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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 07:54 AM
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Robert Fisk’s World: When did we stop caring about civilian deaths during wartime?

I'm not sure where all this started. No one doubts that the Second World War was a bloodbath of titanic proportions, but after that conflict we put in place all kinds of laws to protect human beings. The International Red Cross protocols, the United Nations – along with the all-powerful Security Council and the much ridiculed General Assembly – and the European Union were created to end large-scale conflict. And yes, I know there was Korea (under a UN flag!) and then there was Vietnam, but after the US withdrawal from Saigon, there was a sense that "we" didn't do wars any more. Foreigners could commit atrocities en masse – Cambodia comes to mind – but we superior Westerners were exempt. We didn't behave like that. Low-intensity warfare in Northern Ireland, perhaps. And the Israeli-Arab conflict would grind away. But there was a feeling that My Lai had been put behind us. Civilians were once again sacred in the West.

I'm not sure when the change came. Was it Israel's disastrous invasion of Lebanon in 1982 and the Sabra and Chatila massacre by Israel's allies of 1,700 Palestinian civilians? (Gaza just missed that record.) Israel claimed (as usual) to be fighting "our" "war against terror" but the Israeli army is not what it's cracked up to be and massacres (Qana comes to mind in 1996 and the children of Marwahine in 2006) seem to come attached to it. And of course, there's the little matter of the Iran-Iraq war between 1980 and 1988 which we enthusiastically supported with weapons to both sides, and the Syrian slaughter of thousands of civilians at Hama and...

No, I rather think it was the 1991 Gulf War. Our television lads and lasses played it for all it was worth – it was the first war that had "theme" music to go with the pictures – and when US troops simply smothered alive thousands of Iraqi troops in their trenches, we learned about it later and didn't care much, and even when the Americans ignored Red Cross rules to mark mass graves, they got away with it. There were women in some of these graves – I saw British soldiers burying them. And I remember driving up to Mutla ridge to show a Red Cross delegate where I had seen a mass grave dug by the Americans, and he looked at the plastic poppy an American had presumably left there and said: "Something has happened."

He meant that something had happened to international law, to the rules of war. They had been flouted. Then came Kosovo – where our dear Lord Blair first exercised his talents for warmaking – and another ream of slaughter. Of course, Milosevic was the bad guy (even though most of the Kosovars were still in their homes when the war began – their return home after their brutal expulsion by the Serbs then became the war aim). But here again, we broke some extra rules and got away with it. Remember the passenger train we bombed on the Surdulica bridge – and the famous speeding up of the film by Jamie Shea to show that the bomber had no time to hold his fire? (Actually, the pilot came back for another bombing run on the train when it was already burning, but that was excluded from the film.) Then the attack on the Belgrade radio station. And the civilian roads. Then the attack on a large country hospital. "Military target," said Jamie. And he was right. There were soldiers hiding in the hospital along with the patients. The soldiers all survived. The patients all died.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fiskrsquos-world-when-did-we-stop-caring-about-civilian-deaths-during-wartime-1521708.html

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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 08:17 AM
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1. The answer to that is, of course, another Dick Cheney connection.
Cheney has been a bad seed for a long long time.
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biopowertoday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 09:07 AM
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4. Indeed. but until the people protest enough nothing
will change.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 08:20 AM
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2. STOP caring?
When did governments ever START caring?
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 09:00 AM
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3. That's exactly what Marilyn Young and Pierre Sprey
were saying on Bill Moyers Friday night.
It was a superb discussion and I fear if Pres Obama continues on this road, he's heading for disaster and failure.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/01302009/watch.html
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 11:41 AM
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5. Thanks for that link, n/t
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 08:55 PM
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6. kick n/t
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 08:59 PM
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7. When war started
Civilians on the other side have never mattered. From time to time, nations give lip service to the idea that they do, but it's always a lie.
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 09:23 PM
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8. The internet has given daylight and hope
But it's effects are slow, technology has exceeded humanity in it's worst form, humanity needs to catch up.
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the_chinuk Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 09:31 PM
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9. I'm not sure when the change came either ...
... but it was made manifest when the only places the Iraq War dead was being tallied was in Javascript on liberal poliblogs, and when President Bush was allowed to get away with shipping our dead back in the middle of the night ...

... and nobody in the Media made a peep about it.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 09:36 PM
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10. This is part of why all war is sin
There was a time when starting a war was a serious and (you'll pardon the word) sober undertaking. With George W. Bush, it was a diversion, an entertainment. Nobody really died, or if they did, it wasn't likely to be anyone you knew or cared about. And you'll get over it soon enough. No photos of returning bodies, not much coverage of the returning maimed and insane. Well, unless they were particularly "inspiring," by which I mean not resentful at all (at least not yet) of trading their youth and health for 60 years on titanium gizmos for a lie.

What else would you expect from motherfuckers, except that they'd fuck mothers?
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