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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 11:26 PM
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Guardian: Optimist sees potential good news from Iraq - Occupation may unite the people after all.
The platitude given by those who would keep the occupation force in Iraq for one minute longer is that "we broke it, so we have to fix it." The more accurate analogy would be: "We raped this country, and we have no business forcing ourselves on it anymore."

An Iraqi optimist, a former opponent to Saddam, writes in the Guardian today that the foreign invaders may yet fail in their real mission, which has all along been to destroy Iraq, and end up uniting the people after all - against them.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,2037969,00.html

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In Iraq, public anger is at last translating into unity

For four years, Britain and the US have aimed to encourage sectarianism, but ultimately they will fail to divide the country

Sami Ramadani
Tuesday March 20, 2007
The Guardian

(...)

Four years after declaring "mission accomplished", the US government is sending more combat troops to add to the bloodbath - all in an effort to impose its imperial will on the Iraqi people, and in the process plunging its own country into its deepest political-moral crisis since Vietnam. Under heavier pressures, Blair, the master of tactical subterfuge, is redeploying Britain's forces within Iraq and Afghanistan, under the guise of withdrawal. He has long known that British bases in Basra and the south were defenceless against attacks by the Sadr movement and others.

Bush, on the other hand, is escalating Iraq's conflict and threatening to launch a new war, this time against Iran. It is hard not to presume that what he means by an exit strategy is to install a client regime in Baghdad, backed by US bases. The Iraqi people will not accept this, and the west should be alerted to the fact that US policy objectives will only lead to wider regional conflicts, rather than to full withdrawal.

(...)

Meanwhile, the destruction of Iraq continues apace and its people are subjected to levels of sustained violence unknown in their history. Overwhelmingly, the violence is a direct or indirect product of the occupation, and the bulk of sectarian violence is widely known in Iraq to be linked to the parties favoured by Washington. For example, forces in control of the various ministries, including the interior ministry, clash regularly.

It is not difficult to see how this violence is linked to the occupation, for it has spawned a multitude of violence-makers: 150,000 occupation forces; 50,000 and rising contracted foreign "mercenaries"; 150,000 Iraqi Facilities Protection forces, paid by the Iraqi regime, controlled by the occupation and engaged in death-squad activities, according to the prime minister, Nuri al-Maliki; 400,000 US-trained army and police forces; six US-controlled secret Iraqi militias; and hundreds of private kidnap gangs. Pitted against some or all of these are tens of thousands of militias and resistance forces of various political hues. In total there are about 2 million actively organised armed men in the country. There are about 3,000 attacks on occupation forces every month, while tens of thousands of Iraqis languish in prison, where torture is widespread and trials considered an unnecessary formality.

(...)

Similarly, the proposed corporate occupation of Iraq, disguised as a legal document to tie the country to the oil companies for decades to come, has reminded the population of one of the main reasons for the US-led invasion. It has also reminded them what a self-respecting, sovereign Iraq looked like in 1961, when the government nationalised Iraq's lands for future oil production.

In an opinion poll released by the BBC yesterday, 86% of people are opposed to the division of Iraq. This and other polls also show majority support for armed resistance to the occupation. Four years into this terrible adventure, both the US and Britain must realise that it is time to pack up and leave.

· Sami Ramadani was a political exile from Saddam's regime and is a senior lecturer at London Metropolitan University.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 11:31 PM
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1. Progress? Who really gives a flying flip if the division of Iraq makes
the Iraqis safer and happier, or am I being naive? I have my doubts about these polls.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 11:35 PM
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3. The vast majroity of Iraqis are opposed to dividing Iraq up.
It's the bush Cartel that want to do that, not the people of Iraq.

PS; Hi babylonsister! :hi:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 11:39 PM
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5. I didn't know the Iraqis were against it; I figured they would all like
to live among their people peacefully since it seems there is such intolerance with combining the different religions/sects.
And hello there, LynnTheDem! I hope you are doing well! Spring has sprung where you are; I hope it's beautiful! :pals:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 11:34 PM
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2. United they stand, divided they fall?
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 11:36 PM
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4. I see why they call him an optimist. He's also wrong.
Iraq was divided long before the invasion. The center was ruled by one man, yes, but its people were divided. They are now divided far more, by the intent of terrorists, probably a lot more than by the intent of the occupying powers.

Oh, Iraq may remain territorially united, but that's simply because the various factions fighting over it intend to rule the whole thing once they pound the others into submission. With that goal in mind, why split the spoils up?
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 11:49 PM
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6. Yes, Iraq is being divided by terrorists...
We might differ about where these terrorists came from, however.
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 12:14 AM
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7. What arrogant ignorance.
Iraq was no more divided than the US. Your assumption that your claims have more validity than those of an Iraqi scholar show something about you, but nothing about reality. Why the hell do you think millions have been internally displaced and driven into exile? Because they wanted this, or because the crusaders destroyed their society and created death squads?
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 12:27 AM
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8. Aren't you forgetting someone besides "they" and "the crusaders"?
Most reputable experts see the driving force behind the insurgency as Sunni ex-Baathists, whose rivals for power, besides US forces, are Shiite militias and their political branches (Mahdi Army, Badr Brigade) and the Kurds' Persh Merga, which are in a different league given their numbers, training, equipment, and territorial interests in the North (which make them mere bit players outside of the North).

These divisions may be on the surface because Iraq was invaded and its society fractured but, the divisions that have boiled over, existed to a great extent previously; they were simply submerged under a tyrant's iron fist. (See: The Former Yugoslavia, post-Tito) There isn't likely to be any magical uniting against the US and a Happily Ever After in Iraq because the Iraqis themselves don't see eye to eye on who should rule the country and how, starting with very basic things like the supremacy of the Shiite sect and the implementation of Islamic edicts through the criminal code.
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 12:45 AM
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10. Nonsense.
Destroying whatever form of civil order and social infrastructure that exists always results in civil chaos which forms along whatever divisions that previously existed. Every nation has that kind of division. every one, including this one, and even every city. Turning these differences into blood was Chimpy and the PNACers doing, not the Iraqis'.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 12:57 AM
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12. AMEN! nt
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 12:36 AM
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9. Iraq was no more divided than the US.
Well if you mean the US Civil War, then your right.

As much as American politics are divided today, we don't go around blowing ourselves up over it.
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 12:52 AM
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11. Uhh, you did mention the Civil War
as evidence "we don't go around blowing ourselves up over" differences. Not sure how that proves your point.

Try the scenario where some foreign invader destroys the established power and puts disenfranchised blacks, foreigners and immigrants into control of a puppet government and trains death squads. What do you think would happen next? What would YOU do?
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 12:40 PM
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13. Oh no, "we" don't blow up ourselves...
We go and blow up and murder a few hundred thousand people in a country that poses no threat, 10,000 miles away. We starve them, destroy their economy, destroy and piss on their culture. We recruit some of them to murder some of the others. We imprison and torture thousands, and to this day we're still dropping bombs from the air. Then you come along and say, "oh, look! The natural divisions of the Iraqi animals are asserting themselves - they're blowing each other up. We'd never do that!"
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