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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 05:32 PM
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Bush Rated "Not The Worst President" is questioned by angry clown
According to a -SPAN survey of historians, our first Italian president (Abramo Linguini ..... sorry, that's an old, old joke that still cracks me up) was the best, scoring no lower than 3rd in all of the 10 rating categories.

Idiot Son was ranked 36 out of 42 total presidents, which puts him ahead of six other men, which includes the likes of Buchanan, Johnson, Pierce, Harrison, and Harding. I have not seen the survey, so can't see who is between Harding and Fuckface.

I can not believe he is not the worst.

I say we protest this. I say the voting was rigged. I say C-SPAN is C-SPINING it.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jiXHRtcLfWce8eYzFk2hXLLQUVqwD96C6GV01

Lincoln ranked best president by historians

By NATASHA T. METZLER – 3 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Just days after the nation honored the 200th anniversary of his birth, 65 historians ranked Abraham Lincoln as the nation's best president.

Former President George W. Bush, who left office last month, was ranked 36th out of the 42 men who had been chief executive by the end of 2008, according to a survey conducted by the cable channel C-SPAN.

Bush scored lowest in international relations, where he was ranked 41st, and in economic management, where he was ranked 40th. His highest ranking, 24th, was in the category of pursuing equal justice for all. He was ranked 25th in crisis leadership and vision and agenda setting.

In contrast, Lincoln was ranked in the top three in each of the 10 categories evaluated by participants.

In C-SPAN's only other ranking of presidents, in 2000, former President Bill Clinton jumped six spots from No. 21 to 15. Other recent presidents moved positions as well: Ronald Reagan advanced from No. 11 to 10, George H.W. Bush rose from No. 20 to 18 and Jimmy Carter fell from No. 22 to 25.

This movement illustrates that presidential reputations are influenced by present-day concerns, said survey adviser and participant Edna Medford.

"Today's concerns shape our views of the past, be it in the area of foreign policy, managing the economy or human rights," Medford said in a statement.

After Lincoln, the academics rated George Washington, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Theodore Roosevelt and Harry Truman as the best leaders overall. The same five received top spots in the 2000 survey, although Washington and Franklin D. Roosevelt swapped spots this year.

Rated worst overall were James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Franklin Pierce, William Henry Harrison and Warren G. Harding.

The survey was conducted in December and January. Participants ranked each president on a scale of one, "not effective" to 10, "very effective," on a list of 10 leadership qualities including relations with Congress, public persuasion and moral authority.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 05:35 PM
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1. Raygun #10? WTF??
Was this the Consortium of Crack Smoking Historians or something?
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 05:38 PM
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3. Conservatives have Bush to compare Raygun with, now. And, they are desperate for *someone* to
look up to.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 05:41 PM
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5. That explains conservatives but not historians.
I'd expect a tad more honesty and objectivity from them.
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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 05:36 PM
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2. Ronnie Raygun in the top 10? Daddybush up to 18? Carter dropping?
WTF? I can live peacefully with Dubya coexisting with the losers outlined above. But ....come on? Raygun #10????
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zagging Donating Member (531 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 05:41 PM
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4. You meant angry, stinky clown.
Didn't you?
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 05:44 PM
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6. You can buy anything these days.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 05:46 PM
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7. I too am disappointed that St. Ronnie ranked so high.
Looking closer at how things went during Reagan's presidency, he was a complete and utter dumbass operating from bad extreme-right ideology, who just happened to hide his bad behavior and bad results better with his movie smile.

I'm also disappointed that W didn't end up Worst Ever, but he's in good company with Buchanan, Harding, Johnson, Pierce and Harrison.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 06:12 PM
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13. I take issue with him being included with Harding and Harrison.
William Henry Harrison had a Presidential term of one month. Inaugurated March 4, 1841, died April 4, 1841. How do you judge that?

Harrison was an aristocrat and the only President to study medicine, as well as an accomplished war veteran...he wasn't totally unqualified to be President.

And Harding, well...the scandals that took place during his administration were largely not his doing. He had corrupt asshole friends that he brought into his administration that took advantage of their Cabinet posts. Between the successful arms limitation talks, the establishment of the Budget Bureau (which required a federal budget) and being the first President to speak up for civil rights for blacks since Grant, Harding himself had the makings of a good President.
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 06:33 PM
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15. Well, being dead and all . . .
Edited on Sun Feb-15-09 06:33 PM by MrModerate
Harrison was unusually ineffective as president.

Harding could'a been a contender, but his gang of thieves got caught big-time, unlike some other presidents', and then he dropped dead. Didn't have the required time to polish his legacy granted to other presidential failures that we might name.

I have every confidence that Bush will drop past Harding at some point, especially if Conyers gets his way.

St. Ronnie continues to float to the top because 1) He played a president on TV and 2) he was awake when the Soviet Union self-destructed between naps. I don't see his ranking surving much past the current generation of starry-eyed losers. I'm not sure Truman will stay near the top much longer either: he's due for a re-review any moment now.
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 05:47 PM
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8. "His highest ranking, 24th, was in the category of pursuing equal justice for all."
That tells me all I need to know to judge the credibility of these "historians".
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 05:47 PM
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9. What kind of historian puts Reagan before Carter?
Edited on Sun Feb-15-09 05:48 PM by DutchLiberal
"Ronald Reagan advanced from No. 11 to 10, George H.W. Bush rose from No. 20 to 18 and Jimmy Carter fell from No. 22 to 25."

:wtf:

No, forget the distance between Reagan and Carter. Just consider Reagan. He is rated among the top 10 best presidents? Really? Did all the other ones sucked even harder than Ronny?

Are all those historians on a steady diet of Fox and NewsMax?
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 05:52 PM
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11. here, have a valentine heart
you are right-on about that one
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 05:24 AM
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16. yep .... sure did
I have a good liberal friend in Enter.

Another one I dont understand is Anderew Jackson. Jackson was a slaver and was a primary motive in the genocidal attacks upon native Americans. For some reason, he is pretty high on the list.

odd bunch of historians I would say.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 05:48 PM
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10. worst ever. epic FAIL. by the numbers alone
there is no spinning the catastrophic damage chimpenfurher has done to the US.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 06:00 PM
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12. Andrew Johnson ranks far about shrub for several reasons
Number one, he defended the Constitution throughout his Presidency, being impeached because he stood up for his constitutional right to appoint and fire members of his cabinet--the SCOTUS vindicated his position after he was out of office. He felt so strongly about the Constitution that he was buried with a copy of it.

Number two, he was fearless in his support of the Federal government. He was the only Southern Senator that remained in Congress after the Southern states seceded. When he went home to explain his position, he was drug off the train by a lynch mob who only stopped because they were convinced that the citizens of Johnson's native Tennessee wanted to do the job.

Number three: he and his family really suffered for their country. Some of his family was under arrest during the Confederate occupation of Eastern Tennessee, and a son, I believe, was hurt badly or killed during the War.

Johnson did not take public office for personal enrichment or enrichment of his cronies. He fought against extremism and upheld the Constitution. He was a working man who fought for the rights of working people. Having read some of his speeches, I would say he was better educated than shrub. Of course, Johnson never attended school--but by picking up learning where he could, he really cherished his few educational opportunities.
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theoldman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 06:17 PM
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14. These rating are all a matter of opinion.
It all depends on the criteria for rating them. Jefferson was one of our best presidents but he is never given much credit. Carter is definitely not one of the worst.
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