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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 12:35 AM
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NYT on the despair and foreclosures in Florida. Boomtown to Bust.
Edited on Mon Feb-09-09 12:39 AM by madfloridian
I don't think our legislature is even admitting how bad things are here. I don't think they will deal with it even if they do begin to grasp the tragedy they, the Republicans in charge of Florida have created. They have only one solution...tax cuts. They refuse to consider fixing the tax base. They refuse to consider the possibility of casinos which would offend the religious right.

They are all in denial.

State Farm is threatening to stop insuring homes here. We have been with them for 40 years at least. Doesn't matter, though. We live in an old home in a historic neighborhood bordering 3 other historic neighborhoods with homes that were built in the early to mid 1900s. They are well-kept homes mostly, modernized...solid. Much more solid than some of the newer homes. But we hear rumors that some insurance companies won't cover older homes. Just because they don't have to do so.

Charlie Crist is having public temper tantrums with State Farm, saying they should just leave that we don't need them anyway. I know how he feels, but over a million of us will pay for those tantrums of Charlie's. What do they expect owners of older homes to do...just leave the state?

It's a bad time here. It's bad all around the country. I write about Florida because it is what I know about.

In Florida, Despair and Foreclosures

LEHIGH ACRES, Fla. — Desperation has moved into this once-middle-class exurb of Fort Myers, where hammers used to pound. Its straight-ahead stare was hidden amid the chatter of 221 families waiting for free bread at Faith Lutheran Church on a recent Friday morning; and it appeared a block away a few days earlier, as laid-off construction workers in flannel shirts scavenged through trash bags at a home foreclosure, grabbing wires, CDs, anything that could be sold.

“I knew it was coming,” said Gloria Chilson, 56, the former owner of the house, as she watched strangers pick through her belongings. “You take what you can; you try not to care.”

Welcome to the American dream in high reverse. Lehigh Acres is one of countless sprawling exurbs that the housing boom drastically reshaped, and now the bust is testing whether the experience of shared struggle will pull people together or tear them apart.



Chip Litherland for The New York Times
Gloria Chilson in the yard of the house where she lived for 18 years. She and her husband recently lost the home to foreclosure. More Photos


The changes in these mostly unincorporated areas outside cities like Charlotte, N.C., Las Vegas and Sacramento have been swift and vivid. Their best economic times have been immediately followed by their worst, as they have generally been the last to crest and the first to crash.

In Lehigh Acres, homes are selling at 80 percent off their peak prices. Only two years after there were more jobs than people to work them, fast-food restaurants are laying people off or closing. Crime is up, school enrollment is down, and one in four residents received food stamps in December, nearly a fourfold increase since 2006.



Megan Brown, after she picked up free bread and pastries at the church, with her daughters Kayley, 2, left, and Sydney, 4, said she feared the worst. Her husband still had his job, she said, "but things are getting more and more tight."
Photo: Chip Litherland for The New York Times


It's heartbreaking.

One newbie Florida legislator had a good idea...but she was promptly hushed up.

From an article in The Ledger:

Legislator Has Brief Epiphany

It appeared the other day - for just a short time at least - that a freshman Florida legislator from Polk County was about to make a difference and had developed a grasp of the state's financial quandary.

'Stargel: Tax Hikes May Be Needed,' read the headline on Sunday's front page of The Reporter, a publication of The Ledger that serves the Four Corners area where Polk, Orange, Lake and Osceola counties touch. The reference was to Rep. Kelli Stargel, R-Lakeland, who is about to attend her first regular legislative session next month.

Alas, Stargel's apparent epiphany didn't last very long. 'But I'm still of the mind,' she added a moment later, 'that there's plenty of fat in government to cut.'


Oh, Kelli, you nearly redeemed yourself at least for a moment for your anti-choice, anti-gay views....then you had to talk about all the fat in the government when it is stripped to bare bones.

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Idealism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 12:39 AM
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1. I have such a hatred for State Farm
They whine about not getting that last rate increase passed, now are threatening to leave... I have had it with them.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 11:01 AM
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7. I have much anger toward State Farm, the Florida legislature, and Crist
Hard to tell which one I am the angriest with.
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 04:53 PM
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10. Allstate dropped me after 35 years and no claims.



They dropped me about a year and a half ago. They 'recommended' that I go to Royal Palm Ins, I'm sure some money changed hands between the two companies. The increase was about $250 on a year's policy. I renewed the Royal Palm policy this past November. The premium increased by 10%. I'm well inland on high ground in Polk County, no danger of flooding. Thanks Jeb. You son of a Boosh.


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Idealism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 08:35 PM
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13. I am 15 ft above sea level
If my house is getting flooded, Palm Beach county is completely underwater, yet they dropped us too. I was with them before SF.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 12:45 AM
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2. State Farm pulled out of Florida homeowners market last week didn't they?
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 04:35 PM
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9. Not quite yet. They need regulatory approval.
I gave them a check for $2,100 last week. $1150 goes for 6 months homeowners, and the rest for 12 months flood insurance.

If they cancel me, they're also going to lose 2 cars and a motorcycle. I could have gotten cheaper rates on them, but was afraid that if I switched, they'd cancel the homeowners, and I'd be stuck with Citizens, which is about 50-70% higher.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 12:46 AM
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3. I've already told my SF agent I would take my auto business elsewhere if they dumped me from renter
and I also said I was going to take it up with my state Rep (I know three of them and a state Senator too and will push them for a law requiring any company selling auto to sell home and renters.)

Doug D.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 12:54 AM
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4. So companies that sell auto but don't sell home and renters would have to add those lines to be able
to sell auto in Florida?
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 01:06 AM
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5. As far as I am concerned yes...nt
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 01:43 AM
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6. Agree. We will not keep auto with them if they pull out on housing.
It's infuriating.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 01:40 PM
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8. Most think Obama's visit to the Ft. Myers area will help.
http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artikkel?Dato=20090208&Kategori=OBAMA&Lopenr=902080412&Ref=AR

.."When President Obama comes to Fort Myers Tuesday for a town hall meeting, 10 percent unemployment and one of the highest foreclosure rates in the nation will be spotlighted once more on nightly newscasts and in the nation's largest newspapers.

After all, Obama's press secretary, Robert Gibbs, said Friday the president is coming to Fort Myers because the area's unemployment rate has jumped from 6 percent to 10 percent.

Local business leaders, however, aren't necessarily looking at that fact as a negative.

In fact, they are turning it into a selling tactic, none more than Jim Moore, executive director of Lee County's economic development office and the man charged with bringing new companies to the area.

Moore will have a seat with Obama on Tuesday when they tour Lehigh Acres, the subject of a recent New Yorker article that described the community as an example of "the slums of the future."
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 05:53 PM
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11. Stay put...PRODUCE THE NOTE... Follow the law.

Don't move. They can't produce the note.

Videos at link..

Using the “produce the note” strategy is something all homeowners facing foreclosure can do. If you believe you’ve been treated unfairly, fight back. We have created templates for a legal request, a letter to your lender and a motion to compel to help you through the process.

WHO OWNS THE NOTE?

Your goal is to make certain the institution suing you is, in fact, the owner of the note (see steps to follow below). There is only one original note for your mortgage that has your signature on it. This is the document that proves you owe the debt.

During the lending boom, most mortgages were flipped and sold to another lender or servicer or sliced up and sold to investors as securitized packages on Wall Street. In the rush to turn these over as fast as possible to make the most money, many of the new lenders did not get the proper paperwork to show they own the note and mortgage. This is the key to the produce the note strategy. Now, many lenders are moving to foreclose on homeowners, resulting in part from problems they created, and don’t have the proper paperwork to prove they have a right to foreclose.

THE HARM

If you don’t challenge your lender, the court will simply allow the foreclosure to proceed. It’s important to hold lenders accountable for their carelessness. This is the biggest asset in your life. It’s just a piece of paper to them, and one they likely either lost or destroyed.

When you get a copy of the foreclosure suit, many lenders now automatically include a count to re-establish the note. It often reads like this: “…the Mortgage note has either been lost or destroyed and the Plaintiff is unable to state the manner in which this occurred.” In other words, they are admitting they don’t have the note that proves they have a right to foreclose.

If the lender is allowed to proceed without that proof, there is a possibility another institution, which may have bought your note along the way, will also try to collect the same debt from you again.

A Tennessee borrower recently had precisely that happen to her. Her lender, Ameriquest, foreclosed on her in July of 2007. About three months later, another bank sent her a default notice for the mortgage on the house she just lost. She called to find out what was going on. After being transferred from place to place and left on hold for lengthy periods of time, no one could explain what happened. They said they would get back to her, but never did. Now, she faces the risk of having her credit continually damaged for a debt she no longer owes.

FIGHT FOR FAIRNESS

This process is not intended to help you get your house for free. The primary goal is to delay the foreclosure and put pressure on the lender to negotiate. Despite all the hype about lenders wanting to help homeowners avoid foreclosure, most borrowers know that’s not the reality.

Too many homeowners have experienced lender resistance to their efforts to work out a payment structure to keep them in their homes. Many lenders bear responsibility for these defaults, because they put borrowers into unfair loans using deceptive, hard-sell practices and then made the problem worse with predatory servicing.

Most homeowners just want these lenders to give them reasonable terms on their mortgages, many of which were predatory to begin with. With the help of judges who see through these predatory practices, lenders will feel the pressure to work with borrowers to keep them in their homes. Don’t forget lenders made incredible amounts of money by using irresponsible practices to issue and service these loans. That greed led to the foreclosure crisis we’re in today. Allowing lenders to continue foreclosing on home after home, destroying our neighborhoods and our economy hurts us all. So, make it hard for your lender to take your home. Make ‘em produce the note!

STEPS TO FOLLOW

A. If your lender has already filed suit to foreclose on your home:

Use the first form. It’s a fill-in-the-blank legal request to your lender asking that the original note be produced, before it can proceed with the foreclosure. In some jurisdictions, the courts require the original request to be filed with the clerk of court and a copy of the request to be sent to the attorney representing the lender. To find out the rules where you live, call the Clerk of Court in your jurisdiction.
If the lender’s attorney does not respond within 30 days, file a motion to compel with the court and request that the court set a hearing on your motion. That, in effect, asks the judge to order the lender to produce the documents.
The judge will issue a ruling at your hearing. Many judges around the country are becoming more sympathetic to homeowners, because of the prevalence of predatory lending and servicing. In the past, many lenders have relied upon using lost note affidavits, but in many cases, that’s no longer enough to satisfy the judge. They are holding the lender to the letter of the law, requiring them to produce evidence that they are the true owners of the note. For example:
In October 2007, Ohio Federal Court Judge Christopher Boyko dismissed 14 foreclosure cases brought by investors, ruling they failed to prove they owned the properties they were trying to seize.
B. If you are in default, but your lender has not yet filed suit against you:

Use the second form. It’s a fill-in-the-blank letter to your lender which also requests they produce the original note, before taking foreclosure action against you.
If the lender does not respond and files suit against you to foreclose, follow the steps above.
UPDATE: CNN features The Consumer Warning Network and the “Produce The Note” strategy. Borrowers are putting this plan into action and getting results!
Consumer Warning Network Featured on CNN

http://www.consumerwarningnetwork.com/2008/06/19/produce-the-note-how-to/
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 06:53 PM
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12. Thanks for posting that. I had not seen it.
:hi:
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 08:53 PM
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14. I'm pleased some media force mentioned desperation...
...after reading this happy horseshit article this weekend...

Unemployed use time for health, hobbies and family

I figured after reading that article we'd be hearing Babs Bush chirp once more "...so this is working very well for them."

Good for the NYT!

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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:23 AM
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15. There is no fat to be cut
JEB started his first term with a demand to layoff 25% (five percent a year) of the state workforce to "trim the fat" from government. He did not get all of the 25%, but he got a large part of it.

We have the one of the smallest (per capita) state workforces in the nation, and by my understanding, the least expensive in dollars per taxpayer nationally. Our county laid off 565 teachers last year, and from all reports, more layoffs are on the agenda to meet this year's budget problem.

There is no fat and there has been no fat for at least 10 years. The legislature has long since passed cutting fat and gone to simply delivering less services. Service cuts have always hit the poor and disadvantaged first as they contribute little to election campaigns. Count on the trend continuing and getting worse with time.
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