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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 05:58 PM
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PETA protesters don KKK robes and hoods to raise consciousness about AKC species supremacy
Once again, PETA demonstrates its exquisite taste in protest imagery.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/29104505



“Obviously it’s an uncomfortable comparison,” PETA spokesman Michael McGraw said.

But the AKC is trying to create a “master race,” he added. “It’s a very apt comparison.”

...

Most passers-by seemed more puzzled than offended, though those who didn’t stop walked away thinking they really had seen the KKK. The most common reaction was to pull out a cell phone and start snapping photos.

Police monitored the situation from nearby, but the scene was mostly calm. One shouting match broke out during the hour-long protest.

Earlier, a man strode away yelling, “That’s disgusting! I’m going to buy more fur!”

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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:01 PM
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1. I swear PETA is made up of agent provocateurs for the fur and meat industries
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:16 PM
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17. You are far from alone in that sentiment. n/t
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:52 PM
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38. I always wonder about them and the anti-smoking ad campaigns
Going out of their way to annoy people.......I don't smoke, but I almost want to just to say "fuck them".
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:56 PM
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40. self deleted
Edited on Tue Feb-10-09 06:56 PM by seabeyond
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 08:12 AM
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100. Every single time I see an anti-smoking commercial I want to light up
If I could get my hands on the people behind those commercials it would not be pretty.

ts hard enough dealing with the cravings without some douchebag on tv reminding you about it.

Those commercials totally backfire, just like these Peta stunts.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 10:48 PM
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43. And don't forget the Dairy industry
Don't forget, kids, "Milk is murder".....
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 10:53 PM
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When one of my kids got into the lactose intolerant marketing gig, I asked:
Since when? :rofl:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 11:55 PM
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56. Hah! It's almost the only thing that makes sense.
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 09:24 AM
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105. No kidding
This story is ridiculous!
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:03 PM
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2. ...
:rofl:
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:05 PM
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3. Some of their aims ARE noble.
Edited on Tue Feb-10-09 06:05 PM by Tandalayo_Scheisskop
But I swear, they go out of their way to make themselves look like the biggest and most densely concentrated collection of jerkoffs on the planet.

"Master Race" indeed. For. Fuck's. Sake.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:08 PM
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7. For every one person that might support them - how many are they pushing away?
That's what it comes down to. They need to get a bit more practical. This is not only offensive - it's disgusting.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:13 PM
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10. Pushing people away is part of their holier-than-thou martyr schtick
They're caught up in their own cult of personality at this point.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 11:44 PM
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53. exactly, it's not about the actual Cause. The Cause is simply their vehicle to demonstrate
how noble, well-informed or evolved they are.

There are several DU'ers I can think of very much like that.

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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:14 PM
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11. It's also hella stupid?
Master race? Wha? Who? Sure, there are unethical breeders out there, the ones who breed too close and propagate recessive genes. But to hear this bilge, it is wide-spread and the AKC show is part of it. Good lord, the futile stupidity of it all.

Man, we don't need drugs to give us hardons or cure premature ejaculation, we need drugs to enhance logic and common sense.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 06:44 PM
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126. Exactly - why not draw attention to the dog show by promoting an "adopt a mutt" drive?
Oh, wait, that might actually a) do some real good for real-life animals and b) garner positive attention.

Can't have that :eyes:
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:15 PM
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14. Given the hundreds of thousands of dogs who are dumped and killed each year because they
Edited on Tue Feb-10-09 06:16 PM by robinlynne
are not purebreds, I think PETA is right. As a matter of fact the whole purebred animal thing stinks. Nothing wrong with the animals themselves, but watching a bit of the dog show 2 weeks ago I was struck by the examining the size of the ears to see if the dog is "good enough" and my first thought was disgusting.

So I don't think it is PETA who is disgusting.
I think the concept of the prefect breed is disgusting. My bernese mix lived to be 16 ONLY because he was a mutt. The "real" Bernese only live to 10 or 12 because of their perfect breeding, which is not so good for the animal.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:15 PM
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15. Which one is you?
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:18 PM
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18. I'm just me. on the other side of the country. Really thankful someone is
out there to protect animals!
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Archae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:26 PM
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24. No, they are a bunch of wack jobs.
To defend them ignores their stupidity.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:31 PM
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29. That would be your opinion.
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Archae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 10:45 PM
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42. Fact.
If PETA had their way, NOTHING animal could be had by us humans.

No pets.
No meat whatsoever.
Nothing at all that comes from animals, INCLUDING dairy products.

Not only that, whenever a member of that domestic terrorist group "Animal Liberation Front" is caught for their violence, vandlaism, etc, who pays for their legal bills?

PETA.

They are simply nuts.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 10:59 PM
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47. What a moronic post.
First, it IS opinion. Look it up.

I'd like to see you prove your little shit blurb about how any alleged member of this "ALF" is caught, PETA pays their bills. I'll wait patiently for you to apologize for your ignorance.

Jesus Christ. Where does this shit come from?

Idiots.
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Archae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 11:07 PM
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49. Right here.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 11:13 PM
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51. W/out even clicking the link. ActivistCash is run by the CCF.
The Center for Consumer Freedom. Look it up before posting something stupid.

Secondly, you said that every ALF activist, when caught, had their bills paid by PETA.

Fucking prove it, or shut the fuck up.

After you're done shutting the fuck up, consider that PETA and most of its leadership has been investigated quite thoroughly by everyone from the FBI to the IRS. They got nothing. I doubt your bullshit Googling will provide better than what they found.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 01:41 AM
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86. Fact: Without the far left the center would be further to the right. Sometimes people need to be
shocked to wake up and become aware. Sometimes speaking in subtle ways just does not work to bring about change. I think the change in awareness in the fur industry is a great thing, don't you? And isn't it a good thing that we now have labels on our chemical products saying that they have not been squirted into rabbits eyes. That awareness only comes from actions that got into the news.. (which is the point of what you find outrageous) Our culture has changed it's views because of all the attention brought about by whom......
As for animal liberation front, never heard of it.

Do they take animals away from testing laboratories?
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 01:59 AM
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90. Is that even English?
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:31 PM
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30. there are other org that protect animals without using sexism and racism to send their
message. so ya.... maybe it is just you
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:44 PM
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34. me and millions more.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:44 PM
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35. what is the sexism? naked women in the anti-fur campaigns?
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:48 PM
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36. naked women fuckin veggies, and no.... not millions. not even close and they
Edited on Tue Feb-10-09 06:48 PM by seabeyond
just continually lose more and more support. people that are not willing to sell out one cause for another.

intergity
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 01:47 AM
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89. youa re uts. racism/ sexism? I think the naked fur ads were great and I am of the female sex.
It isn't sexist at all. It says this is beauty. No need to kill for beauty! Beauty can also be humane. What's your problem?
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 07:32 AM
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94. good of you to skip what i actually answered with
Edited on Wed Feb-11-09 08:05 AM by seabeyond
and reply, argue to this post. this is one of petas strategies isn't it, lacking integrity? you also think this is great. so you obviously are willing to throw others under bus for your cause. i dont. using racism and sexism is not ok

they wanted people pissed. people are pissed. they got what they want. why are you here defending when you org reaches their intent
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 11:55 AM
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116. becuase I do not agree that they use sexism or racism or throw people under the bus.
Those are all your opinions, not facts. And I haven't seen anything from any of you that supports these claims.
who is thrown under the bus?
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 12:06 PM
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117. if one wants to coddle their agenda to fit their need
it is just opinion.

kinda like what repugs do with fact.

fact.... no no just your opinion

fact.... they used near naked women to fuck veggies for agenda, to be seen and heard not for pure intent since they knew the audience they played to..... macho males objectifying female was gonna continue eating their steak and potato

fact

you ask me if naked women per fur campaign, .... i say veggie commercial. you ignore, insult and lecture me knowingly in deception.

fact

using kkk robes for agenda
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 01:12 PM
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118. what veggie commercial? It is not racist to use kkk robes to wake people up to
how weird it is the try to create "perfect species". Actually it is anti-racism. Yet it bothers you so deeply.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 02:00 PM
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121. they are using.... USING, racism and sexism to get attention. the sole purpose of robe
Edited on Wed Feb-11-09 02:35 PM by seabeyond
is to offend.

and they offended

they have no problem or issue with offending others and take a perverse glee in just that. at least they are honest enough to own what they do as you excuse, ignore, explain, apologize it away

at least with the greedy, with no social conscience using these tools there is no expectation. but for an org that is altruistic and supposedly of compassion, sympathy, empathy to adopt this manner at other groups expense, for their own movement forward is a huge universal throw up.

they are rapidly losing support

amarillo texas, yesterday, they had two women in underwear sittin on a bed on the corner of a downtown street. amarillo texas does not support peta and in fact has a real issue with peta. they did this to outrage, bother, make angry and they used naked women to do it. the only thing they accomplished was having a bunch of macho males denigrate, and make vile nasty comments in their disdain for the org at womens expense.

my issues are racism, sexism, homophobia and children in this society and where i place my focus, but never would i not support animal rights as a whole but certainly not to further my goals for my issues.

it is contemptible.

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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 06:39 PM
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125. well it obviously offends you. not me.
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 10:53 PM
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44. You are correct
There are so many health problems with purebreds. Mutts are better all around.

PETA as usual is drawing attention to an important issue...not sure I agree with this tactic, but it does make people think about it.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 01:43 AM
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87. which is probably the point of their tactics. if they don't get into the newspaper, noone would
ever have the discussion to begin with.
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AndrewP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 10:57 PM
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46. I agree with you on that. I like that they are into "shock" kind of statements. Good for them.
Edited on Tue Feb-10-09 10:58 PM by AndrewP
Yeah, I don't like some of it. But they know how to get publicity and the word out there.

Plus, with some of their undercover exposes, they make organizations and corporations more willing to work with "moderate" groups like the Humane Society of the US to get them off of their back.

They put out a lot of uncomfortable facts. Some people are offended easily. Fuck them. They can always walk the other way or turn of the TV if they don't like them.


I do also enjoy how this forum becomes Rush Limbaugh Lite every time PETA comes up. "Underground" my ass.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 01:45 AM
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88. Thanks! thought I was the only one. I'm really proud of the changes away from
wearing fur and animal testing. I mean really, squirting chemicals into rabbits' eyes? What we do to animals is grotesque. Peta is responsible for those two major cultural shifts.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 02:56 AM
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91. AMEN
We had our newest family member genetically tested.

She's 1/4 Italian Greyhound... and 3/4 mutt. :D

She looks like a 25 lb. German shepherd/border collie mix, but she's apparently got some chow, golden retriever, terrier, beagle, and poodle in her.

And yes, we love her VERY MUCH. :D
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 08:14 AM
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101. It's not their intentions that are fucked up- it's the way they go about things
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 09:43 AM
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109. agreed. nt
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:05 PM
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4. Gee, I wonder if the folks who routinely defend PETA's sexism will defend this.
Wonder if they're going to come in and tell us to "lighten up" or tell us how wearing Klan robes "is an effective message".

Waiting.....
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:06 PM
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5. I wonder if they're in the picture.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:08 PM
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6. How about the ones who defend comparing Jews in the Holocaust to chickens at KFC?
Another winner of an ad campaign, that one.

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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:25 PM
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22. i would like to see their ass in here too, telling me how non offensive it is and just clever
campaigning for their cause. after all racism is so little compared to what they are standing up too.
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 08:20 AM
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102. The Klan robes are a metaphor
They aren't saying that the Klan is good. They are saying the dog breeders are similar to the master race people. Did that fly over your head?
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 09:45 AM
Response to Reply #102
110. They look exactly the same as KKK members.
So their message might not be heard, while some people fear for their safety.

They can compare dog breeding to the KKK without having a Klan parade in the middle of the city.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:12 PM
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8. Stupid fucks.
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vanderBeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:13 PM
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9. For fuck's sake
I'm going to eat more meat.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:14 PM
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12. these stupid fuckers need a beat down..
a big time beat down
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:15 PM
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13. I love my lab


Idiots
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 12:24 AM
Response to Reply #13
73. I love your Lab, too!
Please give him a treat and an extra cuddle for me! :loveya:
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 02:04 PM
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122. I love my beagle, but the AKC would consider her imperfect at best.
Crooked teeth, too tall, and, of course, spayed. In fact, by AKC standards, she's not a beagle at all. Don't let the markings, strong scenting skills, bay, and personality fool ya. She's just a 17 inch tall mutt. Happily, I'm fond of 17 inch tall mutts.

The AKC, not so much.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:16 PM
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16. I want to know who they bought the clan robes from. nt
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:22 PM
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19. This makes me want to go out and eat some land fish.
Edited on Tue Feb-10-09 06:23 PM by Ian David

Land Fish: It's what's for dinner.
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tosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:39 PM
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31. Yikes!! I've never seen that pic. I sure hope someone rescued that kitty in time!
Edited on Tue Feb-10-09 06:40 PM by tosh
<edited for bad keyboard>
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:52 PM
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39. LOL
:spray:
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:23 PM
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20. I understand their stalwartness but is there ever anyone who says
"Hold it, let's take another minute on this" ever????
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Stevenmarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:24 PM
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21. Look on the bright side, Mom gets to vacuum under the couch while they're out
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:26 PM
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23. oh boy oh boy oh boy
:popcorn:
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:28 PM
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25. I'm shocked no one beat the shit out of these idiots
Edited on Tue Feb-10-09 06:31 PM by NeedleCast
I'm curious how many of their Africa-American supporters are demanding a refund right now..
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Tabasco_Dave Donating Member (744 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 11:37 PM
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52. I don't think they have many African-American Supporters
All the PETA members i've met, have been rich white collage students or rich white yuppies.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 12:01 AM
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59. That's eminently believable - part of the entire bourgeois vegetarianism movement.
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 06:46 PM
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127. Well, it is on the list
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 06:54 PM
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129. Let me guess, you've never heard of Buddhism?
Or Jainism? Or one of the many other religions which have advocated and/or praised vegetarianism over the past several thousand years?

:eyes:

But all vegetarians are just stuck-up white college kids, of course. Of course!
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:28 PM
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26. These guys are a fucking deadly combination of idiotic and insane.
Their antics are revolting to me.

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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:29 PM
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27. They have one goal and that's to get on the news.
The more insane the protest, the more likely they'll be noticed and make the news.

Making the news fires up their core base of supporters.

Each time the core base is fired up, they donate more money.

Repeat the cycle.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:30 PM
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28. That's it! I now hate PETA. What a bunch of idiots.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:40 PM
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32. Idiots
not much more can be said.
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:42 PM
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33. One of the reasons I support the SPCA and not PETA.
SPCA = sane.

PETA = a little too far "out there".


Interesting they did this stunt in a safe area, right out front of Madison Square Garden, where police could step in if needed. Yeah, I know, that's where the Dog Show was and all.

I'd love for PETA to pull this KKK stunt in a place like, say, oh, Harlem, Detroit, or South Central L.A.

Good luck getting out alive!
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:50 PM
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37. typical.

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Fla_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 07:23 PM
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41. I don't know what's more disturbing
that they put on the robes, or that they had them in the first place. :wtf:
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 10:56 PM
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45. Kick. n/t
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 11:05 PM
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48. ...and once again, the MSM and (heh) DU gobbles it up.
Is it the best way to convey a message? Is it offensive? I can see how folks would see that. BUT, it is an apt comparison, and if some guy was standing outside in normal dress handing leaflets out, it wouldn't make the news, and wouldn't remotely get any message out.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 11:53 PM
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54. The Westminster dog show is taking place currently, and
the timing is obvious, but PETA's protest of this is horrible. "Pure breed" dog shows bother me only for one reason: The working dogs are often bred for show, and in this case they lose their quality of loving and working with humans.

I love working dogs, and I have to admit that I love adopting them as companions because they are smart. When I adopted Daisy (a mix) from a kennel, it was because I assumed she would be smart because of her working dog heritage. Huck--a purebred, but certainly not a show dog--attracted me in the same way. His breed was a working dog for hundreds of years. Working dogs have an innate bond with humans.

To imply that dog breeders of weims, goldens, or any other breeds are "master race" breeders is ridiculous. Those that breed dogs only for profit and looks *are* awful breeders, but PETA has made a big mistake in its assumptions.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 12:02 AM
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61. It's about the AKC, not individual breeders.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 12:18 AM
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68. The AKC is not an enemy when it comes to dog lovers. n/t
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 12:26 AM
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74. You mean their anti-spay/neuter legislation message?
Sorry, I don't like killing 5 million animals a year in shelters. So yeah, they are an enemy when it comes to dog lovers.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 09:20 AM
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104. The AKC is the enemy
The more I learn about the AKC, the more I find that it truly is the enemy, and I have two purebred (non-AKC dogs).
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 01:56 PM
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120. I just adopted what I didn't know at the time was a purebred from our local SPCA.
Her and her sister were dumped on them because they weren't "good enough" Wheaten Terriers.

She's adorable, beautiful, smart, and so loving--nut she wasn't "good enough" for the uckingfay AKC.

I hate PETA (mostly because of the cerifiable Ingrid Newkirk) but I think I'm beginning to loathe the AKC just as much. Another stupid PETA protest--yet the target is so richly deserving of a smart, well-planned protest.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 08:15 PM
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130. I agree with a lot of Petas ideas, but not their tactics
This protest was stupid, but the AKC is horrible. They knowingly register puppy mill dogs (that's where they make most of their money) and absolutely destroy breeds in the name of looks.

"Dog Wars" is a good book about the AKC. It mostly centers on Border Collies, but it touches on other breeds. The AKC hasn't even recognized Border Collies for 20 years, and the AKC Border Collie is already pretty much an entirely different breed than the working Border Collie.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 03:10 AM
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92. It's not just about the working dogs
ALL the dogs are judged on appearance and NOT function or personality.

The toy group, the herding group, the terrier group, the working group, the hound group, the sporting group... ALL the dogs are judged on looks alone.

Saying that some dogs are "pure" and other dogs are not "pure" leads to inbreeding. Inbreeding leads to passing on flaws generation after generation.

I think ultimately the fixation on "purebred" dogs leads to genetic weakness and miserable dogs.

And there IS a connection between the human eugenics movement and the "purebred" dog movement.

The other day I saw a show about the shih tzu. At one time there were only 14 shih tzus in the world, and all existing shih tzus are descended from those same 14 dogs. If that was any other species, the species would be considered critically endangered. But for dogs that's okay?

Think about it.

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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 09:48 AM
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111. I probably wasn't clear.
I agree with you about breeding dogs for dog shows and about what has happened to many of them as a result.
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 09:58 AM
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114. My Chocolate Lab is the biggest kid in the world
She was bought from a respectable AKC breeder, not to be a sport or work dog, but to be a family pet. The lady breeds these dogs when she has enough people that are going to buy them and then donates everything to local shelters and rescues.

I'm sorry but PETA needs to go after Puppy Mills and other criminal breeders, rather than going after people looking for a specific breeds to fit their circumstances. And before anyone goes off on me, we also own a rescue Jack Russell Terrier who had been beaten within an inch of his life by his previous owners.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 08:47 PM
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135. The whole point is labs should be bred for hunting
Edited on Wed Feb-11-09 08:49 PM by HarukaTheTrophyWife
Otherwise, it diminishes the breed. Breeding just to be a family pet isn't a good reason to breed a dog. Dogs should be bred for their purpose.

There are breeds of dogs bred specifically to be companions, but Labs aren't one of them. If a Lab can't prove itself in the field, it should NEVER be bred. Just like if German Shepherds can't prove themselves in herding or protection work, they should NEVER be bred.

I'm not against owning dogs as family pets, but that's a piss poor reason to breed them. There's millions of dogs dying out there that would make great family pets.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 11:56 PM
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57. (facepalm)
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 12:03 AM
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62. It's a good look for you.
Keep it up.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 12:00 AM
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58. Was anyone persuaded by it?
I doubt it. You may scoff at the idea of people "standing outside in normal clothes handing out leaflets" but that probably does a lot more to change hearts and minds than the idiotic stunts PETA pulls.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 12:04 AM
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63. I have no data to give you.
BUT, the message that "But the AKC is trying to create a “master race,” he added. “It’s a very apt comparison.” is out there, and it is an apt comparison. One that would have gotten no press without the controversy.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 12:09 AM
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64. Rod Blagojevich got a lot of press.
Did he persuade many people to take up his cause? Doubt it.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 12:11 AM
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65. So PETA is Blago now?
Someone call Code Pink and tell them they're doing it wrong.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 12:15 AM
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67. Nah. Blago's way less offensive.
Plus, he actually did accomplish some things as Governor.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 12:18 AM
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69. You should do some research.
PETA has accomplished quite a bit, regardless of your obvious prejudice. Funny thing about prejudice, it makes you look really stupid when you cast it against fact.

Have a nice evening.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 12:19 AM
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71. Oh dear. Somebody's a bit miffed. So sorry.
PETA still sucks, though.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 12:27 AM
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75. And THAT, is all you have.
Fucking laughable. Can't even back up your own point.

Waste of time.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 12:33 AM
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79. Oh my! You're getting quite testy now.
Doesn't take much to piss you off, eh? But apparently everyone else should take protestors in Klan garb in stride. :eyes:
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 12:36 AM
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80. No. I'm having a good laugh.
Your expense. Thanks!
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 12:43 AM
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81. No you're not. You're pissed.
BTW, PETA is teh suck.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 12:45 AM
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82. No, seriously.
I'm laughing at you. What's really funny is that YOU are pissed, and it's cracking me the hell up. The very fact that all you have, seriously, all you have is your "PETA is teh suck" to make discussion with.

I'm rolling here! Laughter is good for the soul, so again, thank you.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 12:48 AM
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83. Right.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 12:56 AM
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84. Wait...
you left off how much PETA sucks in your response. Your exclamation point. Your buoy to cling to in open water.

Jesus, we sacrifice consistency sometimes.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 12:58 AM
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85. Hey, I'm going to let ya go now.
:hi:
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stuntcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 07:52 AM
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96. .
with thousands of animals in line to be put to sleep right now in shelters.. that's one good thing to get Extreme about.. get downright offensive.
But Humans are so proud, it's funny!
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 09:54 AM
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112. It's "an apt comparison" if blacks are analogous to dogs.
I despise your cause.

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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 11:11 PM
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50. FAIL
Edited on Tue Feb-10-09 11:11 PM by Bobbie Jo
Where is the guy who thought THIS was a good idea? :dunce:
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 11:54 PM
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55. lolz
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 12:01 AM
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60. They are fucking out of their minds.
Edited on Wed Feb-11-09 12:07 AM by philosophie_en_rose
They could make the point without making people think there are KKK thugs roaming the neighborhood and scaring the shit out of people. If I saw some fool walking down the street in KKK robes, I certainly wouldn't stop to see the message. This stunt drips with white privilege and racism.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 12:12 AM
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66. They are amazingly tonedeaf
"People are giving us attention! It must be working!"
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 12:19 AM
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70. How low will they go?
Edited on Wed Feb-11-09 12:24 AM by philosophie_en_rose
Are they going to reenact rape scenes in front of a Rape Crisis center to protest milk? Dress as Nazis in front of a synagogue?

I agree that puppy mills and purebred dog industries are vile, but PETA's actions are hypocritical and disgusting.

I get that they're trying to be shocking, but when I see KKK robes, I see a threat. It must be nice to be able to think of it as dress up, instead of the violent racist threat it is.

NEWSFLASH: The image they're associating with the KKK is PETA, not the AKC.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 12:21 AM
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72. None of the scenarios you suggest I would put past them. eom
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FedUpWithIt All Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 08:07 AM
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97. "NEWSFLASH: The image they're associating with the KKK is PETA, not the AKC."
In a nutshell.

:hi:

And all the visibility is only going to further compound this association. Something tells me that PETA members simply don't care because the "message" is usually more about PETA itself than it is about the supposed cause.



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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 09:41 AM
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108. Thanks.
All I see is PETA fools in KKK outfits. If they want to take the imagery and use it, add something to associate the AKC or dog breeding to the KKK. As it is, they're just white people in hoods, helping the KKK to inspire fear.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 12:28 AM
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76. Dangerous work I hope they have health insurance.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 12:32 AM
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77. PETA always actively works against their stated goal

They're pathetic.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 12:32 AM
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78. peta came to amarillo texas today. put a couple girls in underwear on a bed on the corner
Edited on Wed Feb-11-09 12:48 AM by seabeyond
of 6th and taylor.

NO ONE is a peta supporter in this area. they despise peta. the only thing peta accomplished having these girls sittin on the bed near nude was get some crude, nasty remarks from the macho males at womens expense.

big fuckin thumbs up for women, peta......

they suck
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FedUpWithIt All Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 08:09 AM
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98. ?
Not even able to imagine what the possible point is to something like that.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 08:21 AM
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103. just being stupid willing to use women to be seen. but certainly not heard. n/t
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dustbunnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 03:42 AM
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93. Not flaming, but don't get it. Why not do Nazi schtick if it's about master race issues.
They were the ones messing with breeding, etc. The KKK were brainless, hateful retards who murdered black people when they could get away with it, and wanted jews dead too if they could find one. Weird. It's a bad comparison.

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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 07:43 AM
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95. I will give PETA one thing...
...they're good at grabbing headlines.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 08:09 AM
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99. They are lucky they didn't get their asses kicked
Edited on Wed Feb-11-09 08:10 AM by Marrah_G
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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 09:30 AM
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106. "That’s disgusting! I’m going to buy more fur"
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 09:32 AM
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107. I was gonna make pasta for dinner tonight, but now I'm gonna have steak.
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 09:55 AM
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113. They just really go too far sometimes.
I'm sure their intentions are noble, but they take it to such an extreme that people don't take them seriously. This is just the latest example. KKK hoods? Come on!
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AyanEva Donating Member (428 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 11:17 AM
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115. I brought my lunch today
But I think I'm going to order a burger instead and save my lunch for dinner. OM NOM NOM NOM
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 03:15 PM
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123. Yeah.. Animals should suffer because some humans pissed you off.
This kind of thinking is why PETA exists.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 03:54 PM
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124. you can draw a parallel with that and peta. fuck others using offensive means
to get their agenda thru.
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 01:21 PM
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119. the plus side is they inadvertently increase donations to ASPCA
since people still have a desire to help the cause, but not through crackpots who get no results. PETA is so unfocused and disorganized they make the Sea Shepherds look like a bureaucracy. and I support the Sea Shepherds.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 06:50 PM
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128. I didn't know there was such a thing as an Aryan spaniel
aren't they trying to create 150 or so "master races"? :eyes:
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 08:25 PM
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131. so cute, rebelling against their mommies and daddies...
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 08:26 PM
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132. *facepalm*
Seriously. What the fuck? All they're doing is pissing people off. This is "protesting" on the level of the Phelps crowd.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 08:35 PM
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133. "protesting" on the level of the Phelps crowd.... that is what i was thinking. n/t
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 08:38 PM
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134. PETA, aren't they the ones who killed most of the animals they rescued?
Or was that some other crazy "pro animal" group?
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