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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-20-09 10:51 AM Original message |
Poll question: Bill Clinton or Ralph Nader: Who did more damage to progressive causes? |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-20-09 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
1. You mean Nader the Traitor |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-20-09 11:08 AM Response to Reply #1 |
12. Mr. "Look at me!" "Look at me!" The Harold Stassen of our era |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 08:10 AM Response to Reply #1 |
95. So he wasn't allowed to run in 2000? |
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Tommy_Carcetti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-20-09 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
2. Oh FFS. nt |
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BGoldsteinish (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-20-09 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
3. The most loaded question ever...lol |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-20-09 02:04 PM Response to Reply #3 |
16. Nah, best popcorn thread ever. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-20-09 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
4. . |
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Orwellian_Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-20-09 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
5. Clinton, Republicans agree to deregulation of US financial system |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-20-09 10:59 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. and helped out media consolidation w Telecom Act of '96 |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-20-09 11:02 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Plus NAFTA |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-20-09 11:05 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. worse than NAFTA-MFN Trade status w China: |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-20-09 11:36 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Ralph under a RATpubliCON controlled House and Senate |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-20-09 03:53 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. So you're positing a hypothetical Nader presidency as worse than the Clinton reality? |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-20-09 04:30 PM Response to Reply #17 |
26. No one's defense - Just saying Ralph would have been Worse |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-09 11:59 PM Response to Reply #26 |
54. I doubt you have the faintest idea of the platform that Nader ran on . . . |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 12:27 AM Response to Reply #54 |
65. Ralph made it all possible |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 01:01 AM Response to Reply #65 |
71. How . . . ??? |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 01:26 AM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Gore did not win no matter how the votes were counted |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 05:57 PM Response to Reply #73 |
107. The press reported Gore won . . .. |
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vanderBeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-20-09 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
6. Yummy, Popcorn. |
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Wetzelbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-20-09 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
7. woa... this would be a good one for me to stay away from, |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-20-09 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
8. The Greens owe more to Clinton than to Nader. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 12:03 AM Response to Reply #8 |
55. The Greens were threatened by Democrats co-opting their party . . . |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 12:34 AM Response to Reply #55 |
66. Dems did nothing to protest that huge steal? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 12:43 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. BS . . . Gore caved immediately -- |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 01:29 AM Response to Reply #68 |
74. Now its supposed to be Gore's fault because he listened to |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 01:32 AM Response to Reply #68 |
75. It must save wear and tear on a keyboard |
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Frances (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-20-09 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
13. Stupid poll |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-20-09 01:57 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Factually challenged? How are these for facts? |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 09:00 AM Response to Reply #15 |
127. So Bill Clinton is responsible for the last eight years? |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-20-09 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
18. NAFTA, deregulation, lifetime fodder for right wingers |
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rvablue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-20-09 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
19. Nader is a trust fund baby. It's so easy to stand on the side lines and take pot shots |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-20-09 04:49 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. Maybe that's why "Poor Little Bill From The Wrong Side Of The Tracks"... |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-20-09 05:09 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. He was bought by public opinion |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-09 12:05 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. People voted for a progressive candidate in '92 |
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mattclearing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-09 06:10 PM Response to Reply #19 |
47. "It's so easy to stand on the side lines and take pot shots at everyone for not being as great as |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 12:09 AM Response to Reply #19 |
56. Unfortunately . . . |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 02:10 AM Response to Reply #19 |
86. Oh yes, the child of Lebanese immigrants, who's father worked in textile mills is a trust fund baby. |
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jeffrey_X (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 09:59 AM Response to Reply #19 |
101. "What concrete contributions has Ralph Nader made to anything?" |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-20-09 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
20. I can't vote because, I view the damage as equal. n/t |
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burythehatchet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-20-09 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
21. Nader regulates. Clinton deregulates. You tell me what's more harmful. |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-20-09 04:10 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. my question is: "why is this so fucking close?" |
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burythehatchet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-20-09 04:13 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Party over principle. |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-20-09 04:27 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. people who think that politics is a game and as long as the ones in the blue jerseys are winning |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-20-09 04:52 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Because if Nader had not run in 2000 Al Gore would have been President |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-20-09 04:57 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Bill Clinton's disastrous Republican policies..... |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-20-09 05:00 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Lots of things contributed to the economic crisis |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-20-09 06:04 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. Gore won. The country and Florida. Bush stole it. Nader had nothing to do with it. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-20-09 06:13 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. New Hampshire was well within the Nader margin |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 12:22 AM Response to Reply #36 |
61. The press recount reports that GORE WON . . . no matter how it is counted . . . |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 03:02 AM Response to Reply #61 |
92. Gore won but he was never inaugurated |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 12:18 AM Response to Reply #28 |
59. Personally, I don't think you're giving the GOP sufficient credit for stolen elections . . . |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 01:34 AM Response to Reply #59 |
77. Would you mind repeating that? |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 02:55 AM Response to Reply #59 |
91. New Hampshire was well within the Nader margin |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-20-09 04:56 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. The DLC contingent always rallies around Clinton threads |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-20-09 04:59 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. yup...their astoturfers usually come out in full force |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-09 11:38 PM Response to Reply #31 |
50. What's that? Ass-toe turf? |
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bobthedrummer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-09 05:27 PM Response to Reply #29 |
45. Yep. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 12:19 AM Response to Reply #45 |
60. Agree . . . entirely--!!! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 12:12 AM Response to Reply #23 |
58. And so blinded by the scapegoat that the Democrats gave them . . . |
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NoPasaran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-20-09 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
22. I'll be damned if I'm going to vote for Nader |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-09 12:59 AM Response to Reply #22 |
38. curses - foiled agin! |
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hiphopnation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-20-09 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
32. yes n/t |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-09 01:16 AM Response to Original message |
39. NADER, Clinton never claimed to be a liberal |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-09 01:31 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. But that's not the question. |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-09 01:45 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Nader for the reason i gave |
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iamthebandfanman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-09 01:48 AM Response to Original message |
42. yikes, wheres the both option? |
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Jack_DeLeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-09 02:19 AM Response to Original message |
43. Clinton, if he didnt fuck around on the job, we could have had Gore in 2000... |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-09 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
44. Democratic Underground lives! |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 01:58 AM Response to Reply #44 |
123. Depends on your view of the continuous corporatist state that Obama now gets to preside over |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-09 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
46. The Clintons are to progressive what decaf is to coffee. |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-09 06:34 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Amen! |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 12:23 AM Response to Reply #46 |
63. Tastes a bit weaker, but doesn't keep you up with anxiety all night? nt |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 12:39 AM Response to Reply #63 |
67. Like Decaf, it doesn't just taste weaker, it is weaker. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-09 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
48. Finally. A vote for Clinton I can feel good about |
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Ichingcarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 12:12 AM Response to Reply #48 |
57. LOL..... me too! |
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ThoughtCriminal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-09 11:48 PM Response to Original message |
51. IBTL |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-09 11:56 PM Response to Original message |
52. Bill even admitted that he screwed up |
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No.23 (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-09 11:56 PM Response to Original message |
53. What an incredibly assinine question. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 01:13 AM Response to Reply #53 |
72. But I agree with your views. |
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No.23 (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 01:33 AM Response to Reply #72 |
76. Thank you, JR. |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 01:38 AM Response to Reply #72 |
79. Its a battle between the reasonable |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 01:42 AM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Sanctimonious fringers? You mean, like the DLC? |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 02:18 AM Response to Reply #80 |
88. The DLC is right of center |
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No.23 (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 02:23 AM Response to Reply #88 |
89. I'm glad to see that someone else also sees... |
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bobthedrummer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 12:47 AM Response to Reply #88 |
116. "Know Your DLC: Current DLC Leadership Team and other Democratic Leadership Council links" |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 01:19 AM Response to Reply #116 |
119. Lots of interesting information on the thread |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 12:22 AM Response to Original message |
62. Fuck Nader. Fuck Nader voters. |
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No.23 (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 12:27 AM Response to Reply #62 |
64. No thanks. |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 08:14 AM Response to Reply #64 |
97. Yeah, but a green penis suggests lots of mold or fungus or STD or something... |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 08:34 AM Response to Reply #64 |
100. Welcome to DU! |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 08:14 AM Response to Reply #62 |
96. Wow. People tell me I need to 'get laid', but you're offering to give free lays to people?! |
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bobthedrummer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 01:49 AM Response to Reply #62 |
121. With what??? |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 12:45 AM Response to Original message |
69. What damage did Nader do? |
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Yukari Yakumo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 01:00 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. He gave us 8 years of Bush. {nt} |
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Ichingcarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 01:37 AM Response to Reply #70 |
78. Gore even disputes that nonsense. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 01:45 AM Response to Reply #78 |
81. Excellent point! Gore doesn't blame Nader... |
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Ichingcarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 01:51 AM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Nader's analysis of what has been going over the years has never missed its mark |
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No.23 (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 02:00 AM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Have you excelled in archery long? |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 08:02 PM Response to Reply #81 |
110. because it's far easier to hate Nader than address the split in the party. |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 06:10 PM Response to Reply #70 |
109. lol |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 08:16 AM Response to Reply #69 |
98. See post 95 above. Nader didn't do any. People love to scapegoat him. |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 02:02 AM Response to Original message |
84. Anyone who voted Clinton turn in their progressive cards at the door. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 02:13 AM Response to Reply #84 |
87. Ah, the voice of the "factually challenged" bleats again. n/t |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 01:35 PM Response to Reply #87 |
104. That's why I tried to counter it. nt |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 02:03 AM Response to Original message |
85. Not even close, it was Clinton. n/t |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 02:26 AM Response to Original message |
90. Is this poll for real? Actually, neither of them did. This is a divide and conquer poll. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 10:08 AM Response to Reply #90 |
102. You are in denial. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 01:36 AM Response to Reply #102 |
120. Interesting to see if the "cool kids" ever reply. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 01:46 PM Response to Reply #90 |
105. Didn't you just write a very long post extolling the virtues of mandatory health insurance? n/t |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 07:51 AM Response to Original message |
93. Having 2 or 3 movements within the Democratic party is a problem. |
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Lost in CT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 08:03 AM Response to Original message |
94. Neither |
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natrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 08:23 AM Response to Reply #94 |
99. both |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
103. Clinton...because he held real power and |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
106. first you need to define "progressive causes" |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 11:45 PM Response to Reply #106 |
113. There's a conventional understanding of progressive... |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 06:07 PM Response to Original message |
108. Clinton beat Bush and Dole; Nader gave us W. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 12:59 AM Response to Reply #108 |
117. As usual, Dems refuse to take any responsibility for their failures |
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bobthedrummer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 01:08 AM Response to Reply #108 |
118. "Nader gave us W." |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 08:20 PM Response to Original message |
111. Nader is a scapegoat for the lazy and scared. |
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burythehatchet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
112. Karl Rove can only mastrubate when he thinks of Democrats who blame Nader. |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 12:25 AM Response to Original message |
114. What an absolutely stupid poll! |
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lostnotforgotten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 12:29 AM Response to Original message |
115. Bill Clinton Was The Best Republican President In Modern History |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 01:54 AM Response to Original message |
122. The egg came first! |
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Adenoid_Hynkel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 05:20 AM Response to Original message |
124. If Bill hadn't sold us down the river, Nader wouldn't have had a basis for running |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 08:30 AM Response to Original message |
125. Clinton. |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 08:38 AM Response to Original message |
126. Nader, if we hold him responsible for Bush/Cheney. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
128. As of noon on Feb. 23: Clinton 54% - Nader 46% |
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