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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 07:51 PM
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Why We Will Win



I spent three of the last four days in a hotel in a major American city, which is unusual for me. It is far more comfortable in my isolated, rural home. However, three things beckoned me to the temporary stay: a large book store; the opportunity to meet with a good friend who I have not seen in twenty years; and one of my daughters attending a national conference in the same building.

My interest in books resulted in my getting a fairly wide range of "new" reading material. I bought: three books on prehistoric archaeology (by an author I knew casually, and who was friends with one of my cousins, who is in one of his books); two books one former heavyweight boxing champions, Jack Johnson and Charles "Sonny" Liston; a couple of books by authors on the dark side – Charles Manson and Patrick Buchanan; and two light books by a couple of my favorite authors, Viktor Frankl and Erich Fromm.

While all of what I’ve read from the books thus far is interesting, I am most interested in Fromm’s book ("The Anatomy of Human Destructiveness"; 1973). As with all of his books, it is easy to apply it to today’s world. In the past six months, in conversations with my normal brother about the state that our society is in, I’ve found myself quoting passages from Fromm’s works, and my brother has begun reading a number of his books. The Frankl book is important to me, in part because in the past three months, one of my relatives and two of my friends have each had a son die unexpectedly.

My friend and his wife both have had careers in human services, and been active in politics. For a number of years before working in human services, he was employed by a then state politician, who has since become one of the more powerful members of the House of Representatives.

Later, for a period of about six years, although we worked for different agencies, our offices were next to each other. We enjoyed having lunch together, and discussing/debating the issues of the day. In our spare time, we got together to do things ranging from running campaigns for people running for local and regional political office, against the republican machine; volunteering with area youth programs; and the two of us located one of the more important archaeological sites (from the Hunter’s Home phase) in central NYS.

He and his wife, while certainly more conservative than the "average" DUer (if there is such a thing), are open-minded and highly intelligent people. They are horrified at what has happened to our society in the past eight years. Though they are city dwellers, they own a small camp about an hour away from my home, where they have stocked up on dry goods, etc., because they are convinced that our country has been brought to the brink.

I understand and appreciate their positions. As Fromm points out in the new book, our species has issues with violence, that are self-destructive. Future archaeologists may recognize, from the artifacts they find on our occupation sites, that our technology was far in advance of our ability to exercise a wholesome control over it.

I am also fully aware that many people are suffering, from a range of terrible circumstances that are in part the human experience, but which are also made far, far worse by the inhumanity of many of the people who are seated in positions of power.

Yet, I am confident about the future.

At the ceremony ending the national youth leadership conference that my daughter attended, my wife and I had the opportunity to talk with the lady that supervised my daughter’s group. She said that she had really enjoyed her time with my daughter – they exchanged e-mail addresses – and mentioned that this was the last time she would be involved with one of these conferences. She is going to be working as an attorney with a group that represents low-income folks who normally cannot access adequate legal representation within our system of justice.

And, to open the ceremony, another group leader began by quoting from Senator Robert F. Kennedy’s famous speech in South Africa. He noted that they had begun the conference by discussing this quote, and wanted to end on the same note:

"Let no one be discouraged by the belief there is nothing one man or one woman can do against the enormous array of the world’s ills – against misery and ignorance, injustice and violence …. Few will have the greatness to bend history itself; but each of us can work to change a small portion of events, and in the total of all those acts will be written the history of this generation.

"It is from numberless diverse acts of courage and belief that human history is shaped. Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring those ripples form a current which can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance."
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 08:01 PM
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1. The quote from Sen. Kennedy really made me tear up.
Thank you again, H20 Man, for a fine, optimistic piece, even when it wasn't.

Thanks also for your recommendation: Fromm's book sounds fascinating... "our technology was far in advance of our ability to exercise a wholesome control over it."

That seems like an excuse for lack of critical thinking, or not examining and learning from history. But I haven't read the book-yet!

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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 10:00 PM
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11. I once used that quote in a speech I had to give in Speech 101. Nice
memories.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 06:05 AM
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18. Even today,
when I see film clips of RFK (or MLK) from the mid-1960s, I get that old lump in my throat. My daughter likes to watch varios documentaries with me, that feature some of those films of Kennedy and King, and at 15, they are important influences on her thinking. So it made this old man feel good to be in a place where other adults were using their examples to illustrate what "leadership" means.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 08:12 PM
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2. Thank you H2O
Senator Kennedy's quote also made me tear up, and inspired this poor spirit, to keep on going. One foot in front of the other, one small act, to build a bigger picture of our humanity.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 06:12 AM
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19. RFK remains one of
the best examples to illustrate how when an individual changes, he or she becomes an agent of change. When an individual takes those small but significant steps of self-growth, everyone around them also changes. Every positive act sends out one of those ripples that Kennedy described.
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FarLeftRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 08:19 PM
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3. Excellent Post!
Yes, I do believe that things can only get better.

The pendulum swings from right to left and there will be positive changes.

BTW, PBS had a very good biography about Jack Johnson last month and I think that it was Ken Burns who put it together... did you see that?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 06:14 AM
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20. Yes, it was Burns.
It was a very good documentary on one of the most influential athletes in the nation's history.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 08:21 PM
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4. Yet another post for ther ages...
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 06:14 AM
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21. Thank you. n/t
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Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 08:30 PM
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5. Gladly recommended
and thank you for the message of confidence.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 12:51 PM
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23. Thanks.
There is something about having the people in charge of that conference using perhaps RFK's single most powerful quote that inspired confidence. More, listening to the 8th and 9th graders on the stage, speaking to a good-sized audience, was wonderful. They "got" the message that RFK sent so many years ago. It's meaning still sends ripples across generations. I will be either calling or e-mailing Robert, Jr., later this week, as I think he'll be happy to hear this.
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 08:36 PM
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6. You amaze me.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 01:06 PM
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24. Well, I hope that
is in a good way. (smile)

Late last week, I had yet another hard fall on the ice. Besides my back, I have had a swollen left knee, a right shoulder that "pops," a throbbing right elbow, and a bloody head. Ouch! In light of this, I simply cannot afford to think anything but positive thoughts. Otherwise, I don't think I'd want to be stuck in the same room with me.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 08:39 PM
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7. kr
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 01:07 PM
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25. Thanks! n/t
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 09:14 PM
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8. Hope and confidence
I sense that, too.

I'm always inspired by Senator (Robert) Kennedy's words; I met him when I was thirteen.

Now, about those arrowheads. What's up with those? My father had quite a large collection of them. Just curious.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 01:26 PM
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26. I'll bet that
was an experience that you'll never forget! Where did you meet him?

Those projectile points pre-date the bow & arrow in the northeast. They are from a stratified occupation site, with Meadowood on top; then Poplar Island; and some Bare Island points below (the site was previously "disturbed," so that has to be taken into account). The Meadowood is the characteristic point type for the early Point Penninsula complex, or Early Woodland, while the others go back to the Late Archaic. There are likely associations between the BI and PI types.

That photo is one my youngest daughter took with her new camera. I added it on the OP, kind of as an afterthought, because of the idea of other cultures from distant areas influencing the local culture. It's the kind of thing that probably only makes sense to me, and I suppose that my talking to myself is the price that DUers pay for reading my nonsense!

When/where did your Dad collect his?

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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 03:19 PM
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29. I met RFK on the steps of the Columbia County courthouse in Oregon.
He was here campaigning for the Democratic presidential nomination, but he lost the state to Eugene McCarthy. As we all know, he was mudered just a few days later after winning California.

As for the arrowheads, my dad picked them up on land near the lower Columbia River. This was in the forties and fifties. They were likely from the Chinook and Multnomah tribes. I'm told that when a man died, they loaded him and his possessions in a canoe and put it in the branches of a tree, where it would be swept away by the yearly spring floods. I always felt that was a dignified ending, a sort of back-to-nature thing.

Thanks for the information, that's very interesting.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 09:18 PM
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9. knr!~
Great post.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 01:29 PM
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27. Thank you.
It's curious, sometimes .... I expected this OP to sink. It has started to a few times, but I have been very pleased that some people on DU have enjoyed reading it.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 09:31 PM
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10. Yours is a broader view.
I had so much to say after reading your post. But I've sat here for quite a while, and have since edited it down to nothing. Haha.

I really have nothing to say that you didn't say better. You have a wisdom, and a way with words. You've inspired some very valuable thoughts. But there is no way I can express them without sounding silly and trite. So I'll just enjoy them without trying to express them here.



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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 12:52 AM
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16. I think that was
pretty darn well expressed, and thought out.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 10:38 PM
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12. The Constructive Use Of The Energy & Awareness That Is Often Expressed As Anger
I caught a bit of the panel discussion on Fareed Zakaria's show today. They were discussing the economy and there was a woman writer, didn't catch her name, who said she was stunned at the amount of anger in the country. And this was, she said, coming from someone who writes about, and has pursued the idea of, 'class warfare'. She repeated how it knocked her over. And I thought how blind so many have been in so many diverse ways. Those who have been giving the shaft to so many people and the people who are awakening to the fact that they've been mugged, big time.

If that anger can be channeled into activism, to people standing up for themselves and demanding the change we've been promised this may turn out to be a breakthrough moment for this country.

This board has been filled, this weekend, with excellent articles on the malfeasance of 'Wall Street" and the agencies who were supposed to regulate them, the ponzi schemes and the outright thieves. The thing that stood out, in all the mess, is the complete lack of morality that has become entrenched in our financial system. Now this didn't just happen in the last couple of years, and while Reagan had a big hand in it, I believe we can trace a lot of the current mess back to Prescott Bush and his ilk.

Time now, for us to demand our house be put in order and hold people accountable. Walter Mondale said, in reference to holding the * admin accountable, that precedent can be a dangerous thing. It's like leaving a loaded pistol on the kitchen table. Sooner or later someone is going to come along and use it. This applies to the economy as well as politics.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 10:46 PM
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13. Some Of The Good Articles Posted This Weekend
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 10:48 PM
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14. K&R n/t
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 09:10 AM
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22. !
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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 10:56 PM
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15. Kennedy's words are not only inspiring, but factually correct.
Everything matters, no matter how small. The idea that a person "can't do anything" is rubbish and a cop-out, no matter how fashionable such an idea may be. Even posting on DU counts for something. It all matters, and it all adds up. In this age of stylish cynicism, it isn't chic to say so, but there it is.

On top of that, one can take solace in the fact that conservatism is opposed to the very nature of reality itself. Existence is change. We will win, and more than that, we have already won. In fact, we won at the moment of creation. History is just a matter of sorting out the details.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 12:58 AM
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17. Side note: There aren't many well-known probability distributions having no average...
And it's unlikey that the DU ideological spectrum is well-modeled by one of them. :)
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 01:39 PM
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28. Thanks, H2O Man, I can use a little optimism about now. rec'd
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