Obama Keeps Bush positions in Court nearly every time (and yet no outrage here?)

[Political Heretic]

You can source watch propublica for yourself and see its a fine source. Here's a comparison chart for every case that has happened so far showing the Bush administrations position and the Obama admoinistrations position.

http://www.propublica.org/special/chart-obama-tracks-bush-on-national-security-cases

[villager]

1. some of us are outraged... that, and the wolf slaughter

... are clear low points for this new (?) administration...

[readmoreoften]

2. I'm paying attention.

Sad to say but it's worse than I though already.

[Myrina]

3. Yeah and I don't get it ...

... I understand him not wanting to seem 'petty' or 'vengeful' but some of the shit - people included - he's allowed to stay in place is just flat WRONG.

Maybe he plans to deal with all of that later on, after the Titanic is off the iceberg? :shrug:

I can only hope.

[notesdev]

4. I've been warning of this

The two parties are, as a practical matter, virtually identical. The only difference is who they steal for.

[DS1]

5. Oh there's been plenty of outrage

[mmonk]

6. I've been very disappointed and said so here.

He started out good and then when in the wrong direction abusing the state secrets privilege to protect wrongdoing by the bush administration. It's a difficult moral dilemma for me and identification with the party.

[upi402]

7. not surprised here, still pissed off and hopeless

[geek tragedy]

8. People are jumping the gun on some of these.

A lot of these are 'no change of position right now' things. Obama's DOJ guys have barely moved into their offices, and they don't know the details of each and every case and certainly haven't performed the analysis regarding how far from Bush they can go without undermining valid positions in other cases.

[mmonk]

11. Tell that to the people who have been kidnapped, tortured and have had their day in court

denied FOREVER by actions of the OBAMA Department of Justice.

[SoCalDem]

14. I have faith that they will act in "clever" ways, and changes are coming.

Right now there is a LOT of "stuff" on thier plates, and they have to attend to first things, first.

There are also "inside" ways to achieve staff turnover.

The LAST thing Obama needs right now is a "Travel-Office" pout-rage that would ensue if he immediately cleaned house..

A year down the road, I have a feeling that a lot of the bush-ites will be gone-baby-gone:)

[Echo In Light]

16. I have ZERO "faith" that this govt will back pedal on police state measures that have only INCREASED

...since the 80s

[TheWraith]

9. You mean they're not knee-jerk reversing things without thinking?

Wow, how disappointing! :sarcasm:

In most of those cases, if you actaully bother to look at the facts, they've said that they're examining the positions before making any final decisions.

[Political Heretic]

22. Thats a huge pile of horse shit your eating.

The facts are already out and plain - there's nothing complicated about following the RULE OF FUCKING LAW. It doesn't require a "debate" and there's nothing to "figure out." Pretending that there is the mark of a coward.

[burythehatchet]

27. I can only guess who is eating that horse shit

:rofl:

[tomp]

10. no change=change...

...or so they tell me.

[Qutzupalotl]

12. Same attorneys in many cases.

As these get replaced, we'll start to see the new policies.

[Echo In Light]

13. The ones who smugly deny the existence of criminal conspiracies won't be bothered by this

By default the indoctrination allows for the justification.

[liberalmuse]

15. I'm waiting...

until I get more info. President Obama has been in office 49 Days. He has a lot on his plate, and I'm guessing he's focused mostly on the economy right now, so I will wait to hear more directly from him on this before I jump his shit. I guess he's just not working fast enough. I mean, WTF is wrong with him? You'd think he was only human or something.

[newtothegame]

17. I've noticed this myself...

and I can't quite figure it out. Regarding the outrage, I believe most DU'ers really didn't care much about electing a progressive, and cared more about making "history" with their ballot. This they were able to do, and many of them took pictures of their ballots to prove it (:eyes: ), so that's all they care about and thus all that matters to them.

Regarding Obama's decisions, I would have to guess that either 1) the two parties are seriously almost equally evil, or 2) there's a lot of important information around these issues that happens behind the scenes, making what look to be really evil decisions maybe not that evil, considering Obama's going the same way on a lot of the same issues. Or 3) both are happening and Obama is trying to as evil as bush. I would say more likely the 2nd.


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[Laurab]

23. Really?

"most DU'ers really didn't care much about electing a progressive, and cared more about making "history" with their ballot."

I've been on this board a LOT and never once seen a DU'er claiming they only cared about history - it's an interesting belief you have there.

I cared about electing a progressive, but obviously not someone as "progressive" as a few people on this board wanted. My main concern was getting the repukes far away from the White House, and getting a sensible, intelligent, realistic person into the White House, but I certainly didn't think he would be able to undo shrub's eight years in 50 days.

There are a few people on here that do nothing but whine and complain about President Obama, and I can't help wondering what they're doing on this board, and who exactly they want in the WH. I'm still so relieved and happy that bush is out of there - in fact I haven't even got used to THAT idea yet.

Obama has made a few mistakes, but, again, it's been 50 days, and I'm a pretty realistic person. I'm just not ready to be outraged yet - I'm happy with most of what he's trying to do, and I believe he's a good and decent man, who will, given time, undo the fiasco that was the last 8 years.

[newtothegame]

24. I don't know, I'm just speaking to what I was seeing leading up to and after the election...

Pictures of crying African-American children, cute little old African-American ladies telling their stories, pictures of Obama in sunglasses. Very little about the looming threat of Prop 8 and how our time and resources might be better spent fighting that than posting pictures of Obama in sunglasses.

Then after the election, within 24 hours, our very SITE ADMINISTRATOR, SKINNER, posted a "warmest congratulations" to us African-Americans for what, having the same color skin as our President? He completely ignored the millions of Americans and thousands of DU'ers who had just been deemed 2nd class citizens not fit to marry, no better than animals, until he got called out for it, and he made a sympathy post like 3 days later.

These things lead me to believe that yes, many DU'ers, if not most, valued making "history" with their vote and having a story for their kids and the history books way more than they did electing a progressive and disabling regressive legislation like Prop 8.

Thus, they're really not that concerned with the progressiveness/regressiveness of his moves/policies now.

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[Laurab]

29. Well I do admit it was an historic election.

It's just that that had nothing to do with my vote, and I don't think it had much to do with many of the people on DU's vote. For me, I know I studied the candidates, and Obama was my first choice from the start - Biden was my 2nd. I'm probably not as progressive as some, but I AM a progressive, and realistic enough to know who is electable and who isn't.

I am proud to have been a part of an historic election, but it had absolutely nothing to do with my vote. One of my brother's is gay - he's been angry at Obama, but still feels the way I feel - the relief that we have someone with a brain in the WH. I don't want anyone calling my brother a second class citizen - he's not, and he should have every right I have, but things like that just don't change overnight. I understand that Obama can't do everything right, I don't expect him to do everything right, and I do expect people to have a little patience.

I believe we're headed in the right direction. After only 50 days in office, Obama has made some bold moves, and I think he's tougher than people think he is. He also listens to people. I'm hopeful, that's all. I can't apologize for being hopeful, and for thinking that people need to have a little patience. If they choose not to, that's their choice, but I haven't forgotten, or gotten over, the bush years yet, so maybe I'm a bit more optimistic than some.

[blindpig]

18. Hmmm, hmmm, hmmm.

Can't say you weren't warned.

You're a pretty smart dude, you're figuring it out. Pity the fools with the sports fan mentality, when it finally sinks in it's gonna be like when the Jets beat the Colts, THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNEW IT.

[frebrd]

19. No Surprise - No Outrage. Pretty Much As Expected. eom

[GeorgeGist]

20. Because most DUers ...

are too naive to realize that Obama believes in the power of greed as exemplified by his blind faith in capitalism.

[TBF]

21. We try with various issues on a daily basis, PH,

and we are mocked for being "too left" and told that we just need to give Obama "more time". I fear it is going to be a LONG time with Kissinger sitting in his corner. K&R

[Stinky The Clown]

25. He's thinking three chess moves and you're talking checkers .......

.... or whatever the bullshit du jour is these days.

Wutsamatta ... you no team player? :sarcasm:

[burythehatchet]

26. He's playing chess. Its only been 40 days. Assholes like me are undermining him.

um, what else....

[burythehatchet]

28. OOPS, Stinky beat me on the playing chess thingy.