Should Reid, Pelosi, Both or Neither be replaced as Dem Leaders?

[Pryderi]

[AndyA]

1. Both Pelosi and Reid have shown their abilities quite well.

They made excellent White House door mats for Bush and Cheney to wipe the dog shit off their shoes on.

Really, it's what Pelosi and Reid do best. :eyes:

[paulk]

2. since both were re- elected easily just recently

what's the point of this thread, other than to stir up the usual shit?

[Pryderi]

3. Maybe we should vote for the leadership, not our reps

[karynnj]

23. I seriously doubt either the House or Senate rules will be changed to that

[Enrique]

4. standing up to the GOP too much?

not capitulating as much as Obama wants them to?

[wildbilln864]

5. BOTH! nt

[tom_paine]

6. ROFL. It's a tight one.

:rofl:

Who knows how it will end?

[Mike 03]

9. Yeah, the majority's always right, isn't that so?? NT

Nine out of ten Americans will tell you Stephen King is a better writer than Dostoyevsky.

[tom_paine]

13. A very good point. Except for one thing, NO ONE on DU is in the majority in any way.

DUers, in most ages and nations, usually don't grow old. We are blown up, beaten, or falsely imprisoned in places like Robben Island and Karagranda.

America, with our newfangled Inverted Totalitarianism, doesn't play that. As the original Tom Paine said, "The cunning of the fox is as murderous as the violence of the wolf."

But I digress. It is always a unique experience being in the majority sometimes here at DU, even though there is no place in our National Dialogue for the point of view of people like me and probably you, who predicted pre-9/11 2001 that Bush would leave us with $10,000,000,000,000 in debt if he got 8 years or predicted IN Sept. 2002 that torture would swiftly return to Iraq after our invasion or other prescient stuff like that.

Majority? Don't make me LAUGH! So, while you make an interesting point, it is simply not relevant here, because even the "majority" at DU, comprised of some of the furthest-thinking people in the nation, each of us with track records 100 times better than the most "brilliant" bloviating Cable Infoganda M$M Pundit, is the tiniest of minorities.

Primarily because of the destruction of critical thinking in our nation, many DUers are like one-eyed people in the Kingdom of the Blind.

This does not make us better than anyone else. Far from it, it marks us for possible suffering or death if people get tired, cold, and hungry enough and the Hannities offer them a scapegoat. It is also a skill,an individual strength, no better or different in it's own way than weightlifting makes someone indisputably stronger for doing it.

Anyway, that's a lot of gab to say, being in the majority on DU is NOT EVER being in the actual majority. Just like seeing Hitler for what he was in 1933 didn't put one in any majorities in Germany, but in the tiniest of fringe lunatic minorities.

Like being on DU.

I'm all out of patience and politeness. Sorry if I am too frank for you, but it's way too late to pull punches and be politely politically correct. Way too late for "dry powder", too.

Majority.

:rofl:

[Mike 03]

15. You make some very good points.

I always enjoy your thoughtful posts, even when I don't agree 100% with them.

You are one of the deep thinkers here.

I think DU is a fairly good microcosm of Democratic thinking. The views here are much broader than they are at, say, the Freeper site.

That's just IMO.

I do admire your posts.

Best

[tom_paine]

16. Thanks Mike. These are stressful times, indeed. Even now.

You are too kind.

:hi:

[Mike 03]

17. Yes, you are right, these feel like really stressful times.

You always get me thinking.

I appreciate that.

:loveya:

My father once wanted to write an editorial for DU and sign it "Tom Paine" and I had to explain to him there was already someone here with that name.

[GreenTea]

7. Imagine Boxer or Feingold for Senate leader - Kucinich, Conyers or Waxman for congressional instead!

[Pryderi]

21. Sen. Whitehouse and Congressman Waxman.

[karynnj]

25. Whitehouse has been in the Senate for 2 years - he will not be leader - at least at this time

[karynnj]

24. Think of what you would be doing to them.

The reason you suggest them is that they are some of the people who have been willing to take the lonely stands. To use just one example, let's take Feingold. As an individual Senator, he could stand and make protest votes - such as on the Patriot Act or voting against Obama's choice, Geitner. As ML, he really could not lead all Democrats to do that.

The role of having to find a compromise that will pass is the antithesis of what they are valued for. We need the prophets speaking truth in the wilderness as much as we need leaders. It is extremely hard to try to be both.

[Webster Green]

8. Both!

They are both scared little wussies, so they should both go. :thumbsdown:

[ColbertWatcher]

10. Neither. I don't fall for the GOP-controlled media's claims about our leaders.

I thought Al Gore would have made a good president despite what the prevailing post-election echo chamber was pooh-poohing.

I thought John Kerry would have made a good president despite what the prevailing post-election echo chamber was pooh-poohing.

Pelosi and Reid make mistakes like anyone will in that position.

That the GOP have targeted them only means they must be doing something right.

[Webster Green]

18. "That the GOP have targeted them only means they must be doing something right."

Not at all.

Pukes are like schoolyard bullies. They will continue to attack until the victim sticks up for him/herself.

Reid and Pelosi are fucking wimps. The pukes will never give them a break.

[ColbertWatcher]

19. So, why should we let the GOP have anyone?

Fuck 'em.

Keep Pelosi and Reid where they're at; we don't take direction from the GOP.

If they want different leadership, they can try to get elected.

[Webster Green]

20. Oh, I'm all for fucking the GOP..

Give 'em Barbara Boxer (my senator) to deal with in the Senate. }(

Give 'em Dennis Kucinich to deal with in the House. :nuke:


Heh! :rofl:

[Edweird]

11. Both. Posthaste.

[damntexdem]

12. Yes.

[On the Road]

14. I Don't Hate Them as Much as Some People Here

but there have got to be more effective leaders.

[Romulox]

22. I think we should replace both, and with Democrats this time. nt

[Pryderi]

26. They both project weakness when I see them on tv.

[Pryderi]

27. Any more voters?

[dkofos]

28. Both, for the simple reason that they couldn't lead each other across the street.