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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 11:00 PM
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Warrentless Wiretapping Case-- Emptywheel Analysis Update. It's getting good!
Oh if she is right, this is getting GOOOOD. Keep in mind that most of these lawyers involved are Bush DOJ held-overs that have had this case.
(Somebody might want to double and triple check me on that, though, as to whether in fact they might be all held-overs.)


"Dead-enders", as she calls them, about to hit the brick wall with Judge Walker? Maybe discovered they are about to hang themselves?

Oh please oh please let it be so. This is, as they say in the comments section "holy shit" stuff!




Some Clues to What “Inaccurate” Information Bush Provided in al-Haramain
By: emptywheel Sunday March 1, 2009 2:11 pm


As I reported earlier, Obama's DOJ just confessed that the information Judge Vaughn Walker has received in the al-Haramain suit was "inaccurate."


The Government’s ex parte, in camera classified submissions also address an inaccuracy contained in a prior submission by the Government, the details of which involve classified information that cannot be set forth on the public record.



This post will make some wildarsed guesses about what "inaccurate" information DOJ provided to Vaughn Walker. As I explain below, I think the new declarations admit to new aspects of the warrantless wiretap program in general (most likely the way the government used datamining to select surveillance targets) and/or they admit that warrantless wiretapping was used to get warrants otherwise presented as legal.



http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/03/01/some-clues-to-what-inaccurate-information-bush-provided-in-al-haramain/

House of Cards!


referencing and x-posting from yesterday's thread from kpete:

Bush was lying to the Judge. Updated at 10:00 PM

Did Bush Lie to Vaughn Walker?
By: emptywheel Saturday February 28, 2009

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5156632#top

See also The al-Haramain Stall Timeline
By: emptywheel Saturday February 28, 2009 6:44 pm

http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/02/28/the-al-haramain-stall-timeline/
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 12:25 AM
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1. WHOA! Atty Thomas Nelson just showed up as a guest in the comments section.
Edited on Mon Mar-02-09 12:31 AM by chill_wind
Is anybody here at DU reading this stuff??

March 23, 2006
The Return of Black Bag Searches? Oregon Attorney on Why He Feels Federal Agents Broke into His Home and Office to Conduct Clandestine Searches

http://www.democracynow.org/2006/3/23/the_return_of_black_bag_searches


Attorney Files Ethics Complaint Detailing Illegal NSA Surveillance Discovered in the Al-Haramain Case

Jonathan Turley

http://jonathanturley.org/2007/11/26/attorney-files-ethics-complaint-detailing-illegal-nsa-surveillance-discovered-in-the-al-haramain-case/
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 12:45 AM
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2. Adding this Alternet article re: Nelson-- some really trippy sh*T
Potential Evidence Surfaces of Bush's Illegal Spying

By Onnesha Roychoudhuri, AlterNet. Posted May 8, 2006.

(much omitted-- see in intro)

The black bag jobs begin

Nelson officially started representing al-Buthi in September 2004; soon after, the FBI document was inadvertently released. A few months later, Nelson observed inconsistencies when he came to his office: His computer would be left on, disks still in the drive, materials shifted. Fellow lawyers from the office, working late, noticed someone on at least three occasions posing as a member of the janitorial crew, trying to get into the office.

The Oregonian reported that attorney Jonathan Norling "was sleeping on a couch at their practice early one morning last May, when a man dressed as a custodian tried to enter Nelson's office. Norling startled the man twice one night in July, when he caught the man trying to enter the locked office." The man in question had what appeared to be a valid badge for the building. But Norling notes, "This person wasn't a cleaning crew. I know the cleaning crew. I've worked here seven years, and I've worked a lot of nights, and I never experienced anything like that until Tom was working (on this case)."

Though Nelson approached the security people at the building, they wouldn't talk to him. "They were very blunt," he told AlterNet in a phone interview. He then took his concerns to the building manager. "It was all very disconcerting and inconclusive," says Nelson. "There was no direct denial. At the end, I said, 'You probably couldn't tell me if something was going on anyway.' He said, 'That's probably right.'"

After these incidents, Nelson brought the al-Buthi files to his house. That's when he and his wife experienced lapses in his home alarm that the company monitors refused to explain. "They basically stonewalled us," says Nelson. "We kept calling people and they kept referring us around and saying 'We'll call you back,' but no one would ever call back."




the rest (3 pages): http://www.alternet.org/rights/35807/?page=2

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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 03:51 AM
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3. Thanks for the head's up! I'm checking it out now. Then I'll come back to the OP. nt
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 05:31 AM
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4. Well, nothing I read surprises me. Bushwhack spooks invading U.S. homes and
lawyers' offices with no warrant; Bushwhack "data-miners" illegally surveilling all manner of personal/financial records of American citizens--and guess what? finding Elliot Spitzer's stupid credit card payment to a prostitute, Spitzer who was going to roast the New York banking and financial criminals before their Financial 9/11 hit a trillion dollars of taxpayer paid dirt; Bushwhack spies and toady lawyers figuring out ways to use illegal spying in legal cases. I have no doubt that Bushwhacks were doing all this and far, far, FAR worse. What is remarkable about these readings--the Democracy Now interview and emptywheel's legal spiderwebs--is that some of these points may become discoveries in legal cases, and turning points in those cases, but--more importantly--establish Bushwhack legal culpability for a few of their many crimes.

I appreciate the legal work being done on this matter--to get that far. I know how hard legal work can be, in a system in which justice and truth seem very remote, indeed. And I do cheer the victims on, especially. They have been harmed and I'm sure they have lived with fear and terror, being targeted by the worst terrorist organization on earth: the Bush Junta.

But...but, but, but...this all seems are bit closeted from the real world of raw fascist corporate power in which it seems obvious to me that Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld, and a few select "made men" among their chief operatives have been immunized not just from impeachment, back when they were still in the White House, but from all future prosecution. They are not going to be prosecuted in this country. Period. I think that is just very, very, very clear, from all visible behavior of everyone involved, over several years' time--from 2006, basically--the behavior of the perps themselves, of Congressional leaders, of Congressional committee chairs, of Senate leaders, of Senate committee chairs, of virtually all Democratic presidential candidates, of Patrick Fitzgerald, of Obama and his team, of Leon Panetta, you name it. All signals say no prosecution of the principles and their "made men." Hell, Leon Panetta just invited Rove to a debate about the new administration at his Monterey policy institute! Bush is off giving $250,000 farts and unintelligle mumblings to highly select groups of have's in Europe. They are all going to walk away. Their immunity is blatantly obvious. And, since Bush issued no pardons, who immunized them?

That is the question. People can pick at these issues all they want in court proceedings and Congressional hearings testimony, or have a field day with FOIA requests, and it isn't going to mean shit about accountability for torture, for massive domestic spying, for horrendous illegal war, for outing CIA agents, for grand theft on an unimaginable scale, for using the Dept. of Justice and all agencies of government for political vendettas and false prosecutions, for stolen elections, for destroying the USA in every conceivable way--politically, economically, morally--nor for all that we don't know, which I believe is mind-bogglingly bad and evil, beyond even any of the above.

They are walking away. And we need to know who engineered it and why. And until we know that, we can't even pretend to be a democracy, or to have a justice system, or a Constitution.

I have my notions of who and why, and even when. But I'm not going to repeat it here. I've posted it in comments many times, elsewhere at DU. I think it's better for people to ask themselves this question, rather than for me to speculate. Why are they walking away from all this crimes, and who arranged it?
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 09:17 PM
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9. In the time since I posted this late last nite, AG Holder
has just released a boatload of stuff on the junta I never imagined we would get to see this soon, if ever. I've barely dived into any of it yet, but between the report today about the additional CIA interrogations tapes, the stuff that just keeps coming on this case above, and the Obama DOJ decision to cooperate and disclose this latest raft of critical memos, I am on information overload. Not so much SURPRISED at the revelations, since so much of this has been been out there in large chunks of both known fact and deep well-founded suspicion, but it feels like a lot being let fly all at once.

You said-

"What is remarkable about these readings--the Democracy Now interview and emptywheel's legal spiderwebs--is that some of these points may become discoveries in legal cases, and turning points in those cases, but--more importantly--establish Bushwhack legal culpability for a few of their many crimes."

Exactly why I'm so completely riveted. The breadth and tentacles and meaning of this thing. If I read correctly (at emptywheel), Judge Walker may come out with another ruling as early as tomorrow.

THANK you for taking time to read along and respond here, Peace Patriot.


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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 10:31 AM
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5. I've seen the boys get away with Murder, literally.
and party afterwords to celebrate playing the 'System.' Laws are for little people like us, no them. Laws don't apply to them.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 01:15 PM
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6. K&R.
Marcy's doing some really good work on this.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 08:30 PM
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7. Watching this being unwound in real time, day by day, hour by hour
is eye-popping-- impressive beyond words. AND NOW- early today they began tearing into the OLC memos.

http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/03/02/breaking-previously-unreleased-olc-opinions-now-released/
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 08:32 PM
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8. As we read these wiretapping threads, I think we should assume that
these criminal activities (illegal wiretappings) are ongoing.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 09:25 PM
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10. Agree. n/t
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 12:50 AM
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11. Atty Wendell Belew has made an appearance in the comments.
Edited on Tue Mar-03-09 12:51 AM by chill_wind
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