Fox "News" Channel's very own Sean Hannity at a hooker house!

[PM Martin]

Now why would he ever go to such a place?

[billyoc]

1. The food is AWESOME!

[Divine Discontent]

3. HA! billyoc, you continue to make me smile. I love these places like that here in FL that claim

they have "gourmet" dining - does that include the free pubic hair you find in your fish? HA

I cannot imagine eating food at one of those places, but you're probably right, he'd claim they have great food...

laterz!
divine discontent (formerly themartyred)

[FreakinDJ]

5. The Burgers at Hooters are pretty awesome

Love the Buns

[Divine Discontent]

9. :) HA! eom

[davepc]

2. Is that Dennis Hoff there with him?

[Divine Discontent]

4. I looked up that name. the owner of the bunny ranch, so apparently. you know, being a slimeball

gets you in for free to all those places because the big shots want people like him there...

[liberalmuse]

6. Is he with Airforce Amy?

(Don't ask me how I know this.)

[PCIntern]

12. Because you saw

"Lesbian Ho'Down at the Bunny Ranch"...

:hi:

[11 Bravo]

20. Ah ha! A "Cathouse" fan. (Someone else told me about it.)

:evilgrin:

[geek tragedy]

26. Because you saw that brothel's infomercials on HBO? n/t

[TheWraith]

7. Who's that cheap whore

Standing next to the blonde lady?

:D

[Skittles]

8. INDEED

:thumbsup:

[quidam56]

10. Maybe he rode in on that train from Disneyland...

Hannity's America sure ain't My America ! http://www.wisecountyissues.com

[pepperbear]

11. So Sean, I take it your wife doesn't like it when you dress in little french maid lingerie...

but these professional ladies don't mind a bit. :)

[MrScorpio]

13. The way his shirt looks half way out of his pants

He sampled the faire

Hannity whores like it's nobody's business

[snake in the grass]

14. Somebody needs to tell him...

...that having a pen in your hand 24/7 makes you look neither intelligent nor important.

[pnutbutr]

15. It's a legal establishment

that generates much needed revenue for the state of Nevada and IMO should be expanded and legalized in other states as well during these hard financial times.

[MattBaggins]

17. That's a good idea

We could help the economy by exploiting women in dire straits to become seminal sponges. I suppose we could investigate legalizing slavery as well.

[pnutbutr]

18. How tall is that horse you're on?

18 hands? Why don't you come on down now?

The women who do that job in places where it is legal are not being exploited. They have chosen a profession, career, job, whatever you want to call it. It is also safer for everyone where it is legal and can be monitored and controlled by government regulation.

Our economy is in the shithole and getting worse. The main customers of these establishments are generally well to do. It's a vice industry that will take money from those well to do customers and put it into the hands of the state government to be used for anything it may need money for. Schools, roads, homeless, anything and everything.

Play your white knight role all you want but maybe you should ask the girls working at the Bunny Ranch if they feel exploited before you go trying to save them.

[MattBaggins]

19. I propose that we put credit companies in charge of brothels

We could send our wives and daughters to pay off our debts. Hell it beats having to live in one of those tent cities.

P.S. When it comes to comments that economic hard times is the best reason to legalize prostitution; my horse gets pretty damn high.

[seabeyond]

24. i can appreciate

you sittin on that damn high horse, we need more men sittin tall.

[pnutbutr]

27. when you

talk about sending your wife and daughter I can't help but think you don't believe them capable of making decisions without the direction or approval of a man. Good show sir!


Generating revenue for the state is only one reason. There are quite a few more if you think a bit further than the immediate moral issue.

[geek tragedy]

25. Yes, having sex with 10 Rush Limbaugh's a day

is truly a dignified career path that many women choose for reasons other than desperation.

:sarcasm:

[EOTE]

32. So I'm guessing you'd rather have these 'desperate' women die instead?

Since you're so determined to take away the way that they make money? And I'll have you know that there are tons of people who only work their jobs because they are desperate. If I didn't work in IT, I'd have no money and I'd be desperate for food and shelter. I sure as hell don't do this job because I like it. I'd be far happier as a prostitute. It's always fun for me to watch liberals attempt to explain why women shouldn't have free will to choose their own career paths.

[geek tragedy]

36. They need to be trained to have real jobs.

Because, when they turn 40, they just get thrown away like used condoms by the sex trafficking industry.

It's amazing to me how some people on the left support gender-based exploitation and degradation.

[pnutbutr]

40. What makes you think

the women would not use their income to seek a college education?

It's amazing to me how some people on the left do not support gender equality.

[geek tragedy]

47. Because of what happens in the real world.

Amazing the pig ignorance of the sexual exploitation fan club.

[EOTE]

41. So I guess we should get rid of sports as a profession too?

Because, you know, those people won't be able to continue working after they reach 40 too. They just get thrown away like used jock straps by the big sports industry. And I find it incredibly laughable that there are those on the left who equate being able to choose one's own profession with exploitation and degradation. But that's OK. I'm sure you know what's best for all women and I'm sure they're extremely happy that you've chosen which professions they can and can't enter in to.

[pnutbutr]

43. right on

:toast:

[geek tragedy]

45. In an academic setting, you possibly have a point.

In terms of what happens in the real world, your position is one of moral and intellectual idiocy.

People can put 'professional baseball player' on their resume. Notsomuch 'professional c@cks@cker."

[pnutbutr]

50. telling

You trying to take the moral high ground and then calling the women in the profession professional cocksuckers. Now that's degrading.

[geek tragedy]

54. Why is it degrading?

That's what it means to be a prostituted woman. Or would "professional penis sucker" be more dignified?

What would they put down for job skills?

Prostitution is inherently degrading for both the buyer and the sold.

[EOTE]

62. You've already exposed yourself.

We know very well about how you feel for those 'professional cock suckers'. "Prostitute" would actually be a lot more dignified, but I'm sure that never occurred to you. I wish you well on your quest to outlaw all jobs where you no longer have any job skills after 40, because there is a shit load of them. And people like you are the only ones who attribute degradation to prostitution. I would gladly become a prostitute if I had the skills for it, and I'd be very proud to be one. And if I ever saw a prostitute (I haven't, but wouldn't have a problem with it if it were legal by me), I wouldn't attribute any shame or degradation to her. It's people like you who make it a hell of a lot more likely that these women would have image issues. You are the people who try to make them ashamed for their chosen profession and for that you should feel shame, but most likely never will.

[geek tragedy]

79. Why is undignified to describe what they actually do?

"I would gladly become a prostitute if I had the skills for it, and I'd be very proud to be one."

Quite possibly the most ignorant comment in the history of DU.

Yes, yes, I know, you learned all about this stuff in a womens' studies class at some private college or university, surrounded by a bunch of trust fund kids.

[EOTE]

84. So you know my inner thoughts more than I do, I suppose.

I definitely stand by what I said. And what you said is akin to calling all lawyers "Ambulance chasers", but a hell of a lot more offensive. Some may do that, some may not, but to call someone that is offensive no matter if they do or don't and shows how much you really care for these people.

[geek tragedy]

92. What is it that you think prostituted women do?

Offer sexuality exploration seminars? Conduct skills workshops? Counseling sessions?

No, the correct analogy would be to call a lawyer a 'client meeter' or 'courtroom arguer.'

[EOTE]

102. Some prostitutes do oral sex.

Others (in legalized prostitution mind you), will simply flat out refuse to offer oral sex because that's their right. Some prostitutes offer anal sex and others don't. Some prostitutes refuse to kiss and will do anything else. The point is, IT'S THEIR CHOICE. A choice you wish to remove from them, but a choice none-the-less. So once again, the "Ambulance chaser" analogy is far more appropriate, your slur was just a hell of a lot more offensive. Because sure, there are some lawyers who chase ambulances, but to call a lawyer an ambulance chaser is still a slur. I don't expect you to get that though. Why don't you go to the Moonlite Bunny Ranch and call the working girls there "Cock suckers" or "Whores" to their face. I look forward to that.

[geek tragedy]

136. Some?

Tee hee.

You don't know what johns are paying for, do you?

[EOTE]

151. Yes, some.

Johns typically pay to have sex. There are lots of different types of sex and there are lots of prostitutes who will only perform certain types of sex. But I don't plan on getting that through to you.

[MattBaggins]

146. Go and call them cock suckers or whores?

Been there, done that.

Of course it was in Nuernburg and I was young, stupid and very drunk.

[seabeyond]

149. and whore is someone who gets money for sex.... oh no wait, we save that word for all females

girls and women that DON'T get money for sex. prostitutes are too sensitive for the word, ?????

[EOTE]

155. Wow, you really have a lot of disdain for prostitutes, don't you? NT

[seabeyond]

161. no. i dont. not at all.

and i dont play the stupid little games with it either.

there is nothing any more wrong with the word whore than there is with the action. if the action is fine, the word is fine. if a person has no issue doing it, why would the word be offensive.

we call strippers exotic dancers.
prostitutes sex workers
porn people porn stars.

trying to make it pretty with language and it is no more pretty today than it was yesterday

it is, what it is.

[pnutbutr]

191. pretty language

has been implemented to prevent degredation of those it is used to describe. If it's all just pretty and you have no problem using the ugly version to describe those you find morally objectionable then I guess you also use the ugly version when addressing people of various races, sexual preference etc...

You have made your double standard blatantly obvious to all.

[seabeyond]

197. the degradation is in the act, not a word. how silly you are

to suggest a word.... a mere word is degrading but 20 blow jobs an hour to strangers is pretty.

oh lordy you live in a tilted world.

[EOTE]

206. It can be in the act and in the word.

If a woman thinks that performing sex for money is degrading, then it IS degrading. If she doesn't, then it's not. Either way, she should have that choice and ideally she shouldn't be called a whore for doing it. Calling someone a whore IS degrading whether they feel that having sex for money is degrading or not.

[pnutbutr]

219. you go call

an African American the N word and then ask him if it was degrading. I suspect your answer will come in the form of knuckles on your face. Or is the mere act of him being African American degrading in itself? I dunno. You tell me.

[EOTE]

223. Bingo!

I couldn't explain it any more succinctly than that. I don't expect that you're going to get any replies from those who insist it's their job to choose which professions should and shouldn't be allowed.

[seabeyond]

228. talk about apples and oranges. why dont you ask black communtiy if they think it is the same

ia m thinking they wont agree with you

bingo....

[EOTE]

234. You can't seriously not understand this.

Whore and the N word are words meant to HURT. You are saying their actions are degrading and NOT the word. That is a ridiculously stupid argument and the N word proves it to be false. One can believe what they want to about the sex industry, but there can be no doubt that the word whore is used to offend.

[pnutbutr]

240. he understands

but is just to avoid admitting his double standard.

[seabeyond]

242. no. i dont agree. difference. n/t

[pnutbutr]

244. a difference

you can't actually explain in words? :rofl:

[seabeyond]

246. i already have, you either ignored, dismissed or simply dont agree

not a tough one buddy, but the simplest seems to be beyond you.

[pnutbutr]

250. oh

the thing about how calling a woman a cock sucking whore is not in any way equal in degredation to calling an African American the N word. Which one was worse again, I forget.

[seabeyond]

254. well... if the woman wasnt providing the service for money, then it surely would be offensive

but then our guys on this site seem to feel that kinda of language for females not providing cock sucking for money is perfectly acceptable

[pnutbutr]

257. ok, so

If you buy yourself an African American or even just hire him for money the N word is ok to use to address them? They are afterall providing a service for money.

[seabeyond]

263. i am not gonna even touch that one

you might want to take a step back here....

[pnutbutr]

267. HAHAHAHAHA Didn't think so

:rofl:

And I'm done with this guy too.

[seabeyond]

270. you

are so clueless or worse you dont get how offensive what you posted is to african americans.

are you really that slow witted, or just so unempathetic to your fellowman.

[seabeyond]

226. one is choice.... lets remember, it is a womans right to make a choice

your argument doesnt fly

whore is a definition of the choice made. it was used long before they came up with other words. it was made no less or no more than the definition

[EOTE]

230. The N word was used well before they came up with African American.

That doesn't make it any less appalling. Whore is a word used intentionally to hurt. That's why people use the word, to hurt people.

[pnutbutr]

232. again the double standard

whores deserve to be called whores because their actions are morally objectionable to me. That way of thinking is disgusting and no better than the racists who use the N word or those who use offensive language to describe homosexuals, the obese etc...

[geek tragedy]

199. Using sanitized language doesn't make a job

any less degrading.

Just to be clear on where you're coming from: it's degrading to refer to what a prostituted woman as 'sucking c@cks' but it isn't degrading for her to have to suck the c@cks of 20 fat, ugly men each day.

Do I misunderstand you?

[pnutbutr]

216. if she

enjoys what she's doing then it's not degrading to her.

You got something against fat ugly men also? Is it degrading for a fat ugly man's wife to suck him off? How about if it's 20 times a day?

[geek tragedy]

220. What percentage of women in prostitution do you suppose

enjoy sucking the c@cks of 20 fat ugly men per day?

Ah yes, the myth of the happy hooker, that wanton slut who loves nothing more than to s@ck and f@ck any man that crosses her path.

Such is they mythology you peddle.

[pnutbutr]

224. doesn't have to always enjoy it

not enjoying your job on occasion doesn't mean you find it degrading.

[geek tragedy]

229. Really.

You're really going to pretend that it isn't degrading? That the women who find themselves in those circumstances don't find it degrading and don't develope PTSD and clinical dissocation and have incredibly high rates of chemical dependence to numb themselves to what they're doing?

[pnutbutr]

238. Some yes

but not all of them do and if made legal it would allow those who choose the profession to do it legally. It would, if implemented correctly provide an outlet for concerns to be presented if a worker ever felt that way with a customer. May even start a union for these workers. Provide these workers with rights instead of leaving them stuck in an illegal profession that is fueled by degredation because it is illegal. The illegality of it is a major contributor to all the problems you bring up.

[geek tragedy]

243. The inherent nature of what happens is why

they're psychologically traumatized and have so many problems.

And, because don'tchaknow, if you radically increase demand by allowing men to do it without fear of prosecution, then there's going to be a lot more demand for the degrading stuff than there is supply of women in the United States willing to do it. Which leads to . . . you guessed it . . . sex trafficking from poor countries!

What the legalization folks ignore is that when it's legalized, you also start seeing a greatly increased underground brothel/pimping network being set up.

[EOTE]

245. Just like in Nevada.

The underground prostitution network is really thriving in Nevada compared to other states where it's illegal, right?

[seabeyond]

247. yes. just like. it is thriving everywhere cause it is continuously being fed and the appetite

is ravenous.

[EOTE]

249. Like in Vegas for instance.

Prostitution is prohibited in towns with a population of more than 400,000 in Nevada. It's not surprising then that those counties see an increase in underground activity. In those counties where it's legal, it's pretty much non-existent.

[pnutbutr]

252. it's thriving

because there is no legal outlet. Alcohol flowed freely during prohibition and caused all kinds of crime and problems simply because it was illegal. Once legal, what happened?

[geek tragedy]

258. "It's like you sign a contract to be raped."

Described as "pussy penitentiaries" by one interviewee, the brothels tend to be in the middle of nowhere, out of sight of ordinary Nevadans. (Brothels are officially allowed only in counties with populations of fewer than 400,000, so prostitution remains an illegal - though vast - trade in conurbations such as Las Vegas.) The brothel prostitutes often live in prison-like conditions, locked in or forbidden to leave.

"The physical appearance of these buildings is shocking," says Farley. "They look like wide trailers with barbed wire around them - little jails." The rooms all have panic buttons, but many women told her that they had experienced violent and sexual abuse from the customers and pimps.

"I saw a grated iron door in one brothel," says Farley. "The women's food was shoved through the door's steel bars between the kitchen and the brothel area. One pimp starved a woman he considered too fat. She made a friend outside the brothel who would throw food over the fence for her." Another pimp told Farley matter-of-factly that many of the women working for him had histories of sexual abuse and mental ill-health. "Most," he said, "have been sexually abused as kids. Some are bipolar, some are schizophrenic."

Then there is the fact that legal prostitutes seem to lose the rights ordinary citizens enjoy. From 1987, prostitutes in Nevada have been legally required to be tested once a week for sexually transmitted diseases and monthly for HIV. Customers are not required to be tested. The women must present their medical clearance to the police station and be finger-printed, even though such registration is detrimental: if a woman is known to work as a prostitute, she may be refused health insurance, face discrimination in housing or future employment, or endure accusations of unfit motherhood. In addition, there are countries that will not permit registered prostitutes to settle, so their movement is severely restricted.

Those who support the system claim that the regulations may help prevent pimping, which they see as a worse form of exploitation to that which occurs in brothels. According to Farley's research though, most women in legal brothels have pimps outside anyway, be they husbands or boyfriends. And, as Chong Kim, a survivor of prostitution who has worked with Farley, says, some of the legal brothel owners "are worse than any pimp. They abuse and imprison women and are fully protected by the state."

The women are expected to live in the brothels and to work 12- to 14-hour shifts. Mary, a prostitute in a legal brothel for three years, outlines the restrictions. "You are not allowed to have your own car," she notes. "It's like own little police state." When a customer arrives, a bell rings, and the women immediately have to present themselves in a line-up, so he can choose who to buy.

Sheriffs in some counties of Nevada also enforce practices that are illegal. In one city, for example, prostitutes are not allowed to leave the brothel after 5pm, are not permitted in bars, and, if entering a restaurant, must use a back door and be accompanied by a man.

So how did Farley gain access to her interviewees? Those in control of the women were confident that they would not be honest about the conditions, she says. "Pimps love to brag, and I know how to listen," she adds. Although left alone with the women during interviews, Farley noted that they were all very nervous, constantly looking out for the brothel owners.

Investigating the sex industry - even the legal part - can be dangerous. During one visit to a brothel, Farley asked the owner what the women thought of their work. "I was polite," she writes in her book, "as he condescendingly explained what a satisfying and lucrative business prostitution was for his 'ladies'. I tried to keep my facial muscles expressionless, but I didn't succeed. He whipped a revolver out of his waistband, aimed it at my head and said: 'You don't know nothing about Nevada prostitution, lady. You don't even know whether I will kill you in the next five minutes.'"

Farley found that the brothel owners typically pocket half of the women's earnings. Additionally, the women must pay tips and other fees to the staff of the brothel, as well as finders' fees to the cab drivers who bring the customers. They are also expected to pay for their own condoms, wet wipes, and use of sheets and towels. It is rare, the women told Farley, to refuse a customer. One former Nevada brothel worker wrote on a website: "After your airline tickets, clothing, full-price drinks and other miscellaneous fees you leave with little. To top it off, you are ... fined for just about everything. Fall asleep on your 14-hour shift and get $100 <£50> fine, late for a line-up, $100-500 in fines." (The women generally negotiate directly with the men over the money; what they get depends on the quality of the brothel. It can be anything from $50 for oral sex to $1,000 for the night, but that doesn't take account of the brothel's cut.)

Farley found a "shocking" lack of services for women in Nevada wishing to leave prostitution. "When prostitution is considered a legal job instead of a human rights violation," says Farley, "why should the state offer services for escape?" More than 80% of those interviewed told Farley they wanted to leave prostitution.

The effect of all this on the women in the brothels is "negative and profound," according to Farley. "Many were suffering what I'd describe as the traumatic effects of ongoing sexual assaults, and those that had been in the brothels for some time were institutionalised. That is, they were passive, timid, compliant, and deeply resigned."

"No one really enjoys getting sold," says Angie, who Farley interviewed. "It's like you sign a contract to be raped."
Meanwhile, illegal brothels are on the increase in Nevada, as they are in other parts of the world where brothels are legalised. Nevada's illegal prostitution industry is already nine times greater than the state's legal brothels. "Legalising this industry does not result in the closing down of illegal sex establishments," says Farley, "it merely gives them further permission to exist."

Farley found evidence, for example, that the existence of state-sanctioned brothels can have a direct effect on attitudes to women and sexual violence. Her survey of 131 young men at the University of Nevada found the majority viewed prostitution as normal, assumed that it was not possible to rape a prostitute, and were more likely than young men in other states to use women in both legal and illegal prostitution.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/sep/07/usa.gender

But, whatever. It's their choice, so they deserve whatever happens to them.

[pnutbutr]

261. full circle

back to the beginning. I think I'm done here

[geek tragedy]

262. Yep, you don't really care about what happens to the

women in the legal brothels. You just want to justify male privilege.

[pnutbutr]

266. It's a swingin buddy nt

[pnutbutr]

248. What?

Seriously?

Legalization leads to an increase in illegal activity?

Seriously?

I think that has to do with how the legal prostitution system is setup, run and regulated by the government in addition to the commitment of the police in rooting out those who continue to run illegal businesses.

If a woman from Mexico gets a work visa to work in a legal brothel where is your problem with that? Even if she is willing to do more than some of the others. It's her choice to do it.

[geek tragedy]

253. What part of 'increased demand' do you not understand? n/t

[pnutbutr]

255. the underground part

Usually businesses that see an increase in demand of their product or service will expand to meet the increase in demand. If women want to come to the US to work legally and get paid better and treated better then let them. Working here legally would be much better than working illegally anywhere.

[geek tragedy]

260. Because demand exceeds the supply of women freely

willing to work under non-degrading conditions.

Did the legality of CD's make file downloading go away?

[pnutbutr]

264. What?

Logic is failing you right now. CD's what? The other part I addressed already.

[geek tragedy]

268. Yes, you put your fingers in your ears

and said "I can't hear you" when I provided a link to research as to what happens in legal brothels.

But, like the climate change deniers, you found the truth inconvenient and hide behind empty platitudes about free will and choice.

[Dorian Gray]

284. Hence the problems

in Amsterdam currently going on within the sex trade.

[geek tragedy]

290. It's amazing that people think that legitimizing

a manifestation of male supremacism isn't good for women.

I mean, come on. Johns are not enlightened people, and neither are pimps.

[pnutbutr]

193. double

[Lost in CT]

195. That is a new one on me....

I'm speechless... from what I have read I would say 99.9% of prostitues do oral sex.

[EOTE]

198. I haven't done much reading on what sex acts prostitutes do...

But I can tell you that the legal ones are able to set very strict rules on what they will or won't do. Yes, being too selective might get you unemployed, but the same can be said for ANY job.

[geek tragedy]

200. So, the ones who do it because they have no choice

really have no choice but to do acts they don't want to do, right?

[EOTE]

202. Who doesn't have a choice?

The ones who are forced to do it because of the underground nature of prostitution are the ones who don't have a choice. The ones who do it above ground have every choice that any other tax payer has. They can work as much or as little as they want if they're gainfully employed. But no employee in any field can expect to remain employed if they're not making their employer a profit.

[geek tragedy]

204. Let's assume that women enter the field because

of economic necessity.

If economic necessity means that they have to do oral, etc etc, then do they really have a choice in the matter?

[EOTE]

208. Let's assume that I entered IT out of economic necessity.

If I'm in IT because of economic necessity means that I have to deal with people I hate and frustrate the shit out of me on a daily basis, then do I really have a choice in the matter? Won't you please work to outlaw IT jobs so I can be unemployed rather than tearing my hair out every day? I'd be so much happier homeless and starving then I would be in IT. Won't you please save me from myself?

[geek tragedy]

211. That you find IT and prostitution to be comparable

speaks volumes about your profound lack of understanding and empathy.

Quite frankly, you are a world-class idiot, and likely a sexually repressed one.

Done with you.

[EOTE]

213. You have yet to show me one reason they aren't.

I'll give you one, I'd be far, far happier if I was a sex worker than at my current job. You are a world class idiot because you can't imagine anyone having different tastes from yours. You think sex is a dirty, nasty thing, so anyone who choose to work in the sex industry has to be dirty and nasty too. You're just too dim to realize that you want to take away peoples' choices to engage in the profession they want. Frankly, I'm glad you're done with me.

[Dorian Gray]

285. So

a prostitute who has a moral problem with having sexual relations, if it were legalized, would be able to opt out of it. Like our pharmacists can opt out of filling prescriptions if they have a moral obligation.

[Lost in CT]

209. I'm sure there is a bartender somewhere that doesn't serve alcohol.

But a sex worker that doesn't do oral... Well I will believe it when I see it.

[EOTE]

212. You should watch Cat House.

There have been segments with workers who have suggested that Johns go to one of their coworkers because they don't like giving oral sex. They may be rare, but they do exist. And all legal sex workers have the ability to decide for themselves.

[Lost in CT]

225. I don't think Cathouse is real... anymore than the Girls Next Door is a documentary.

[geek tragedy]

217. Yeah, watch Cat House.

That's like totally realistic and completely candid.

[TorchTheWitch]

280. There's plenty and they do just fine

Just like there are plenty of prostitutes that don't do anal, fetish, toys, etc. etc. Every sex worker has their niche and will have plenty of clientele happy with the menu items she offers.

Same thing in my corner of the business. I don't like foot fetish customers because I hate having my feet touched as they're extremely ticklish. I send any foot fetish customers to those workers that have no issue with it, and they send me the customers that want menu items they won't provide but I will with no problem. Bottom line... everybody makes money doing those menu items they like and not doing the ones they don't like.

Have you never seen ads by sex workers? They list their specialties just like any other type of professionals do. John's know how to shop for whatever their particular interest is, and no one who won't do oral isn't being deprived of clientele as long as they are offering menu items that there is a clientele for. Actually, those prostitutes who offer various fetish services and also don't do oral tend to do much better than those that do offer oral and don't offer fetish services. Fetish services are always bigger sellers than the sex basics and command higher prices to boot. Also note that very many fetish services require no insertions at all.

Sex workers know how to network referrals just like any other professional business.

[seabeyond]

64. this is the really funny and ironic. use a female. a thing. nothing more in such a disrespectful

manner, but chose words nicely cause of their sensitivity even when it is just the reality.

that is the funniest....

ahhhhhhhhm, you said she sucked cock. you are being degrading to this woman. but, having her actually suck 20 cocks an hour is respect

[EOTE]

56. Tell me about it.

It wouldn't be the first bit of hypocrisy I've seen in this thread, but it's one of the worst. I'm sure it's only a matter of time before someone starts screaming to me "Would you want your daughter to become a prostitute?!?!?" And my answer to that is 'no'. And I also wouldn't want her to become a garbageman. However, I definitely want her growing up in a society where she has the option to become either and idiots don't have the right to tell her which professions she's able to do and which she's not because they know what her motivations are.

[EOTE]

53. And just where will 'minor league baseball player' on their resume get someone?

My guess is absolutely nowhere. If they have no other experience or training, most minor league players end up unemployed and spending endless days recalling their former glory. Yet no one seems to be denying them their chosen profession (and rightly so). Rather, they allow people with that minor skill to choose what to do with their lives. Just like minor league athlethes (and some major league ones too), if women choose to enter into prostitution and don't invest any of their money into an education, then they'll experience hard times when they leave the business (assuming they haven't made enough of a nest egg in the years they were in it). However, some people have a very limited skill set and don't want to do anything else. By making prostitution illegal in places where it's currently legal, all you'd see is people who were previously employed losing their jobs. Some people may invest the time and energy to do something else, but others will choose to do their same job, but now in a far more dangerous and less profitable environment. I'm sure those people really appreciate your concern. As far as moral and intellectual idiocy, I think you've got that down to an art.

[geek tragedy]

55. People aren't trafficked into baseball teams.

You don't find horrifying rates of violence, drug dependence, suicide rates, and PTSD amongst baseball players.

You don't find 80-90% of baseball players wishing they could do something else for a living, but only play baseball because they have no other choice.

Again, your comparison is illegitimate and dishonest.

[EOTE]

60. And prostitute are primarily trafficked BECAUSE prostitution is illegal.

You completely destroyed your previous argument and are moving elsewhere because you have no leg to stand on. Your talks of intellectual dishonesty are hilarious coming from you. Do you know what the rates of violence, drug dependence, suicide rates and PTSD are amongst legal prostitutes? You have a knack of talking about things you know extremely little about.

[seabeyond]

68. trafficked BECAUSE prostitution is illegal.... incorrect. an INCREASE in the countries

that have legalized it. you really dont know what you are talking about do you?

[EOTE]

73. Apples to oranges.

How about comparing the conditions between legal and illegal prostitutes within our own country? Is there an increase in trafficking in Utah or Rhode Island? Nope, but the incidences of STDs, suicide and depression amongst those legal prostitutes is a hell of a lot less. If you can't see what advantages come from regulating the profession, then I'm afraid there's absolutely no reaching you.

[seabeyond]

80. bah hahhaha. just on title. legalize stop trafficking. no it doesnt. apples and oranges

how about just plain stupid

[EOTE]

86. You are incomprehensible.

Really, I'd work more on constructing your sentences better because half the time I can't understand a damn thing you say. Plain stupid sums it up pretty well.

[seabeyond]

105. follow the argument without me having to repeat your posts......

Apples to oranges.

you say: legalize cure trafficing

i say: facts state otherwise. legalizing creates more trafficking

you say: apples and oranges

i say: stupid....

[EOTE]

115. Stupid is as stupid does.

Listen. Did legalizing prostitution create more trafficking in Utah or Rhode Island? Well, that would be comparing apples to apples as we're dealing with prohibition states both inside the U.S. The answer is no that it didn't create more trafficking in those states. In fact, prostitutes in those states enjoy numerable more rights and get to engage in their profession in a far safer and more lucrative environment. So those prostitutes who enjoy a quality of life far greater than if prostitution had been outlawed extend a hearty 'fuck you'.

[seabeyond]

120. ahhhhh, forrest

really eote... i dont even read your post but the title or subject, whatever. waste typing anything to me

[geek tragedy]

71. You know that legalized prostitution increases demand

for the illegal stuff--you know, the kind where the women don't get to refuse unprotected sex, don't have financial independence, etc etc, right?

Women get trafficked into places like the Netherlands because, as it turns out, Dutch women have educations and opportunities and thus are unwilling to be bought and sold by Dutch men. So, they traffic women in from Eastern Europe and Africa.

Stats for you:

In figures comparable to those discussed here, Vanwesenbeeck (1994) found that 40 percent of her respondents reported physical or sexual abuse in childhood; 40 percent had been forced into prostitution or had experienced sexual abuse by an acquaintance; 70 percent had been verbally threatened in prostitution; 60 percent had been physically assaulted; and 40 percent had been sexually assaulted in prostitution in the Netherlands. Vanwesenbeeck reported that 90 percent of prostituted respondents in the Netherlands reported 'nervousness', with a slightly lower 75-80 percent reporting depression, aggression, distrust and guilt. Multiple physical complaints were also common.


http://www.prostitutionresearch.com/fempsy3.html

[EOTE]

77. And where are these foreign women being trafficked into Utah?

You do know that Utah brothel owners can afford to be EXTREMELY selective with whom they employ because there is such a huge backlog within the U.S. of people who want to work there. And those that do get to work there make fantastic wages and a lot of them enjoy their work more than any of us stuck in 'real' jobs. But you keep on telling women where they should and shouldn't be able to work. You know what's best for them.

[geek tragedy]

82. More propaganda from the legalized rape community.

I'm sure the pimps of the world appreciate your attempts to validate their villainy.

[EOTE]

91. Nice job on conceding the argument.

It's clear that you have no further intelligent comments to offer, so have fun on your crusade.

[geek tragedy]

94. What argument? You just make stuff up and post it

without backing it up at all.

You're the one who said that you'd love to be a prostitute, but you lack the skill set.

Which reveals just how warped and uninformed you are.

[EOTE]

109. So you're telling ME what I'd like to do as a profession.

YOU are an idiot, so I don't think you'd be happy being anything other than a court jester. I know this because I know your skill set far better than your little plebe mind does. I'm going to say this again just so you can comprehend it well: If I could get paid to be a prostitute, I'd be FAR happier than working at my shitty IT job. I love to have sex and to be paid for it would be a dream come true. There are literally millions, or perhaps even billions of people who have a very similar mindset to me. That you think these people don't exist just shows how incredibly clueless that you are. Sad.

[geek tragedy]

113. How much money would it take for you to

have sex with Rush Limbaugh 20 times a day?

You don't get to have Brad Pitt and George Clooney.

[EOTE]

122. I wouldn't fuck limbaugh if my life depended on it.

And it would take a fuck load of money to get me to fuck Brad Pitt or Clooney because I simply don't like dudes. But in legalized prostitution I'd have the ability to decide who I did or didn't want to fuck. That's the great thing about choice. Something you despise.

[geek tragedy]

126. Do you only do what you want at your job?

What makes you think a pimp would be such a good and understanding boss?

[seabeyond]

130. i am pretty surprised all these "experts" think these prostitutes have a choice who

they give blow jobs too.

really

they have watched pretty woman one too many times

they probably think the men clean thermselves up too
and are respectful
and actually try to bring prostitute to orgasm... a real one, not a fakie, bah hahah

[geek tragedy]

134. I'm sure all the pimps would be eager

to 'hire' a woman who would refuse to have sex with any man that didn't appeal to her. Or who didn't do stuff like oral.

[EOTE]

141. Like any job, it's about profit.

If you've ever watched Cathouse, you'd see that there are plenty of prostitutes who have a long "Will not" list. So long as they continue to bring in money, it's not a problem. If a prostitute doesn't bring in money, then they wouldn't stay employed for very long. But I'm sure your employer would keep you employed regardless if you made a profit for him or her because they'd do it out of the kindness of their non-pimp heart.

[geek tragedy]

142. Because Cathouse is so realistic?

Do you think that pig Hoff lets anything unflattering to his operation appear on camera?

My employer doesn't ask me to suck 20 dicks a day.

[EOTE]

150. Yes, it's realistic.

And I've seen women on camera refuse do perform certain acts and once again, if they were denied that choice, the brothel would be SHUT DOWN. That's one of the nice benefits of having things done out in the open. But once again you're just going to denigrate those you consider dirty because it will make you feel better. All you can do is imagine all these awful scenarios to justify your desire to take away others' ability to decide their own lives.

[geek tragedy]

154. How on earth would you know if it's realistic? n/t

[seabeyond]

156. he believes.... he beLIEves... the hype. not facts. not common sense

not reality.... but what... a fuckin show promoting it?

[EOTE]

164. The Johns don't even know they're on camera.

So that part, at the very least, is realistic. The prostitutes have refused clients and acts on the camera, and I suppose they could be doing that as a show for the camera, but I can't see why. Regardless, the burden of proof isn't on the brothel to assure you that these terrible acts going on in your mind aren't actually happening. But any of the prostitutes are welcome to report any abusive conditions as they know they won't face any repercussions for doing so as their job is legal. Either way, there can be no doubt that the chances of encountering abuse is FAR greater when dealing with the underground.

[geek tragedy]

168. What a hopelessly naive person you are. n/t

[seabeyond]

169. no one is that naive

the best that can be said is not an understanding or a lot of thought put into this agenda of his

[EOTE]

171. Ahhh yes, my agenda. Free choice. I can understand why you'd hate it so much.

I'm guessing when you leave your house in the morning, even as restrictive as our lives have become, you still choke on any whiff of freedom. It makes you sick that anyone would choose to do something you find so repellent. Surely you're far more capable of making someone else's life decisions for them.

[seabeyond]

178. have i tried, in any post, tried to deny a person free choice. anywhere. have i ever

advocated that a woman should be denied the ability to prostitute herself.

no where

not once

it is hers to do

it is the delusion you bring into the prostitutes world i am arguing.

you guys, bringing in morality, bringing in denying choice.... not what it is about. it is the lie presented from yawl i am callin out.

[EOTE]

182. It seemed like you were, if you weren't doing that, then I have no problem.

I have no illusions that some prostitutes don't enjoy their jobs, because I hate my job as well. LOTS of people hate their jobs, so long as you don't deny them the ability to work in a job they don't like, I don't have a problem. There are, however, lots of people in this thread who would seek to deny them that ability and that is what I have a very big problem with. I would, however, let you know that you're not helping anyone who has chosen this profession by denigrating them so.

[seabeyond]

187. you dont get it. it is not a simple thing like not liking a job. you are so far far off on that

not even kinda what it is about.

and it doesnt do them any good people trying to pretty up something that isnt pretty at all.

to me, honestly, it is denying who they are, what their choice is. more of a disrespect cause you cant look the truth in the eye. can't meet it eye to eye.

i can see the ugliness, the pain, the hardship, the using, eye to eye and not flinch. not have to pretend it isnt there. not have to make excuse or validate.... and still be ok with the person. to me, that is respect.

to me

someone say, shhhhh, cant say whore, is disrespectful cause you are saying a mere word that defines what they do must be said quietly or not at all. to me, that is so much more disrespectful

it is what it is....

good bad and ugly

[EOTE]

194. Regardless of what you think of the profession...

There are many who know very well what it is about and choose to do it anyway. And in the age of the internet, people looking to enter into a profession know what they're getting into. And I think those words are disrespectful because they ARE disrespectful. It's worse than denigrating terms used to describe almost any other profession because of all the negative connotations it implies. I'm guessing if words like "whore" weren't used in such an overabundance in our society, there would be a hell of a lot less people denying who they truly are. The point is that a lot of people like sex and some people would choose to enter into a profession where they'd get paid for having sex. I don't think we should go about trying to stigmatize those people with words like that.

[seabeyond]

205. it isnt a profession, it is a job. it requires no academic study

just spread the legs or open your mouth

whore. to be paid for sex
prostitute. be paid for sex
sex worker? sound like someone with a degree helping people with their sex life.

the word does not stigmitize anything.... the action does.

the point is..... if you cannot even call it what it is, isnt it you that has the problem?

[EOTE]

210. If you think 'whore' is not a stigmatized word, then there's no reaching you.

And if you think that being a sex worker means just spreading your legs or opening your mouth, then you know even less about this than I had previously imagined. I won't call a sex worker a 'whore' because it's extremely disrespectful. I have nothing against the action, so why would I want to stigmatize it?

[seabeyond]

214. you pretend. you turn your head away from the reality of it so you can glamorize it

you do not see their reality. it is a matter of your inability to be empathitic. or simply, lack of knowledge. or merely being conditioned by a society today that wants to make it something it is not and never will be.

i am done too

BUT... on leaving this thread, i am glad i was here this long, to listen to you this long, to better see where youa re coming from. helped me to understand a little more. understanding is an important thing to me.

[EOTE]

218. I can't make you see the empathy I have.

If anyone is in a bad situation, I want them to be out of it. If someone is in prostitution against their will, I want them OUT. But I also realize that prohibition is a bad thing when it comes to consensual activities and far more people are hurt by it than helped. And that's why I believe as I do. If you think I lack empathy, then you don't know me at all.

[geek tragedy]

174. Just like the johns who believe that the woman

they're paying is really enjoying themselves and having a good time.

[EOTE]

176. Who cares what they believe and what does it matter? NT

[geek tragedy]

177. It goes directly to your mindset. n/t

[EOTE]

183. I don't even know what that means. NT.

[geek tragedy]

185. You have this fantasy of the happy hooker, which is typical

of men who get angry at the idea of someone taking away their right to rent women's bodies.

[EOTE]

188. You get that from me not caring what the John thinks?

I was simply stating that most Johns most likely have a skewed vision of how a prostitute views them. And you somehow get misogyny out of that? And I get angry at people who want to take away choices from others regardless if they're male or female. And I can guarantee you that those who choose to enter this profession are pretty sick of your type of talk. You denigrate these people at every chance you get and then try to act as if you're defending them. They really don't appreciate it.

[geek tragedy]

190. How are you so familiar with the thoughts of

people in the sex industry?

[EOTE]

201. I don't claim to be.

You're the one who suggest that all Johns buy into the "Pretty Women" chain of thought. Your projection is astonishing. All I suggested was that a lot of the Johns are fooling themselves, but that should have nothing to do with the legality of the profession.

[geek tragedy]

207. So you have no idea what you're talking about.

I work with organizations that help women who have been trafficked. So, yes, I've heard exactly what goes on.

[EOTE]

215. What a tremendous leap of logic.

Or stupidity. Whichever you'd prefer. Were you aware that slaves built the White House? I guess we should outlaw construction too? I guess you've spoken with a lot of Johns too, huh?

[TorchTheWitch]

286. psssstttt.... WE'RE RIGHT HERE!!!!

And every single time one of these idiotic threads come up about how desperately we sex workers need to be saved, are exploited and degraded and are too stupid to know it while simultaneously being SHIT on by these same ASSHOLES (who have not clue one what the hell they're talking about) we chime in. And every single time not a one of these ASSHOLES has the balls to try pulling this crap on any of our responses.

There are a LOT of sex workers on DU and many of us have been here for a very long time. And most of us sit back and shake our heads at these absurd posts by people like you who have no idea what they're talking about while insisting they know our own minds better than we do... and we know why you do it even though you will slit your wrists and light yourself on fire before you will ever admit it.

So here it is one more time...

YOU CAN'T BELIEVE THAT ANY SEX WORKER CAN ACTUALLY ENJOY THEIR JOB BECAUSE YOU YOURSELF COULDN'T.

[EOTE]

135. Because legal 'pimps' are subjected to laws.

If a pimp forced any prostitute to have sex with someone, they'd lose their license so damn fast it would make your head spin. Now, any pimp would be able to have a prostitute fired for not bringing in enough revenue and that's why the job isn't for everyone and why I said I'd do the job "If I had the skills", but that's the way it goes in ANY job. If you don't bring a profit to your employer, there's no reason for your employer to keep you on board. So if a prostitute was constantly refusing jobs, then she most likely wouldn't last very long.

[geek tragedy]

138. So, in order to be an economically viable prostituted woman,

you essentially have to be okay with having sex with any man under the sun.

Okay, how many women actually fit that description? Are there enough of those women to keep up with the demand?

[EOTE]

144. Apparently you have a reading comprehension problem.

Once again, it's all about choice. Life doesn't always offer easy choices. I have to do lots of things I don't like in order to make money. I'm sure there are prostitutes who have sex with people they don't like in order to make money too. But the legal ones get to make that decision on their own. And your title line is 100% wrong. There are many VERY successful prostitutes who turn down "Johns" frequently, most often because they don't need the money that badly. And ask Nevada brothel owners if they're having a hard time finding girls to employ. This is really becoming tiring.

[geek tragedy]

147. Wow, a bunch of unsupported claims from you.

What a shock.

I'm sure your stance that we should take the claims of pimps at face value is a solid one.

[MattBaggins]

162. Don't worry about that

The "women should be proud to be used as buckets" crowd are excited about the coming depression. The poster who started this sub-thread thinks it will great for getting women out of the house and on to the corners.

[dustbunnie]

251. You don't know much about the sex trade apparently.

There are legal brothels in Nevada, but there are also tons of unlicensed ones. It's an issue that LE doesn't seem equipped to, or care enough about, to handle. Now who do you suppose works at the unlicensed palaces of love? Rhode Island's trade also has lots of problems and the industry is rife with Mob associations, even though the act of charging money for sex legal. The Netherlands? It's a laugh.

Anytime you have a lucrative market for your business, owners begin to behave like corporations. They outsource, or in this case insource, in the form of cheap Eastern European labor. Illegal immigrants don't complain much, even when their pay is gouged or they're forced to work slave hours. Think illegal immigrants in California's construction trade. It's perfectly legal to construct buildings, so why the illegal hirings? As always, profit. Why do people sell black market cigarettes, when you can buy them almost anywhere legally? They're cheap. This kind of under the table insourcing can even be found at tittie bars. Canada has a progressive policy in this area, but still, most of the businesses are mob controlled and there's a rising issue with imported slave labor.

You say it's easily regulated, when it's obvious that isn't happening. The sex trade has always been, and always will be, a periphery occupation with only the very top tier prostitutes making a good living within good working conditions. The other problem of course, is that because it's considered a vice industry, it will always be a milieu that attracts drugs, booze, and criminals. Studies indicate that roughly 60% of the people involved in prostitution were abused as children, but that of course is nobody's business but the individual's. And making it legal does absolutely nothing for the busting at the seams underage/child prostitution business that won't be affected at all by legalization of the adult sex industry.

[EOTE]

271. I know enough.

Those people who work the underground sex trade and live near areas where it's legal can often times choose to do it legally and vastly improve their living conditions. Those who are forced into the trade also would have an easier time getting out of the situation they're in in places where it's legal due to the lack of stigma attached to it.

There maybe a lack of regulation, and that should definitely be changed. But there's no doubt that this is something that's best done above ground rather than driving it into a seedy underground.

[dustbunnie]

152. I don't really think that's true. Not if you intended on making money.

Even $5000 a night prostitutes end up with extremely unattractive customers, as ugly men are definitely represented in the "with money" crowd. If you work for someone, enough refusals and you're out on your ass. Work for yourself in a decent environment, and you can't be so picky if you intend to pay for your overhead. I imagine that if you are exceptionally beautiful, with exceptional talents you can price yourself up there, but if you are just the typical prostitute, you ain't making all that much to be able to refuse every ugly person who wants your services. With your attitude you wouldn't be professional at all, and your phone would stop ringing pretty quick. Honestly, what do you think the average john looks like? Brad Pitt? :rofl:

[MattBaggins]

153. If you were a prostitute you would do Limbaugh

or your pimp would beat you about the head.

[EOTE]

157. An illegal pimp would do that.

A legal pimp would lose his license if he did that to one of his employees.

[MattBaggins]

159. No they wouldn't

Perhaps you could try and find the families of all the girls found floating down the various rivers in Europe. Go ask them if being legal stops the pimps.

[dustbunnie]

158. Of course she would. Even if she didn't have a pimp.

She'd be a professional, and as such would behave as one, and save the retching for later.

[dustbunnie]

140. It's often a mistake to make something you love a profession -

eventually it just becomes work and all the fun goes out of it.

[EOTE]

165. I'd still prefer to decide on my own whether to do that.

And if I ever did get so bored with sex that I wanted to go back to IT, I'd have that option. I don't think I'd ever utilize it, but whatever.

[EOTE]

175. And I'm sure that prostitutes love it that you consider their profession legalized rape.

I'm guessing they thought they were simply providing a service in exchange for money. But they'll sleep a lot better knowing you consider it rape. That's fucking disgusting and you denigrate real victims of rape by saying that.

[geek tragedy]

203. Have you ever spoken with someone in the sex industry?

From what authority do you speak?

[EOTE]

221. I've spoken with strippers and escorts.

I even had the pleasure of having a conversation with a porn star once. I don't know if that makes me an authority, but I'm pretty sure I can tell you that most, if not all I've spoken to would object to being called a whore and I think I might have gotten slapped if I said what they were doing was legalized rape.

[geek tragedy]

222. I'm sure they told you whatever you wanted to hear.

Your money, your time.

[EOTE]

227. Thanks, but I've never paid.

I've never put a dollar bill in a g-string yet alone gotten a lapdance. So once again your attempt to demean me and make an argument goes out the door. Thanks for playing though.

[geek tragedy]

231. Sure you haven't.

I'm sure a high rolling IT techie like you runs into women like that regularly at your swanky lounge parties.

[EOTE]

237. So now you've reduced yourself to insulting me directly?

Not that I owe you any explanation, but I've gone to school with some strippers and escorts and some of them were even my friends. But you keep judging me an others because I know how happy it makes you.

[seabeyond]

235. so you are one of those cheap fuckers, lol,.... they bare all and you dont give them shit

kinda like being a waitress working ass off for you and tippin 50 cents..... the least you could do is pay for your entertainment. but you "respect" them. lol lol. ya right

[geek tragedy]

236. I'm sure they lineup to give EOTE 'free ones'

when they find out he's an IT guy.

[EOTE]

241. Once again you show your judgement and stupidity.

You realize that strippers exist outside of strip clubs, right? And you know that some of them like to be friends with people they don't give lap dances to, right? I guess not in your mind. In your mind, all strippers are worthless hussies and wouldn't involve themselves with anyone they can't make money from. Pathetic.

[EOTE]

239. I've never been to a strip club, so you can stop being an ass.

You do know that strippers exist outside of strip clubs too, right? You know that some of them like to get sunlight and talk to people not under the influence of alcohol and without a thick haze of smoke? No, I guess you probably didn't know that. Once again you show your disdain for women who choose differently than you.

[MattBaggins]

148. Bullshit

Making it legal will increase the level of trafficking.

[EOTE]

167. Exactly.

Just as it has in Nevada and Rhode Island, right? Right?

[TorchTheWitch]

275. Oh, BULLSHIT

I'm still a very successful stripper at 44. I work with a woman who just turned 53 and still has more regular customers than I do. I have no idea why you believe older woman aren't sexy and don't appeal to men young and old alike. Consistently in every club I've ever worked it's ALWAYS the older women that are the better money makers and we do less work than most of the younger girls. I'm not exploited or degraded, and I'll thank others very much to refrain from thinking they know better than I do about that.

Face it, selling sex is not something YOU are willing to do, but that has no baring whatsoever on what someone else is willing to do. STOP insisting that just because YOU can't fathom enjoying being a sex worker that must mean NOBODY can.

DAMN, I'm sick to fucking death of this bullshit.

[hedgehog]

That's why every mother looks down at the new born girl in her arms and breathes a sigh as she

says, "Maybe some day she can become a prostitute!"

[La Lioness Priyanka]

28. women in dire straits are already seminal sponges, keepin them illegal makes them doubly oppressed.

[TheWraith]

172. If you don't know what you're talking about, don't pretend like you do.

Whether you approve of the morality of it or not, most of the women at the Bunny Ranch will tell you quite openly that they enjoy their job and make north of $200,000 a year doing it. There's been a whole series of documentaries about it, and about how legalized prostitution differs from what people imagine they know.

[MattBaggins]

179. I have seen brazillions of "infomercials"

with folks telling how they made billions flipping houses, putting tiny ads in newspapers, or selling crap from SMC.

I'm not an idiot and don't believe everything I see on TV.

[seabeyond]

180. who is making these documents?

cause facts are completely opposite of what you are stating.

you watchin em on playboy channel?

[TheWraith]

192. "America Undercover" vet Patti Kaplan.

Take your issues up with her.

[Dorian Gray]

283. If it helps the economy

of course we should.

:eyes:

[seabeyond]

22. you might want to actually research and educate yourself

if you are going to advocate for a group of people. also before stating other countries.... you might want to see results from the other countries. switz after 35 yrs? experimenting with this has decided it was a failure and the other countries that have legalized it has more of a problem then prior. this is the cutsey brain dead theory, legalize it and it will all be wrapped up prettily with a big ole red bow. not reality


"No one really enjoys getting sold," says Angie, who Farley interviewed. "It's like you sign a contract to be raped



"I saw a grated iron door in one brothel," says Farley. "The women's food was shoved through the door's steel bars between the kitchen and the brothel area. One pimp starved a woman he considered too fat. She made a friend outside the brothel who would throw food over the fence for her." Another pimp told Farley matter-of-factly that many of the women working for him had histories of sexual abuse and mental ill-health. "Most," he said, "have been sexually abused as kids. Some are bipolar, some are schizophrenic."

Then there is the fact that legal prostitutes seem to lose the rights ordinary citizens enjoy. From 1987, prostitutes in Nevada have been legally required to be tested once a week for sexually transmitted diseases and monthly for HIV. Customers are not required to be tested. The women must present their medical clearance to the police station and be finger-printed, even though such registration is detrimental: if a woman is known to work as a prostitute, she may be refused health insurance, face discrimination in housing or future employment, or endure accusations of unfit motherhood. In addition, there are countries that will not permit registered prostitutes to settle, so their movement is severely restricted.

Those who support the system claim that the regulations may help prevent pimping, which they see as a worse form of exploitation to that which occurs in brothels. According to Farley's research though, most women in legal brothels have pimps outside anyway, be they husbands or boyfriends. And, as Chong Kim, a survivor of prostitution who has worked with Farley, says, some of the legal brothel owners "are worse than any pimp. They abuse and imprison women and are fully protected by the state."

The women are expected to live in the brothels and to work 12- to 14-hour shifts. Mary, a prostitute in a legal brothel for three years, outlines the restrictions. "You are not allowed to have your own car," she notes. "It's like own little police state." When a customer arrives, a bell rings, and the women immediately have to present themselves in a line-up, so he can choose who to buy.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/sep/07/usa.gender

[pnutbutr]

30. So, you're saying that

it needs more regulation and oversight as I stated originally because what some owners are doing is illegal and IMO they should be jailed for their actions. I don't believe all brothels are like that though. A one sided account by someone specifically looking for the negative only gives you half the story.

[seabeyond]

33. i am not going to google your research for you

the info is out there. no.... legalizing and more legalizing doesnt not make this a pretty, safe, comfortable choice for women. check out the countries that have legalized. and countries that have had it legal many years and decided doesnt work

or ignore, pretend, dismiss.....

[pnutbutr]

34. which countries

compare to the US in terms of workers rights and what types of regulations have been imposed with strict oversight and accountability?

Oh, you don't know?

[seabeyond]

35. amsterdam, switzerland, australia and boston

opened it up a while ago and then shut it down

now..... are you going to actually educate yourself or are you dependent on another to do the work for you cause really, you dont give a shit about the women

[geek tragedy]

37. He doesnt' need to know anything about women.

He just needs to save up some money so he can rent one every once and a while.

[seabeyond]

38. hence the very core of the issue. use, a thing

the nifty about a prositute is they are irrelevent, all about satifying self....

[pnutbutr]

39. I care enough

to give women the choice of another occupation instead of telling them they can't do it because you feel it is morally wrong and degrading. Maybe you need to hook up with the AFA and you all can work together to make sure women don't get a voice in their lives and save us all from the horrors of moral indecency.

Amsterdam, Switzerland and Australia don't have the necessary regulation I would recommend. It's a taboo subject so places where it is legal, the governments tend to just say go do it and then turn away thinking, if I don't look it's not really there and that leads to problems like in the article. If people would seriously address the issue, face it head on and force strict regulation and oversight these problems would diminish if not disappear.

[seabeyond]

49. you say legalize. i say it doesnt work. you say legalize more and it will

you are just so sure, of course it will. will make it all pretty then. everyone will be healthy wealthy and wise, cause you just know.... no facts. all supposition.

though you ignore all the core issues that will prove you wrong

then the good ole moral issue, and afa argument your side has then gotta throw my way. next do i get prude, fundamentalist, asexual, jealous and all the other redundant stuff you guys resort to

oh i know, no worse than working mcdonalds. and of course i would encourage my daughter to take on this "career" and be proud of her decision making abilities.... and you say i live in la la land?

cause women just LOVE to give 40 blow jobs in 2 hours, dontcha know

[pnutbutr]

52. you haven't presented

any core issues except the moral one. But I guess that really is the only issue isn't it? Your morality is not reason to subject women to your control. Unless you also agree with all forms of gender inequality based on moral objections. So, do you?

[geek tragedy]

57. Name another occupation that involves similar

rates of:

PTSD
Rape
Violence
Drug Dependence
Suicide
Poverty
People who wish they could do ANYTHING else
Trafficking
Slavery

[dem629]

70. Mostly b/c it's illegal.

[geek tragedy]

74. Yeah, otherwise it's just a dream job. n/t

[dem629]

93. Your words, not mine.

But your selective and sexist prosecutorial fantasy contributes to keeping the workers oppressed. But, hey, at least you come across as caring, right? Good for you!

[seabeyond]

83. mostly cause you are wrong. what a wimpy argument when countriess

las vegas, boston have legalized it and have documented evidence escalated the problems....

[dem629]

90. Could you put that in English? Thanks

[seabeyond]

100. it is pretty clear, as is my other post. you say legalizing prostitution will make everything nifty

facts state otherwise

pretty simple, even for the simple mind

[dem629]

101. Where did I say everything would be nifty?

You have nothing, otherwise you wouldn't need to make up stuff. Nice try.

[seabeyond]

110. glad to see you dont think being a prostitute is nifty.... k, try again. you say

this

PTSD
Rape
Violence
Drug Dependence
Suicide
Poverty
People who wish they could do ANYTHING else
Trafficking
Slavery


wont happen if it is legal. facts prove otherwise

[dem629]

116. Uh. You are arguing against yourself.

You wanted people to name another high-demand profession that is illegal and causes those things.

There is one. Prostitution.

You're making the case against your own position. Good stuff.

[seabeyond]

123. nope... not me. geeeeze, i wish you would pay attention. rollin eyes

lol, wink

[dem629]

125. That's what I mean. You have nothing.

I'm guessing you're another of those "protest too much" crowd, like the anti-gay activists who turn out to be gay in secret. You visit prostitutes, don't you. You feel bad about it, right? It's okay, talk to us. We're all friends here.....

[seabeyond]

128. english your first language? what the fuck are you talking about

you say: i am arguing with self

i say: wrong person

you say: That's what I mean. You have nothing.

i mean wtf dude.

[dem629]

131. LOL. You have the same position, you defended it, in this subthread.

Now your "defense" of that position is, "I didn't say it!"

LMAO. What a piece of work.

[seabeyond]

133. still dont know what the fuck you are talking about. what is my position.

that legalizing prostitution doesn't make all those ugly go away? they dont. look up the facts.

oh i know, you dont want to... hm. people that refuse to look at facts, what does that make them. since you are so good at pegging people, you can figure it out yourself

[La Lioness Priyanka]

107. things wont be nifty but atleast they wont have to deal with a double oppression by the law

for most of us, one oppression is enough.

[seabeyond]

117. my point in each and every post is legalization does not do what people are saying it does

facts shows us otherwise. and to start this whole sub thread with legal place all "pretty woman" ish.... is stupid.

you want to argue oppression twice, fine. sad day when we defend oppression once

i dont even give a shit about it being legal or otherwise. people make their choices, legal or otherwise, adn suffer the repercussion, legal or otherwise.

my sole argument is for people to say how much these female enjoy it, a good thing, a good life, no repercussion with choice... as long as legalized is utter bullshit, not true, a lie, denial

[geek tragedy]

108. When you legalize prostitution, it increases demand

for prostitution. You get more men demanding a wider variety of heinous, degrading, and dangerous stuff. Demand rises much greater than supply does--there are only so many women who want to be prostitutes--and so then you get an increase in trafficking of women who don't want to be prostitutes. And then you get competition amongst prostitution 'providers'--why pay $200 for a woman who won't do whatever you want when you can pay $50 for a woman who won't say no to anything and won't make you use protection?

Oh, that's right--because johns are soooooo concerned about preventing the exploitation and degradation of women. Hardy freaking har.

[dem629]

112. If you think prositution needs legalization to increase demand....

then you have far less of an idea what you're talking about than I initially thought.

Prostitution is illegal in most of the country. Tell us: How's that workin' out for the "victims"? TIA.

[geek tragedy]

114. Legalization increases demand for sex trafficking.

Ergo, is a net cause of sex trafficking.

[dem629]

119. You don't sound smarter just by using words like "ergo."

Why will you never address the women who do this of their own volition?

There's some other reason you're on this kick. Not sure what it is.

[geek tragedy]

124. Do you favor eliminating OSHA standards?

Workplace safety standards?

Because, exploiters will always find people willing to work in unsafe, dangerous, and harmful conditions.

[dem629]

127. Nope. I like regulation. Legalize and regulate prostitution.

You favor a double-oppression system that is kept in the shadows and victimizes more women.

[seabeyond]

132. they have legalized it and it doesnt work.

repeating a falsehood will never make it true. you know that dontcha

[EOTE]

170. No woman enters prostitution on her own volition!!!!

Because there are no women who enjoy sex or the prospects of getting paid for it!!! All men love sex and all women hate sex and only use sex as a way of obtaining men. Prostitution is dirty and women need to be protected from themselves by people who know far better what's best for them. Ergo, prostitution must be eliminated.

[seabeyond]

173. do you really think these prostitutes are enjoying it, bah hahhaha. lol lol, turned on by the little

dick, getting satisfied, having true blue out of the world orgasms, ooooh baby, you are so hot.... just making me feellll so goood.

oh

you are a funny funny guy

lol lol.

what are you a sex starved 13 yr old that still believes a woman is prostitute cause she just cant get enough

bah hahhahahha. this is funny post of the day.

[EOTE]

181. And apparently you believe there are NO women who enjoy it.

I know the truth resides in the middle. All you have are your completely warped and demented ideas as to what others should be able to do with their own lives. I'm asking you right now why you think that women get involved into legalized prostitution? I don't expect an answer, but I'd be pleasantly surprised if you provided one. Do they do it for the money? Do they do it for enjoyment? I know the truth is that ALL women who enter legal prostitution do it for one or the other or some combination of the two. So what is it? Enjoyment or money? And if you think they ONLY do it for the money, you'd like to remove their ability to do that as well, right? You're far too predictable. Let me clue you in on something. I HATE my job. There are lots of people who do their jobs even they they have an intense disgust of their jobs. And you comparing me to a 1 year old is laughable. I've yet to see you make a grammatically correct post in all your years at the DU. If I had to guess, I'd say you had the grammar skills of an 8 or 9 year old. So I'd leave age out of the discussion, it really reflects worse on you than on me.

[seabeyond]

184. no.... truth doesn't lie in the middle, firstly. second, ... there you go again

listen closely. i will say it really really slow.

i. dont. care. what. these. women. chose. it is none of my business.

has nothing to do with morality, their choice, how and why they live their lives as they do. effects me not. has nothing to do with me. i dont make judgment on their choices cause i am clever enough to understand the many reasons for the choices, and the repercussions of them, without deluding myself in believing something that is.

[EOTE]

186. So if you don't wish to make it illegal, what is your agenda?

To make those who choose to participate in it feel as badly as possible?

[seabeyond]

189. to be honest about it. good bad and ugly. all of it. to say legalizing makes it all pretty

is false. why should we have to do it in falsehood. creates all kinds of problems. how about accepting it for what it is in honesty. presenting it in honesty. admitting to the pain and suffering and maybe people may think twice before using another human being in such a degrading and dehumanizing way.

and if that is what you chose to do, use a person in such a fashion, than be at least brave enough to say out loud, you are using this body and she matters not. it is all about you

[EOTE]

196. Legalizing it may not be pretty and it may not be panacea.

But it's a hell of a lot better than what we have now. And if you are so willing to say that a prostitute is 'used' by being paid for sex, then I am being used when someone uses me for IT assistance. We're both providing a service (in my case a service I definitely don't want to do) in exchange for money. So by your rules, the people who ask me for IT help don't think I matter and they're selfish for asking me because it's all about them.

[seabeyond]

78. no... i havent presented a moral issue at all. geeeesh. lame

i have not stated anywhere they should not...

it is their choice.

you say legal and everything fine. that isnt factually correct, i called you on it and gave you core issues

you say make it more legal and all fine. no... doesnt work for other countries

you dont research, open mind, just say they did it wrong, if they did it your way would be fine

and it wont. you will always have the ugly involved in this cause it is an ugly selling a body for the use of another. the simple fact that one sees it as a thing, and the other gives it up to be a thing, it will be used.... and used hard.

did you spend anytime even think about signing a contract to be raped?
do you even think about a person giving 20 blow jobs in an hour?
have you at all put yourself in an empathitic mode to these women?
asked why they are there?
where they come from?
if they are desperate?

i can both say.... there choice, and i am empathitic, i understand their life. not hard. but then i am not trying to protect anything or justify my agenda.

[geek tragedy]

23. Barf.

More propaganda from the sleazy 'prostitution is a victimless crime' crowd.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

42. prostitutes are twice victimized by keeping prostitution illegal. nt

[geek tragedy]

59. The prostituted women should not be arrested.

Johns and especially pimps deserve to be punished.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

61. but prostitutes are the ones that are overwhelmingly arrested due to the current laws

which makes prostitutes in reality twice oppressed. once by poverty/addiction/immigration issues + once by keeping the laws unfriendly to women/men in sex work

[Upton]

65. Legalize it

and you won't have pimps.

[seabeyond]

89. repeating.... everywhere legalized there are still pimps. get the facts. n/t

[Upton]

98. Hey look, it's a member of the morality police

who are you to deprive a woman of her chosen career just because it doesn't meet with your approval?

Legalize it...

[dem629]

106. People like that just do it for public consumption. "Look how caring I am!" etc.... nt

[seabeyond]

166. people like me do it cause people like you dont give facts and are wrong

but hey.... dont take responsibility for what you post.

deny deny deny

lame.

[seabeyond]

163. where is the issue of morality. you state something that is wrong. i call you on it

and tell you that youa re wrong. and i am the morality police. how about getting your facts correct so i dont have to correct you.

and no where, on any of my posts have i stated these women should be denied their choice. i dont care. they can do whatever the fuck they want. not my business

oh look

its the person that yells morality police about everything and argues a bogus argument not even being made

[dem629]

66. Do you think it should be a crime or not?

It seems that you're advocating selective arrests.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

67. and also wishful thinking arrests. nt

[dem629]

69. And sexist. nt

[geek tragedy]

76. No, it's a pro-victim and anti-vicitimizer policy.

Johns and pimps are pigs, and deserve far worse than our criminal justice system gives them.

[dem629]

88. Do you want the women arrested, too?

[geek tragedy]

97. No. I don't favor arresting them.

Punish the people who fuel the demand, and those who exploit the women.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

99. what about gay male prostitutes?

[dem629]

103. Definitely sexist. Your position is based solely on emotion and anger.

[geek tragedy]

111. No, it's about treating women as people, not commodities. n/t

[dem629]

121. And when they break the law....?

[geek tragedy]

143. As I said, just make it a crime to pimp or to pay for it.

Don't make what the women do a crime.

[geek tragedy]

72. I do favor selective arrests--punish the villains

and help the victims.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

81. what about those prostitutes who are not necessarily victims?

[geek tragedy]

85. I'm sure there are some people who enjoy being beaten up.

It's still against the law to beat someone up.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

87. no, i think there are people who are paid $5000 a night and find it a profitable business

and its not against the law to be beaten up. doms are legal in nyc as long as they dont engage in prostitution

on edit: i know a prostitute personally who gets paid $200/night, has no pimp and enjoys his earnings. where should he be? in prison?

[geek tragedy]

118. As I said, I favor punishment for buyers and pimps. n/t

[MattBaggins]

137. No such thing

[La Lioness Priyanka]

139. yes, there are. there are people who have choices but choose prostitution

generally on the higher end.

[dem629]

95. Based on gender?

[Lost in CT]

233. That sounds nice but why would there neccesarily be any villians or victims. nt

[geek tragedy]

269. Pimps are always villains.

And the johns who keep the pimps in business are a co-equal part of the problem.

[maxrandb]

16. Redundant

Everwhere Hannity shows up automatically becomes a "Whore House".

He could go to the Vatican, and as soon as his dumbass walked past the threshold, it would become "host" to the biggest whore in the world.

[11 Bravo]

21. Who's that two-bit whore ..

standing in between Dennis and Amy?

[maxrandb]

29. I called Sean Hannity a "two-bit Whore"

and he hit me with a sack of quarters!

[JohnyCanuck]

31. Isn't it obvious? He's researching a story.

See he even has a pen in his hand for taking notes. ;-)

[11 Bravo]

46. One of the girls called him a "pencil dick" and he said "Nuh uh, it's a pen!"

[Lost in CT]

44. This reminds me isn't it time for the Spring Break special reports from the all news channels. nt

[KharmaTrain]

48. Did He Take The High Speed Train From Disneyland To Get There?

Rumor has it that Hannity's very well endowed...someone said "there's no end to that p**ck" :rofl:

[Iggo]

51. To put his thing in strange.

Duh.

[Upton]

58. Who's the blonde?

I don't remember seeing her on any of the HBO Bunny Ranch specials.

[lonestarnot]

63. That ting looks about his speed!

[lightningandsnow]

75. Sean Hannity is a hypocritical prick, but please do not use demeaning terms to refer to sex workers.

I know quite a few who don't appreciate being called "hookers"...

[dem629]

96. LOL.

[Xenotime]

104. What a psycho

[jmowreader]

129. You guys REALLY want to trip out?

Employment applications for Nevada's legal brothels!

http://thewildhorse.com/employment/employment.php

http://www.sagebrushranch.com/employment.html

http://www.pussycatranch.com/girlswanted.php

To work in Winnemucca in this business, you need a Winnemucca Brothel Work Card. What it takes to get one:
Be 21 years of age or older
Fill out an application at the Winnemucca Police Department
Have a five year employment record with names and addresses of employers or contractors and name of supervisors.
A complete criminal record listing all convictions
You can not have any outstanding warrants.
No felonies or gross misdemeanor in the past 5 years.
5 year residence record with addresses
You must have at minimum, 2 forms of I D.... Like driver license, state I.D. card, birth certificate, social security card, passport etc.
You will be fingerprinted, and have your picture taken.
You will go to a Nevada doctor here in for blood work and a vaginal culture. It takes 24 for clearance before your work card will be issued. We can help arrange your Dr. visit.

Except for the parts about fingerprinting and the vaginal culture, the requirements for prostitution are similar to the DOT requirements for a commercial driver's license.

Donna's Ranch in Wells, NV, posts the fees to get the card on their website: $50 to the state, $70 to a doctor for the required medical testing.

I don't know if prostitution could ever be considered a legitimate business, but this comes close.

[geek tragedy]

145. The 'customers' don't face nearly the same

scrutiny process. And, rest assured they always find someone who is willing to cater to their 'needs.'

[SmileyRose]

265. consenting adults

Honestly, I see no moral difference between buying it at a brothel no strings or spending the dough on dates and gifts to impress someone into agreeing. If both parties are adults, willing and able then who cares what they do with each other or how they work out finances. Even really strict religious cultures, like places where sharia law is king, have "temporary marriages" where they sign a contract and he pays her to be his temporary wife for a specified period of time. (which is just a fancy way of having prostitution)

[geek tragedy]

273. You see no difference between dating and prostitution?

I guess all women must be whores then. :sarcasm:

And, no, the fact that you're a woman doesn't make your repeating of misogynistic bullcrap any more appropriate.

[SmileyRose]

277. No I don't. I think see nothing morally wrong with prostitution.

I don't think of prostitutes as "whores" any more than I think of any other woman as a "whore". Who am I to pass judgment?


A prostitute provides a service for money. She uses whatever nature saw fit to give her. IMHO that is no more "whorish" than me using whatever nature gave me (as in my accounting brain) to provide accounting services for money. We have to stop stigmatizing prostitutes as "whores". The best thing we can do to stop the trafficing and sex slavery of women is to stop the prohibition bullshit and legitimize it as just another job.

If a woman is engaged in prostitution in THIS society, legal or not, then there's a pretty good chance she's already got more problems than she can handle on her plate. She sure as heck does not need me calling her a whore. I'm more interested in giving her better money making options than I am passing judgment. But you go ahead if you must.

[geek tragedy]

278. You think the man who pays for dinner is the same

as the man who pays a woman $50 and tells her to 'suck it?'

[SmileyRose]

279. twist all you want

You read what I said, you understood what I said. If you have a different view then just say so. If you want to have a discussion with me your going at it all wrong. I never made any comment on the men, except as part of "consenting adults". I am willing to discuss that end of the deal, but not unless you want to drop the bullshit.

[geek tragedy]

282. Here's what you wrote:

I see no moral difference between buying it at a brothel no strings or spending the dough on dates and gifts to impress someone into agreeing.

So, you see no difference between a man trying to impress a woman and get her to like him and offering her money to satisfy his urges without any regard for her feelings?

The latter is dehumanizing.

[SmileyRose]

291. You have called prostitutes whores and I disagree.

We aren't talking about emotion here, we are talking about the moral judgment society places on being a prostitute. Given your supposed concern for the poor woman at the mercy of evil men I'd think you'd use the word victim to describe them rather than whore.

And I realize men are usually on the financial end of the bargain but women do buy sex too. Women have also been known to use their sexuality and sex itself as a means to get what they want, without regard for the feelings of the man involved.

I put forth there are an awful lot of non-prostitution sexual transactions in this country where one partner or the other, or even both, does not have a whole lot of regard for feelings. Whether it's to satisfy urges, advance a career or whatever. And I would add there are more than a few DUer males who've had their hearts stomped flat by a woman who could care less about his feelings.

From a purely moral standpoint, I see no difference between a one night stand (or a 10 minute stand in some cases) and flat out buying it from a prostitute. I also see nothing MORALLY wrong with a man or a woman who's needs haven't been met in a traditional way purchasing sexual services. Now, whether we can make prostitution work well in our society is a whole other thing. But from a purely moral standpoint, again, I refuse to pass judgment.

I still have not gotten any answer from you on why you would see fit to brand a prostitute a whore.

[geek tragedy]

281. Delete.

[The Backlash Cometh]

160. That woman looks like she is half eaten by a water moccasin.

[PM Martin]

256. Look at all of these responses.

[flvegan]

259. My cat's breath smells like cat food.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

272. Biomechanical Hannity, on the other hand, eschews hooker houses and destroys them with his laser arm

[upi402]

288. lol, yeah Biomechanical Hannity slams revolving doors n/t

[WilmywoodNCparalegal]

274. A friend of a friend was an escort in college

She has a very healthy sexual appetite and enjoys having sex (wow! can't imagine that!). She was in college. She didn't need the money. She was never abused, molested or raped. She is not bipolar or schizophrenic. Most of her other friends were getting drunk on the weekends and would sleep with any frat boy who'd have them.

She figured that, while she enjoyed her sexuality, she may as well get paid for it, instead of sleeping with half the campus on a drunken binge. She didn't drink nor enjoyed the Greek scene on her campus anyway. She joined up with a reputable escort service and made about $250 an hour, of which $100 would go to the girl running the service, herself a Master's degree candidate in Chemical Engineering. She also got to choose what she would or would not do and she got to choose whether she wanted to see a client again.

To her, she figured that it was more debasing to women to get drunk and get laid with frat boys, rather than to consciously choose to exploit man's greatest weakness and make a few bucks, while doing something she enjoyed.

This is just an example and not a statistically significant one, but an example nonetheless. Not all women who are sex workers, especially those who work for high-end escort services or legalized brothels, are in it for less than dubious reasons.

Why is it that our society encourages men to have sex all they want, but when a woman wants to make a profit of it using her sexuality all of the sudden she is demeaned and debased?

[geek tragedy]

276. I'm sure I could find a gay black Republican.

Doesn't mean there's any valid conclusion to be drawn about the Republican party from their statements.

[SpartanDem]

289. You're no different than a right wing fundie

A woman should only be allowed to do with her body what you think is right. You just want to shove your morals and beliefs down the throat of others like the anti-choice crowd. But you're different, you're an enlightened liberal, right? Well maybe not so much.

[pokerfan]

292. pretty much

I really don't have a dog in this fight except that consenting adults do be allowed to do what they want.

Lots of sites with information on the push for sex worker rights at wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Sex_worker_organizations

[geek tragedy]

294. Key word being 'consenting'

Lots of young 'uns are convinced that all or even most women enter into prostitution because they like sucking strange men's dicks all day.

Which is crap.

But, the people who learn about this stuff in the halls of privilege at places like Wellesley or Harvard think they know everything . . .

[pokerfan]

295. it's really none of my business

as long as both parties are: a) adult and b) consenting.

[geek tragedy]

296. If you want to turn a blind eye to all of the exploitation, sure.

Thankfully, society has evolved past that kind of early 1900's viewpoint.

[pokerfan]

297. consenting adults

should be allowed to fuck whoever they please
for whatever reasons without your permission.

http://www.coyotela.org/what_is.html
http://www.bayswan.org/COYOTE.html
http://www.walnet.org/csis/groups/coyote.html

[geek tragedy]

298. And they should be allowed to work under whatever

conditions they want, for as many hours as they want, "freedom of contract" yada yada yada.

It should be illegal only for the buyer and the pimp. Let the woman do as she wants without fear of prosecution or persecution.

The johns and pimps can go straight to hell--not for having icky sexual practices, but for actively participating in the degradation and exploitation of women.

But, some on the left don't have a problem with degradation and exploitation, so long as it involves their right to pay for a blowjob.

[pokerfan]

299. Why, because it offends your moral sensibilities?

Consenting adults should be able to have sex, even without your approval. Just so I'm clear on my terms, these are the definitions I'm using:

consent 1) n. a voluntary agreement to another's proposition. 2) v. to voluntarily agree to an act or proposal of another, which may range from contracts to sexual relations. (Law.com)

adult 6) n. a person who has attained the age of maturity as specified by law. (Random House Dictionary)

You rightly seem concerned that sex workers are being exploited. You should feel free to contact any of the following organizations. I'm sure that they would appreciate your support.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAYSWAN
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COYOTE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Guild_for_Erotic_Labour
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davida
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durbar_Mahila_Samanwaya_Committee
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Collective_of_Prostitutes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Committee_for_Prostitutes%E2%80%99_Rights
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Union_of_Sex_Workers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarlet_Alliance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_Professionals_of_Canada
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_Workers_Anonymous
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_Workers_Outreach_Project_USA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMPOWER
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_Prostitutes%27_Collective
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prajwala
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salli
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X:talk

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300. Yes, the woman who was trafficked into that line of work at the age of 15

and is now 23 with no job skills, severe PTSD, and a chemical dependency is really consenting to it.

Whatever helps the johns and pimps sleep at night.

[pokerfan]

301. You seem a bit fuzzy on the definition of adult

[geek tragedy]

302. You seem a bit fuzzy on consent and more than a bit short on compassion.

Again, I don't favor arresting a single prostituted woman. I only favor arrest those who simultaneously degrade and exploit women, i.e. the pimps and the johns--the people whose rights you're really interested in.

[pokerfan]

303. I think we're done here

now that you presume to read my mind. For one last time: consenting adults. Trafficking fifteen-year-olds is neither.

pimps and the johns--the people whose rights you're really interested in.

Right. Those sex-worker organizations (whose links I provided) are actually run by pimps and johns. :eyes:

Have a nice day.

[geek tragedy]

304. How Lochnerian of you. n/t

[geek tragedy]

293. And you're no different than Tom DeLay or a common street pimp

You're not concerned with protecting women's rights of self-expression and sexuality--you're worried about protecting your own right to pay for pussy.

I know your type--seen it before. You get real angry whenever someone suggests throwing johns in jail. You dress it up in the langauge of feminism, but then again so do people like Larry Flynt and Hugh Hefner.

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287. If it's okay for Rush.... k/r n/t