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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 08:49 PM
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I got a whiff of a great shift in America tonight
Edited on Mon Mar-26-07 08:53 PM by Skip Intro
Maybe its what many here have been feeling for some time - since the last election, or last year entirely, or the year before, or the year before that. I don't know when it happened, only that I got a strong sense of it tonight. I feel the country, the nation, as a whole, coming to a new and final rejection of the bush regime.

I was one of the ones who cheered on election night last November, but had kept the sense of doubt that anything would really change. I just hadn't seen it happen before. I missed Vietnam and Watergate, a kid, unaware. But I knew something big was happening. I don't' know if what's going on now is like what it was then, but I felt tonight that America has simply had enough.

The people want a bright light shone on all the dark little activities, in their names, of this regime. They want investigation, they want truth and honesty from those who serve them, at their pleasure. They want accountability for the failures of 9*11 and Katrina. They want accountability for the disdain of and attacks on the document that protects the people's freedom, liberties, rights, and ultimate authority over those trusted to serve them. They want accountability for lies, lies that killed, and continue to kill.

A tipping point has been reached. Maybe it was reached a while back, maybe recently, but tonight, I felt it. Out of the blue, I felt it. A stampede from a poison well, with love of country and remembered ideals of truth and justice and honest leaders with the best interest of those they serve at heart. They're done with the regime.

Maybe it happened right after the installation of the regime, maybe it happened today, as a pivotal piece of reality finally proved too much for the fantasy world of the church of bush to withstand, but I think I finally know it happened. I just sensed it tonight. Strong as hell, no going back. Its over for the current regime.



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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 08:52 PM
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1. Word. n/t
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PurpleChez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 08:55 PM
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3. word UP.
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 11:04 PM
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23. Couldn't resist...
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 08:55 PM
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2. No, It's happening now, the RW Noise machine is shut off
It's been quiet, very little ranting and the only ones appearing on Tv to defend him are
not elected officials but former lackeys who have lucrative careers somewhere outside
the beltway now.
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eringer Donating Member (338 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:00 PM
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4. Yeah, But You Know What is Really Scary?
What is really scary is that there would have been no one to stop this "mad cowboy disease" had it not been for the Iraqi People's decision to go to war with themselves before the last election cycle. How Ironic! The Iraqi People are destroying each other to save...US! Remind me to send them a "Thank You" note!
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:56 PM
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14. There's so much more, though. Katrina was the crippling blow. Iraq has been fucked up from the git
go. The civil war was a given and has actually gone on much longer than the corporomedia would lead one to believe. Welcome to DU. :hi: MKJ
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 10:02 PM
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17. Check it out
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eringer Donating Member (338 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 10:12 AM
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29. Understand Your Point
Edited on Tue Mar-27-07 10:16 AM by eringer
Granted a lot of bad things happened under GWB prior to November 2006. I do not believe, however, that any was as devastating to the Republican party than its failure in Iraq. This was the "tipping point" in my opinion. Had things gone differently in the war, we would still have a Republican congress. Call it an oversimplification if you want. I am more inclined to call it reality. Corporate media may be making this argument (that the war was the primary reason for the turnover in congress) knowing that the war will end sooner or later. Pointing their finger at it as the reason for the change in November 2006 facilitates its argument that the people will return to the Republican party once the smoke over Bagdad clears. Unfortunately, that is the situation we have and I am not sure that the Democratic party is strong enough yet to overcome the media spin. Perhaps if it get things done like appropriate the money to rebuild the levies. Improving its traction on such issues will increase its credibility with the American people and, as a result, lengthen the party's "shelf life."
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 10:46 PM
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36. Yes, because War has been America's biggest industry
since WWII, and is now one of the few we have left. For about 60 years, the military-industrial complex has sucked up the lion's share of the wealth in this country. So if they LOSE a war, they lose the very reason for their existence. Then the whole bloodsucking sham is exposed for exactly what it is, and that's what's happening now.

Re >>Granted a lot of bad things happened under GWB prior to November 2006. I do not believe, however, that any was as devastating to the Republican party than its failure in Iraq. This was the "tipping point" in my opinion.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:03 PM
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5. I think you may be right--I hope so--and you'd better be, or
the whole world is up that creek without a paddle.

Let's be aware, this time, of what happened last time. First there were all those hippies protesting the war, then the general public turned sour on the war, then Nixon tried to steal the country and got his ass kicked, leaving Ford as a caretaker. Then there was that brief moment in the sun for Jimmy Carter, solar panels on the White House roof and all, and we all started breathing again. Then (at the urging of our oil companies, and in conspiracy with OPEC), oil prices kicked inflation through the ceiling, Carter did his "malaise" speech, and the Puggies set up the hostage crisis. Soon we were on to Reagan, the collapse of the unions, the death of civility, the apotheosis of Big Oil, and onward to the present. If it took Nixon to open China, it took DLC Clinton to pass NAFTA & "welfare reform." Remember that there are no great liberal legacies from the Clinton years. This was not FDR, not even LBJ. There have been no great liberal initiatives since Civil Rights, circa 1965.

So Goddamit, this time when we get the reins back, we had better build something that lasts.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:19 PM
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7. What better "last" is the American people don't go to sleep at the switch again.
"So Goddamit, this time when we get the reins back, we had better build something that lasts."


Gonna need these



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luckyleftyme2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:37 PM
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9. EXCELLENT

WHATS THE GREATEST EXPORT TEXAS HAS? BULLSHIT OF COURSE!
LETS SEE THESE PROTECTORS ON SALE EVERYWHERE;AND LETS WEAR THEM TO OUR LOCAL POLITICAL MEETINGS.
I JUST LOVE THAT PICTURE! CAN YOU SEND IT TO RUSH AND COMPANY? HOW ABOUT FOX NEWS!
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 02:57 AM
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26. 300 pairs of them to be exact
:-)
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:25 PM
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8. The net-roots need to make sure of it.
"So Goddamit, this time when we get the reins back, we had better build something that lasts."

If and when * and all his cronies are gone, we need to continue our activities. We cannot sit back, take it easy, and live happily ever after. We need to keep pushing just as hard as ever. We need to always assume that this enemy is not gone but merely in hiding, licking its wounds, and planning a comeback.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 05:48 AM
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27. "We need to always assume that this enemy is not gone...
"We need to always assume that this enemy is not gone but merely in hiding, licking its wounds, and planning a comeback."

Indeed, look at 1974...it was just six short years later...
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 11:01 PM
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22. "we had better build something that lasts" - amen
and, another global corporatist in the White House is not the answer ~ imho

"...there are no great liberal legacies from the Clinton years. This was not FDR, not even LBJ. There have been no great liberal initiatives since Civil Rights, circa 1965."



sometimes I think I'm all alone in the rabbit hole, and along comes your words







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ellaydubya Donating Member (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:16 PM
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6. Oh, yeah!!
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!!! Let's get it on!!! Enough is enough!! Clinton's blow job versus the obliteration of our constitution, our rights, our integrity, our pride- give me a break!
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:49 PM
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10. With the feedback loop cut, everything appeared fine.
Years went by without it. No media, and fake media with a spin. The power of the internet has replaced and supplied that feedback. But only through the incessant and deep research of those many dedicated and intelligent citizens. I would like to think that I'm wrong about Americans. Maybe they can have their Lexus and be engaged in their country too. Something tells me we were drifting aimlessly due to lack of control. And maybe there are true democratic values intact everywhere.
Like a great DUer here has said a few times "death by a thousand paper cuts". It wasn't easy. It took a hell of a lot of attempts. But a few were fatal.

And they did it to themselves. One of the unimaginable consequences of this administration was the engagement of the citizenry of America. There were those who didn't need the tube at 6pm. We created our own feedback. The hard way. We were the media.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 09:54 AM
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28. I ain't buyin that, G. I love your perspective and also know that
you were around for the Reagan Era BS...

"With the feedback loop cut, everything appeared fine.....Years went by without it. No media, and fake media with a spin."

Everything did not "appear fine." The fakery in itself told us that there was a BIG PROBLEM. The fact that so many bought into it was a BIG PROBLEM. Still is.

See my other post for the antidote.

:hi:
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 01:47 PM
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32. This is what I love about DU.
But I also have a disagreement. You're right- things did not appear fine, if one were paying critical attention. I had the BS detectors on. And this is why I love DU. Because there IS critical attention being paid. It's difficult and uncomfortable, like paying attention to FOX Noise, but it's more productive than just not paying attention.

To me, things appeared fine. I didn't see the Contras as what they were, due to the lack of information in the media. But had I been paying attention, I would have wanted more information.

I'm still very slowly learning to be a critical thinker. I don't know how I managed to graduate as an engineer without being highly analytical in my thinking. But I did. And I'm learning how emotional and impatient I am.

I am fortunate to have this forum.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 08:33 PM
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33. "It's difficult and uncomfortable... but it's more productive than just not paying attention""
Edited on Tue Mar-27-07 08:36 PM by omega minimo
How very apt. Maybe you're lucky to have engineering skills, and be in touch with your emotions (and those beautiful photographs :thumbsup: ).

It mattered back then that people not fall asleep when Ronnie Raygun hit the screen, not forget the lessons of Viet Nam and Watergate, not buy the Ollie North and "I don't recall" bullshit, not neglect to IMPEACH REAGAN.... but there was a huge disconnect and it went the way it did and it took reaching this homocidal level to get America's attention again.

So-- if we survive this, how do we make sure people don't go to sleep again?

The upheavals of the past decades made the general public more aware of American government than the crop of pampered poodles/Sheeple of today. As has been pointed out, the impeachment of the Bush administration will educate the public and could cleanse the festering wound at America's heart.

:hi:
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 09:51 PM
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34. Thanks.
Gosh I forgot about journals in all of this confusion.

I just picked up my camera tonight. I've moved, and most of what I own is in another part of the state.

Most people don't respond without a crisis. Whether it's fascism or something as serious as global warming. A few of us are way ahead on some things. I've been on the global warming bandwagon for thirty years, although it wasn't called that. There are some things I just know. I like responding while there's still a chance to control the situation. Argh, that's another conversation. Or two.

I need to get out and photograph stuff. Once in a while I get lucky. It feels good to have positive feedback.

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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:51 PM
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11. We can only hope the people will
remember this great lesson beyond the next American Idol pick or winner of Survivor, Timbuktu. That's what bothers me: people forget all the shit this regime dish on us. Amnesia? it's not any worse in the WH and Pentagon than it is in the typical, distracted, American household.
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Shine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:55 PM
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12. I have felt it for a while, but I'm glad it's catching on
I remain full of hope. :thumbsup:
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byronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:55 PM
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13. Really, I totally agree. Cooked. But they may still shoot for the moon.
Probably not. The stereotypical neoconservative contains hate and fear as primary movers -- they've imagined that they could always just throw the switch and fill the camps, deep down you know they have thought this -- but it seems they've fallen down, and they can't get up. The sharks have turned towards the blood in the water. Uh-oh. HENRY WAXMAN, HONORABLE AMERICAN STATESMAN, buddy, that is his goddamn name, and he is standing up so directly, so correctly, that his face is burned into my memory, like so many JFK and MLK and RFK images. That is an American. The Pivot. The Shape of Things to Come.

But -- as we speak, I wouldn't doubt that the future is being determined somewhere, somehow, by some single hyper-connected, well-trained moderately-Republican civil servant who is just saying 'No' to the Final Solution.

Hope so. Maybe I'm being paranoid. Seen those Hallibuton Detention City articles? Hmm.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:56 PM
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15. A HUGE improvement over that whiff of a great "shift minus the F" that we've been smelling since the...
Supremes installed his Highness on the White House Porcelain Throne.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 10:02 PM
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16. Hope against hope.
I hope you are right.

It's been a long time coming.

The majority of Americans and virtually ALL of the rest of the world feel the same.

America, we miss you.
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byronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 10:06 PM
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18. The other night, I thought of what I would advise Rove to do.
Easy. Move to the middle. Apologize, confess, a few tears, and honest conversation with America. Rescind all torture practices, making a great show of contrition. Explain it as darkness in the national psyche. 'We were so wrong. Toture doesn't work.' (So they'd have to give up the sex thrill. Is that so much to ask? Just that one thing.) Agree to discuss a timetable for Iraq withdrawal with Democrats, but ask for this one bill to let it ride without it. Meanwhile, apply tremendous pressure to every media outlet to accept and embrace the mea culpa.

Boom. 60% approval ratings in thirty days. It's their rigidity that's dooming them. Thank the Universe.

And Karl would say -- "No! We have many units all around Berlin! Unite them to smash the Russians and drive them back from the Chancellory. The Fuhrer will never submit! The German people deserve to die gloriously!"

And that would be the irony, you see.
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Oak2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 02:44 AM
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25. The day that would have worked is past
The American people are deeply skeptical of *anything* that comes out of this White House now. Concessions by this administration would have turned things around in 2004, 2005, perhaps even 2006. But it is too late now. Right now concessions would have the effect of fueling anti-administration sentiment, just as concessions by authoritarian regimes during uprisings have the effect of accelerating the demand for regime change.
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Jersey Ginny Donating Member (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 10:10 PM
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19. Rutgers beat ASU in women's bball!
After our greatest football season and now this unexpected and wonderful bball tourney, something strange is going on in the world and it is GOOD! When was Rutgers ever this good? Miracles happen. I know. I'm a Rutgers fan who has been living in the gloom for decades!
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 10:23 PM
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20. From Tim Weiner's book Blank Check to Alfred McCoy's
The Politics of Heroin: CIA Complicity in the Global Drug Trade, we now see that the off the books funding of 'black ops' has a component of also funding the GOP via contractors and false front companies. Whether Congress investigates or not the PUBLIC (WE, THE PEOPLE) now know the score and we're tired of having our pockets picked (we make up for the lost spending in tax breaks to the top on and a half percenters).

Time has come today !
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 10:50 PM
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21. There' change, but it's all about timing. It's scary. I don't believe
Cheney and his friends have stopped trying. He doesn't give a damn what we think of his plan (make that the barons plan that he is to fulfill).

The big question is - if they have stopped planning to bomb Iran, will they tell us.

If not, how do we know when we can breathe?
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 11:04 PM
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24. We tread the razor's edge...
Edited on Mon Mar-26-07 11:05 PM by BushDespiser12
the glint of hope reflecting upon our souls. May your words be prophetic.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 10:24 AM
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30. Fantastic post, very inspirational. Are you barack obama ? jk :)
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 10:26 AM
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31. When I first read that headline, I missed a crucial 'f'. n/t
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 10:30 PM
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35. I was in my mid-twenties during the Vietnam/Watergate years,
and YES, now is very much like then. If not more so.

Re >>I missed Vietnam and Watergate, a kid, unaware. But I knew something big was happening. I don't' know if what's going on now is like what it was then, but I felt tonight that America has simply had enough.<<
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 10:52 PM
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37. I still think Katrina was the the tipping point.
That's when I sensed that he had peaked.Up until then he kept everyone on the defensive but he couldn't do that anymore after Katrina.There was finally something negative that people could say about Bush without fear of being labeled unAmerican.That particular red herring didn't fly in the face of that situation,and since then he's been the one on the defensive.
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