 in 4 men believe it is ok to rape a woman. actaully, that we know for fact, number

could be even more

[Dreamer Tatum]

13. 1 in 1 man here think that number is BS nt

[seabeyond]

15. 1 in 4 female are raped, and that is just reported. i gotta believe those males must think

it is ok if they are doing it.

[Dreamer Tatum]

31. Reference, please, for 25% rape incidence

I don't believe that for one second.

[seabeyond]

37. .

In a study of 6,000 students at 32 colleges in the US, 1 in 4 women had been the victims of rape or attempted rape. (Warshaw, Robin 1994 "I Never Called It Rape")

An estimated 91% of victims of rape are female, 9% are male and 99% of offenders are male. (Bureau of Justice Statistics 1999)

According to the National Victim Center, 683,000 women are raped each year. (1992)
http://www2.ucsc.edu/rape-prevention/statistics.html

Retired Army Reserve Col. Ann Wright said 1 in 3 women who join the military will be raped or sexually assaulted by servicemen
http://houston.craigslist.org/pol/1058449472.html

Based on these data, an estimated 16% of rape victims, or 1 in 6, were under age 12



i didnt put much effort into it. there is plenty to google if you are really interested. i think not. i think yours is to dismiss, ignore, deny. also, keep in mind, there are a lot of rapes out there not reported. so the number is shy anyway

[Dreamer Tatum]

47. Statistically invalid for the general population

Sorry.

[seabeyond]

52. and there is a man that can look at a horrid truth, and dismiss it so easily and casually

with no thought and interest cause you were able to come up with a quick and swift comment to my post.

how does a man ignore the horrors so easily? do you think MAYBE, you are part of the problem? because i do

[Greyhound]

86. You know we don't agree on much, but here's one for sure.

It is this jackass and all his ilk that have allowed rape to become epidemic.

ETA; Surprise, surprise, here are three of our most consistent offenders all gathered to say the same thing.

[anigbrowl]

60. Statistics fail

It's illogical to assume that the distribution of rapists in the male population exactly mirrors the distribution of rape victims in the female population. In fact, it's almost certainly lower given that it tends to be a serial crime. It would be like taking the # of crimes committed in the US and dividing it into the overall population to estimate the level of criminality - rests on the assumption that nobody commits more than 1 crime per year.

So your suggestion that 1 in 4 men think rape is OK, while attention-grabbing, isn't well founded.

[defendandprotect]

90. IMO, the underreporting is high . . .

perhaps less than it used to be, but high.

I just caught part of a Congress hearing on abuse of females in military ---

Didn't catch much of it --- but at least a bit more light on this subject.


Just as a guide . . . in the sexual abuse of children by priests, there were

something like 100,000 known victims -- and they stressed that there were only

20% being reported. That would make the victims near 500,000!!!

Bush also further F-U'd the military reporting of rapes -- making the requirements

more like abuse!

[TheWraith]

95. Hold it, you're citing a known bad study.

That 1994 study defined as "rape" any case in which the woman did not immediately agree to have sex when propositioned, but later consented.

[Marie26]

63. Statistics

One out of four women will be sexually assaulted on a college campus.
--Hirsch (1990). National Victims Center. Retrieved August 16, 2000, from the World Wide Web: http://www.ncvc.org/ index.html


51-60% of college men report they would rape a woman if they were certain that they would get away with it.

http://web.mit.edu/stop/www/statistics.htm


So actually, statistically the number of men who think rape is OK is more like 50-60% percent.

[defendandprotect]

91. Not to mention killing women . . .!!!

[BlooInBloo]

32. (facepalm) Only if there are no repeat-rapists.

We're a stupid, stupid country.

[LeftyMom]

72. Statistics FAIL.

That one in four women is raped does not mean that one in four men commits rape. That would a assume that most rapists rape only once, which we have no reason to believe is so.

To put your fallacy in a less emotionally charged context: if one in five people will have a car stolen over the course of their lives, it does not follow that an equivalent population are car thieves. The phenomenon is more likely one where a relatively small population of car thieves each steal many cars.

[defendandprotect]

92. Isn't that the profession anti-feminist's argument . . . if this were going on . . .

"all of our sons are rapists!" --

Well, yeah -- could be!

For instance, evidently, males who are raped in prison ---

more than 200,000+ every year, rape women immediately after they are released

from prison . . . "in order to prove their manhood" --- !!!

It is obvious that males will rape and will act violently against women especially

when they think they can get away with it --- but even if they can't.

And, I doubt we have even begun to hear all the stories that women could tell as yet!!

[Greyhound]

85. In your appointed role as spokesman for men, you've put that meaningless little point

to bed. Congratulations.:eyes:

[pampango]

27. Where does the 1 in 4 figure come from? n/t

[seabeyond]

30. post 15

i was being a bit flip.... in an angry kinda way.

[EstimatedProphet]

41. You're assuming there are no serial rapists

I get what you're saying, but you can't use that statistic to claim that 25% of the population of men are OK with rape. Most rapes are by serial rapists, so it is a few men doing it over and over.

[seabeyond]

46. ok... firstly, even with your logic, can hardly say "few men doing it over and over".

and secondly, seeing how so many rapes arent reported, i will say those counteract the serial rapists....

but yes, i was simply making a point. not one needing to argue. more a angry, flip comment for thought

[EstimatedProphet]

68. You can even less accurately say 25% of the male population

You have no idea how many rapes are from how many men, period. Same goes for unreported instances - you have no idea, and it makes as much factual sense to say that each one is by a different man as that they are all by one man alone. What you said is equivalent to saying that since 6 million Jews died under the Nazis, then 6 million Nazis were active in killing Jews. I'm not trying to argue here, but the fact that you have a point but then toss out a completely unprovable statement kind of invalidates the point.

[seabeyond]

79. 51-60% of college men report they would rape a woman if they were certain that they would get away w

post 63. the point of my post is with the poll suggesting number of men willing to slap a woman, men willing to rape a woman is pretty damn high. too god damn high. everyone is so worried about knocking my post without any kind of insight to what the fuck is going on with our male. that is willing, able and wanting to rape.

it just fuckin might be something for people to actually think about and be concerned about.

the point is clear enough

people simply refuse to look beyond. pathetic

i barely googled. barely put in an effort to get or gather info for those that wanted to deny and put no effort in thought. your post truly disgusts me. argue the point all you want. and then ignore a very real problem. and feel appeased, validated.....

[fishwax]

69. BS

[Solly Mack]

8. Damn

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

9. What planet do these idiots occupy?

Seriously, haven't people gotten the memo that it's never okay to hit someone? As in N-E-V-E-R. As in WTF are you thinking even coming close to believing it's okay?

[Aristus]

11. Where was this poll taken? Riyadh?

Sheesh, people!

[no_hypocrisy]

12. Timesonline IS a Murdoch product, isn't it?

[cali]

17. Yes, but the study was conducted for the Home Office

it was not conducted by Murdoch or his organization.

[no_hypocrisy]

19. Thanks!

[Odin2005]

14. Whaaaa!!!???

I knew there were fellow guys that hadn't evolved beyond Caveman hitting Cavewoman with a club and dragging her home, but that there is still that many is sickening.

:puke:

[ozu]

16. It's an online poll

No one should ever take their results seriously. For all anyone knows, some message board kiddies decided to skew the results for laughs.

[seabeyond]

18. isn't that the truth. being on du we learn well the boisterous claims that is all ego. n/t

[cali]

23. uh, try reading more carefully

"The findings of the poll, conducted for the Home Office...."


Got that? The poll was conducted by the Home Office. It's always amusing to see people who don't feckin' read an article sneer about its contents.

[seabeyond]

29. uh

try to focus. the one sneering about report was the poster i responded to. i was posting off what they said, an online poll. i was sneering at du posters....

uh

address your post to the person sneering at poll

[Occam Bandage]

53. It wasn't an online poll, so your sneering is bizarre and unfounded.

[seabeyond]

56. i see that now.... but bizarre?... and not even unfounded

cause it wasnt the poll i was sneering at, but people that take polls and make posts on internet with faux outrage and boiterous claims.... i dont agree that particular statement is unfounded, ....

and bizarre? ok, whatever, lol

[cali]

20. really? where does it say that? In fact, the article makes crystal clear

that the poll was conducted by the Home Office. Do you even know what the Home Office is?

[ozu]

22. An online poll by the Home Office

But thanks for the snark. You can take it here...

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/keepwomensafe/survey/

[ogneopasno]

25. The article, as it says, is about the telephone poll. Not the online poll you can take yourself.

Men and women over 65 and those in the lower social class groups D and E are more likely to believe that woman should be held partly responsible for being raped or sexually assaulted, Ipsos Mori telephone poll found.

[Hello_Kitty]

59. The report is about a telephone poll. But there was an online poll too. eom

[ogneopasno]

21. No, it's not.

[Lost in CT]

26. Never mind.... nt

[Beer Snob-50]

24. i think a lack of education is the answer to this...

"Men and women over 65 and those in the lower social class groups D and E are more likely to believe that woman should be held partly responsible for being raped or sexually assaulted, Ipsos Mori telephone poll found."

lower social class and those in the older age classes tend to be less educated.

[Dorian Gray]

28. Damn!

Where was this survey taken? Afghanistan?

Holy hell!

[Mari333]

33. Im not surprised.

just to lighten things up

[sweetpotato]

34. And a poster yesterday wondered if we women feel equal yet

Hmmmm.

[incapsulated]

42. heh, right

We are all good, now, thanks!

/smack

I mean, Thank you, SIR.

[WI_DEM]

35. Wanna bet that a large percentage of those 14% vote Republican?

[Fumesucker]

38. Not unless they emigrate to the US and become citizens..

The poll was in the UK..

[Occam Bandage]

50. Tory, maybe. nt

[JitterbugPerfume]

36. Yeah , she asked for it

and NO means YES:sarcasm:

[NoPasaran]

39. As punlished, the headline of this story is misleading

Not that I'm condoning hitting, but there is a bit of difference between "should be" and "acceptable in some circumstances", isn't there?

[incapsulated]

40. In this case, no

Not really.

[flvegan]

44. I'd suggest folks read and understand the article before commenting.

[sufrommich]

45. Is this a poll from the UK ?

I thought only Americans working in Walmart were stupid hicks. :sarcasm:

[Occam Bandage]

54. No. The British Home Office called Frenchmen to ask them what they thought. nt

[Occam Bandage]

49. The fuck? That's surprisingly high, even with the traditionalist Pakistani communities. nt

[JuniperLea]

61. That is an appallingly high number!

I'd be concerned for any woman to be around anyone who thinks that way. Clearly some men, and pathetically some women, feel that men are not responsible for their own actions.

Disgusting.

[Scout]

64. sickening, but unfortunately not surprising. n/t

[timtom]

65. I never met a dame yet

that didn't understand a slap in the kisser or a slug from a .45. (From "Play it Again, Sam".)

[Ilsa]

67. Do those 1 in 7 believe it is okay to knee their husbands in the nads for looking?

What's good for the gander is what's good for the goose?

[lumberjack_jeff]

73. That's an interesting question.

As your post illustrates, the view that "it's never okay to hit a woman" is more universally accepted than "it's never okay to hit a man".

This UK poll suggests that about 80% of men and women would agree with the former. It'd be interesting to know peoples views on the latter. I suspect it's less than 30%.

It leads to an interesting contradiction. It's never okay to hit a woman. It is sometimes okay to hit a man. Self-defense is justified. So is hitting her okay if she hit him first?

Personally, I don't think that kneeing your husband in the nads is ever justified, or funny. Further, the belief that some kinds of domestic violence is either nonexistent, justified or funny is largely responsible for the cycle of violence.

when it comes to nonreciprocal violence between intimate partners, women are more often the perpetrators.

Furthermore, Whitaker discovered, of the 24 percent of relationships that had been violent, half had been reciprocal and half had not. Although more men than women (53 percent versus 49 percent) had experienced nonreciprocal violent relationships, more women than men (52 percent versus 47 percent) had taken part in ones involving reciprocal violence.

Regarding perpetration of violence, more women than men (25 percent versus 11 percent) were responsible. In fact, 71 percent of the instigators in nonreciprocal partner violence were women. This finding surprised Whitaker and his colleagues, they admitted in their study report.

As for physical injury due to intimate partner violence, it was more likely to occur when the violence was reciprocal than nonreciprocal. And while injury was more likely when violence was perpetrated by men, in relationships with reciprocal violence it was the men who were injured more often (25 percent of the time) than were women (20 percent of the time). "This is important as violence perpetrated by women is often seen as not serious," Whitaker and his group stressed.

[Ilsa]

77. ITA that hitting either is unacceptable. But I wondered just the same. Good info there. nt

[Toucano]

74. I saw in the Harpers Index a few years ago that 1 in 5 Americans doesn't believe the holocaust

happened.

After that, I write off 20% of the results of any poll as complete morons, so these numbers trouble me not.

[Atman]

75. Did they ask how many of them call themselves "Christian Fundamentalists?"

Just curious.

.

[burning rain]

76. Revolting, it makes me think about...

how many guys who have the jeasalous / controlling streak use guilt to keep their girlfriends "in line," implying they're "sluts" for one thing.

[Stinky The Clown]

78. One out of ever one clown thinks the people who think there is ANY reason to hit a woman .....

..... deserve lobotomies.

[upi402]

83. i think there was some messin' around with that poll n/t

[NutmegYankee]

87. Now that is disturbing!

[McCamy Taylor]

88. That is England. They do not have a matriarchy like we do here.

[Quantess]

93. LOL.....?

?

[defendandprotect]

89. Believable . . . sadly -- !!!

[TheWraith]

94. As a percentage, that's about the same as Cheney's approval rating. nt

[TankLV]

96. What utter complete CRAP - but it's from cali...

and we've come to expect it...