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Smith_3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 11:41 AM Original message |
Ok. So under what conditions do you think a person should be able to come here and become a citizen? |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
1. One primary condition. |
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Smith_3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #1 |
10. How do you think America's economy would do if all foreigners left today? |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 12:20 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Actually, it would |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 07:06 PM Response to Reply #14 |
96. Yet corporations are saying there are few qualified American workers, while driving down wages too. |
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Eryemil (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 07:37 PM Response to Reply #14 |
108. Without taking into account that jobs would still be outsourced |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 01:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
25. "yeah pretty much keep all foreigners out" |
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superduperfarleft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 02:08 PM Response to Reply #25 |
33. I'm sure he/she was just talking about the brown ones, so that makes it okay. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 02:44 PM Response to Reply #33 |
48. Fail. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 03:13 PM Response to Reply #25 |
61. And the party of the working class too. |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 04:43 PM Response to Reply #61 |
76. "Big tent" but not a really "huge" tent, I guess. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 06:34 PM Response to Reply #76 |
85. The policies of a government are supposed to serve its citizens. |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 06:48 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. Do you believe that there should be a path to citizenship... |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 06:54 PM Response to Reply #88 |
91. A path? Yes. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 07:21 PM Response to Reply #85 |
104. I believe that's the same logic we fell back on |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 07:30 PM Response to Reply #104 |
106. Yup. It's exactly the same. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 07:41 PM Response to Reply #106 |
109. the same logic we fell back on |
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WillieW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 05:39 PM Response to Reply #25 |
81. to late, they are already here |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #1 |
34. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 02:47 PM Response to Reply #34 |
50. ... and no more Ingmar Guandique's either. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 02:56 PM Response to Reply #50 |
56. I think you are also assuming immigration always leads to a net increase in labor saturation |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 03:10 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. Many of those tech entrepreneurs were educated in US schools. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 03:22 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. I'm not sure why you are assuming that they were educated here |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 03:57 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. It's not an assumption that many non-citizen tech entrepreneurs were educated in US schools. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 04:12 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. Im not even talking about temporary workers.... |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 04:20 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. Okay, then there are basically two parts to the op's question. |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 06:50 PM Response to Reply #70 |
90. Give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses... * |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 07:01 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Isn't it ironic that the inscription is on a statue given us by old europe... |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 07:05 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. My God that's foul. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 07:10 PM Response to Reply #95 |
100. Well, thanks. |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 07:14 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. Maybe you should try emigrating. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 07:18 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. Doubtful. They are a generally more enlightened bunch. |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-05-09 01:51 AM Response to Reply #93 |
116. And where were your ancestors from, there? |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #1 |
35. What about those who marry US citizens? |
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NikolaC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 03:02 PM Response to Reply #35 |
57. Exactly |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 03:03 PM Response to Reply #35 |
58. That's a good question. |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 02:45 PM Response to Reply #1 |
49. Unless you are Native American YOU are the foreigner... |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 02:49 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. I am home. I was born here. |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 02:51 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Read my statement again. If you are NOT a American Indian YOU are the foreigner... |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 03:06 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. Read once. Read twice. |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 03:56 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. Are you deliberately being dense? |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 04:13 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. Yes, I am. |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 04:40 PM Response to Reply #68 |
74. You are missing the point. Never mind. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 06:30 PM Response to Reply #74 |
84. No one is original. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 06:50 PM Response to Reply #49 |
89. Um, they came here from somewhere else, too. |
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SurfingScientist (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 04:16 PM Response to Reply #1 |
69. Skilled, eager immigrants played a major role in keeping this country ahead... |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 04:27 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. As xithras pointed out upthread, that innovation was necessary because labor was scarce. |
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SurfingScientist (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 04:45 PM Response to Reply #73 |
77. Qualified labor will always be scarce in a country with a growing, leading tech industry. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 06:41 PM Response to Reply #77 |
87. The same argument is made about farm labor. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 04:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
72. Agreed. nt |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 11:48 AM Response to Original message |
2. This doesn't answer your question, but here's the standard I must meet for Swiss citizenship: |
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LuvNewcastle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 11:48 AM Response to Original message |
3. I think that if someone is being persecuted |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
4. Considering that this nation is non-native American in the majority, |
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Smith_3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 11:54 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. My post isn't anti-immigration at all. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
5. There must be full employment of U.S. citizens before work visas are issued. |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 11:55 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Yep. |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 12:27 PM Response to Reply #5 |
16. Wow. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 01:49 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. Yeah, good thing there is always an underclass of desperately impoverished people |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 01:58 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Plenty of immigrants come here for education or to work in a profession. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 02:07 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. And plenty of companies want to pay as little as they can |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 02:18 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. Oh yes, banning all immigration will fix that. n/t |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 02:23 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Well increasing it sure as shit won't. eom |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 02:30 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Did I suggest increasing it? |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 06:35 PM Response to Reply #23 |
86. that's what happened in the 19th century |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 02:01 PM Response to Reply #5 |
27. Aside from work visas though, what about skilled worker immigrants? |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 02:16 PM Response to Reply #27 |
36. Yes but relying on the ability to import skilled workers |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 02:24 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. I guess I always thought of immigrants as a garnish, not the base |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 02:40 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Immigration is but one facet of it. |
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superduperfarleft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 02:07 PM Response to Reply #5 |
32. So my wife, who is a Canadian citizen for now, and working on her US citizenship |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #32 |
39. Is your wife here on a work visa or because she is married to you? |
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superduperfarleft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 02:23 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Or maybe I don't like to write off all furriners as the cause of our problems. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 02:31 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. So I see you're not going to give up your job. |
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superduperfarleft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 02:40 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Who's clamoring to "open the borders?" |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 07:04 PM Response to Reply #46 |
94. Nobody's clamoring to open the borders. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-05-09 03:07 AM Response to Reply #32 |
120. Well yeah. She's totally the cause of all of our economic woes. |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
8. I'm fine with the way it is now. |
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Sen. Walter Sobchak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
9. I just can't get worked up about immigration |
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Smith_3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 12:10 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. I'm not complaining about immigration. |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
12. Wow - reading these replies and thinking where am I, Free Republic? |
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burythehatchet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 12:38 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Quite true. I tried "enlightening" a few of them, but to no avail. The bigoty |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 12:43 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Very true. |
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lightningandsnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 12:47 PM Response to Reply #12 |
20. This. |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
13. We should offer political asylum to those who are being persecuted unfairly |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 02:43 PM Response to Reply #13 |
47. The Land of Immigrants has always had a problem with immigrants |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 04:57 PM Response to Reply #47 |
79. Well said. Opposition to immigration is hardly new nor is the phenomenon of progressives |
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Jack Bone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
15. Military service should count. |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
17. It should be a hell of a lot easier. |
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blues90 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 05:35 PM Response to Reply #17 |
80. There is no clear cut answer but part of what you said is not true |
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WilmywoodNCparalegal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
21. U.S. Immigration Laws need to be better enforced and |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
22. We should model our citizenship laws after Canada- |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 02:04 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. Their standards are so high for immigrants, most Canadians wouldn't even pass the tests |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
24. Far as I'm concerned: if you're here, you're from here. |
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superduperfarleft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 02:50 PM Response to Reply #24 |
52. Best post on the thread. Thank you. n/t |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 06:57 PM Response to Reply #24 |
92. Rec this post. I've seen the phrase "open borders for people, closed |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 07:07 PM Response to Reply #92 |
98. Ah, but the phrase belongs to Organization Politique, not me. They fight for |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 07:57 PM Response to Reply #98 |
110. I wondered where that was from. Thanks! n/t |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
29. I like the Canadian rules, even though they adversly affected me. |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
30. I think you'd need quite a complex flow chart or venn diagram. |
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KG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
37. an open book, multiple choice quiz. |
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dustbunnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
54. Every prosperous country has an obligation to take in refugees - |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
55. We are all humans and the Earth belongs to us all. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 03:37 PM Response to Reply #55 |
63. Cool! I'm thirsty, where do you keep our beer? n/t |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 07:08 PM Response to Reply #63 |
99. Germany, Ireland, and the Czech Republic mostly. /nt |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 07:36 PM Response to Reply #99 |
107. Dang. Can I borrow some of our money for plane fare? n/t |
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dustbunnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 08:48 PM Response to Reply #99 |
111. Do tell. What are the policies? |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-05-09 02:23 AM Response to Reply #63 |
117. I think I left some in your fridge |
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dustbunnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 04:06 PM Response to Reply #55 |
66. You have two different thoughts there - |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-05-09 02:30 AM Response to Reply #66 |
119. People tend to stick to their own cultures |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
71. The ability to speak English fluently. nt |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
75. Work and don't break any laws. That's all I require. n/t |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
78. The existing law and process in my opinion are practical and show compassion |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 06:25 PM Response to Original message |
82. We already have a system in place. It just isn't being enforced. Compare our immigration to Canada. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
83. Human migration is just a force that has to be dealt with |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 07:06 PM Response to Original message |
97. Work hard... |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 07:17 PM Response to Original message |
102. Death match battle like Thunderdome. US citizens vs. would be citizens. |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 07:21 PM Response to Reply #102 |
105. And the Pay-Per-View fees would pay for the bank bailouts. |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-04-09 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
112. Ha! How about this: any person from any other country can challenge an American of their choice |
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mwooldri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-05-09 12:39 AM Response to Original message |
113. It can work both ways you know... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-05-09 12:47 AM Response to Original message |
114. INS is pretty clear on it |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-05-09 01:18 AM Response to Original message |
115. There are laws in place. Maybe if we just followed and enforced them for a while we could figure out |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-05-09 02:26 AM Response to Original message |
118. I have no fracking idea. |
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