Lilburn homeowner shoots, kills intruder at door

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

LILBURN, Ga. (AP) - Gwinnett County police say a homeowner shot and killed 1 of the intruders when two men kicked in his front door.

The incident happened shortly after 5 p.m. Friday when the men knocked at the door and when no one answered, kicked it in.

Police spokeswoman Illana Spellman said the resident fired, striking and killing one in the doorway. She said the second man ran away and police using search dogs were unable to find the man.


http://www.wtvm.com/Global/story.asp?S=9922659

[Tangerine LaBamba]

1. Just like the ADT commercial

But this is a very odd story.

Someone knocked. The man inside didn't answer, but he was ready with a gun when they kicked the door in?

I wonder who he was waiting for.

There's something "off" about this one, don't you think?

[tammywammy]

2. Or the gun happened to be near by and when they kicked in the door she grabbed it

No, I don't think anything's "off" with the story.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

5. That's not credible.........

It would have to have been in the owner's hand, ready to fire when the door got kicked in. No one moves that fast.

It's hardly the normal response to someone knocking at the door.

Now, what might have happened is that the owner peeked out and saw strangers at the door, got scared, got the gun, and hoped for the best.

That's the likeliest scenario, I think.

[sendero]

3. Could be anything.

... but one thing for sure, you kick someone's door in and you are asking to be shot.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

6. I agree

What's scarier?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

7. I don't know.

If I lived in a very bad neighborhood, with a recent rash of push in robberies and had an unexpected knock at the door at an odd hour, then I could see at least having a gun in my hand until I saw who it was. He might have been going to look through the peephole when they kicked the door in. He might be a rival drug dealer. He might be a crazy Army Ranger with PTSD. Hard to say. The police didn't seem to find anything nefarious about the man involved at least initially, or if they did, they didn't make it public.

David

[Tangerine LaBamba]

9. There has to be a lot more to the story....

The barebones outline of the story leaves a lot of questions. All the possibilities you laid out were quite credible. But, the way the story is told - albeit in the form of a Bulletin rather than an actual story - it's wanting.

How do you live in that house after that? Scary...................

[Irreverend IX]

13. He may have been carrying the gun in a holster when the door was kicked in.

The homeowner may have a concealed carry permit and a gun that he carries when he's out and about and also keeps on him when at home. Or if he doesn't have a permit, he may just carry the gun holstered at home. It's a good idea if he lives in the kind of neighborhood where burglars like to kick in doors.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

20. That's another possiblity

What a hell of a world, where you have to carry a weapon while you're in your own home.

This is America.

How many gun deaths in all of Europe and Asia last year compared to the United States? I heard the numbers recently. The comparison was tragic.

[tammywammy]

26. Maybe they hadn't been home long? nt

[MichaelHarris]

4. you still pushing that story?

We got it the first time.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

10. Hmmmmmmmm?

Say more, please.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

11. Sometimes the conversation needs to be expanded to general discussion.

No rules against cross posting. I appreciate the kick.

David

[jody]

8. Good for the homeowner, when criminals attack and seconds count, police are just minutes away. n/t

[tangent90]

12. Shame on that homeowner.

He missed one of the intruders.


Hopefully he hit him in a heavily bleeding spot .:D

[MannyGoldstein]

14. 824 Unintended Gun Deaths Annually

Probably more, actually: http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/111/4/741

Very sad.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

15. Man that's remarkably low, thanks for posting that.

[MannyGoldstein]

16. And How Many Are Saved By Guns In Self-Defense Each Year?

Is it worth the tradeoff? My understanding that a gun owner is more likely to be harmed by his gun than helped, but i don't have the numbers.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

17. For children it's incredibly rare, they aren't legally allowed to possess firearms.

Occasionally though a child will get an adults firearm and defend them self or someone else with that firearm. I don't know what would be involved in your trade off so I couldn't say.

David

[MannyGoldstein]

19. Looks Like Half Of Accidental Deaths Are Children

http://www.scottcounseling.com/wordpress/children-and-guns-accidental-gun-deaths-among-children/2008/04/27/

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

21. That's surprising, I would have thought it would be a higher percentage.

[elocs]

18. Not much action in the guns forum, huh? n/t

[Tangerine LaBamba]

22. Ohhhhhhh

So we're being wanked.

OK, I'm outta here ---------------------------->

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

24. See ya.

Just a friendly conversation, no wanking intended.

David

[Tangerine LaBamba]

25. No?

Well, that's good to know.

But, there's a certain desperation in the air............

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

27. Hmmm, I don't smell it. To be fair though my allergies are awful.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

23. Who likes talking to the same people all the time?

[elocs]

28. It just makes them easier to ignore for me, especially when they come in bunches.

I'm sure you can appreciate that.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

30. I'm more of a fan of open debate actually.

[elocs]

32. Then you've changed your modus operandi.

It's like this thread this morning: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=208x16513
entitled "What are you reading the week of March 1, 2009?". It's in the Books: Fiction forum where it fits nicely even though it could have been posted to General Discussion where I am sure they read also. Hell, I bet they even read in the Guns forum.

A place for everything and everything in its place.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

33. I'm sorry you are wrong.

Proving people wrong isn't shutting down open debate.

David

[elocs]

34. No, I don't think I'm wrong. (Although proving people wrong isn't shutting down open debate.)

These type of posts (and by you) were previously pretty much limited to the gun forum. Maybe the book forum would like debate also, so they should post in GD? As for me, I feel no obligation to engage in debate on a subject I would rather ignore. None of us are obligated to engage in debate on anything that does not interest us.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

35. So who is stopping you from ignoring this thread?

[elocs]

37. Nobody, but it was just easier when I simply saw "gun forum",

but you may just have given me an easier way to ignore them all.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

38. I would have thought the title was a dead giveaway.

[MrSlayer]

29. An effective way to prevent repeat offenders.

And maybe the other asshole has learned an important lesson about fucking with people.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

31. It will definitely do that.

[HughMoran]

36. Hope nobody tries that here

I really don't want to have to shoot anybody :(