Details of CIA Fraud to Stay Secret, Judge Rules (Dusty Foggo)

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Hmm... Seems like Obama an his Justice Department should make sure the public is being served by this ruling.

From ABC News:

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6752640&page=1

Details of CIA Fraud to Stay Secret, Judge Rules
Public Won't See Secret Grand Jury Transcripts from Kyle "Dusty" Foggo Case

By JUSTIN ROOD
January 29, 2009

The American public may never learn the full extent of fraud and abuse committed by a former top CIA official, and uncovered through a years-long federal investigation.


Kyle "Dusty" Foggo, who resigned from the CIA in 2006, is in the spotlight again after a federal judge denied a request by federal prosecutors to release portions of secret grand jury transcripts in his case.
(AP/ABC News)

In a ruling filed Wednesday, a federal judge denied a request by federal prosecutors to release portions of secret grand jury transcripts which, the lawyers alleged, would allow the public to see a fuller measure of the crimes of Kyle "Dusty" Foggo, who resigned from the CIA in 2006.

"It is the public that is the victim of this fraud, and the public should have an opportunity to consider all of Foggo's conduct," the prosecutors argued. Foggo's lawyer said prosecutors were just "looking to make a big public splash" by releasing the material, which could include gossip and speculation.

Foggo pled guilty last September to a single count of wire fraud. In exchange, prosecutors dropped over two dozen other charges against him, including money laundering and conspiracy.

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This is a information that the public really should hear. The prosecutors made a point of saying so a few weeks ago. We should be calling Obama's offices demanding that we hear what is going on in this case. If we're moving to transparency of our government we really should remind him that it needs to start now with this case!

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hSoMDsA5PakZOd1o1yx655Egw9ngD95JR1P80

Prosecutors urge release of testimony in CIA case

By MATTHEW BARAKAT – Jan 9, 2009

ALEXANDRIA, Va. (AP) — Kyle "Dusty" Foggo is the highest ranking officer in the history of the CIA to be convicted of a federal crime, admitting he abused his influence to steer contracts toward an old friend who showered him with vacations, gourmet dinners and other gifts.

But if the public knew the full extent of his misconduct, they would be outraged, prosecutors said Friday as they urged a judge to make public secret grand jury testimony in the case against Foggo.

Foggo was appointed in 2004 to be the agency's executive director and third-ranking officer under then-director Porter Goss. Foggo resigned in 2006 as he came under investigation.

Prosecutor Jason Forge told U.S. District Judge James Cacheris that the public has a right to know the depth of Foggo's misconduct and they want the judge to consider the transcripts during sentencing.
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[Why Syzygy]

1. Splash the Public! We can take it. Unless ......

Executive privilege?

[bottomtheweaver]

9. National Security.

"Al Qaeda" would LOVE that information!

:yes this is sarcasm:

[Why Syzygy]

10. Nah. They're doing better than we are, evidently.

"It is the public that is the victim of this fraud"

[midnight]

2. Did we just have more sand thrown into our faces?

[SalmonChantedEvening]

3. We're already outraged.

Try another reason.

[mod mom]

4. The DOJ will have to look closely at judgements coming from * cronies placed

in Judge positions. These zealots were strategically placed to continue BFEE fascist rule.

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8. Yep, Congress should be prepared for impeachments if necessary...

[ThomWV]

5. What a misleading post

If I read that article correctly this post's title is misleading. The information has not been denied to the public, or at least I could not find anything in that article that said it was. What the article said is the matter was put before the judge on friday. It, the article, gave no answer to what was decided by the Judge, when, by whom, or why.

[Why Syzygy]

6. Did you read the first link

or just the second one.

abc news article title (with added emphasis):

Details of CIA Fraud to Stay Secret, Judge Rules
Public Won't See Secret Grand Jury Transcripts from Kyle "Dusty" Foggo Case

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7. I made a point of adding the older second link to show the emphasis of the prosecutors' request

If the prosecutors made a point of requesting these transcripts be made public a few weeks ago and they actually published articles on such without the ruling in place yet, when normally, you'd only get the second article and not the first, it tells me:

a) The prosecutors feel that the stuff being kept secret is VERY important to the public.
b) That whatever is classified as 'secret' is either mislabeled as secret, or the importance that public scrutiny is applied is FAR more important than whatever level of secrecy attached to it.

In short, I think the prosecutors put forth that release hoping to get enough public response to demand transparency from the judge, and from this newer administration. Given the media's VERY weak coverage of this case, it looks like a coverup to me. Unless folks like you and me and boards like this make it an issue for this administration to deal with as an example of their dedication to bringing in transparency. If the Obama administration were able to question this and get it out in the open to show that it was obviously a coverup, that would be HUGE for them to show that they are already on the ball on fixing the problems in Washington and its security apparatus.

If they ignore it, it will be a sign that perhaps the status quo will continue on without pressure from us.

[Why Syzygy]

11. Since one thing the prosecutor said was,

"It is the public that is the victim of this fraud"

Do, you think that means the price tag of the invasions? Or possibly connected to 911?
Or, as reports I've seen, that the CIA knew about the housing fraud and took no action?
The possibilities are endless. Opinion?

[HowHasItComeToThis]

12. SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLREX

AND THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA CONGRESSPEOPLE

[Why Syzygy]

14. As reported in this book?

He offers a vivid look at the new caste of professional militarists who have infiltrated multiple branches of government, who classify as "secret" everything they do, and for whom the manipulation of the military budget is of vital interest.

Among Johnson's provocative conclusions is that American militarism is already putting an end to the age of globalization and bankrupting the United States, even as it creates the conditions for a new century of virulent blowback. The Sorrows of Empire suggests that the former American republic has already crossed its Rubicon-with the Pentagon in the lead.

http://books.google.com/books?id=MrV7dCG5S0YC&dq=SOUTHERN+CALIFORNIA+MILITARY+INDUSTRIAL+COMPLEX&source=gbs_summary_s&cad=0

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16. I have a wild theory, just a theory, but if true, would explain a "bipartisan" coverup...

Since Duke Cunningham, Mitch Wade, Brent Wilkes, Thomas Kontogiannis, were all "hushed" on the details of their cases in unprecedented ways, and involved in various underhanded international arms dealing and money laundering, I wonder how much of it is tied to the source of where this money came from, which would explain why all of their cases are being handled with kid gloves now. I have no evidence connecting these this story with these cases. It is speculation on my part, but if they were tied together, I could understand why the government is so paranoid about it getting out.

There is also a not too much talked about story in this country by this media (with the exception of the McClatchey DC Bureau), but "broken" by a major German publication some years back (Frankfurter Allgemeine, which is Germany's equivalent to the Wall Street Journal here). There was the "accepted" story that super dollars (high quality counterfeit U.S. currency that were VERY hard to detect over original currency), were counterfeits made by North Korea with pilfered minting presses, etc. there, and distributed through places like Ireland and Russia, that triggered us getting newer currency designs over the last few years.

Well Frankfurter Allgemeine says that their studies of the bills and what they believe to be North Korea's capacity to make counterfeits don't measure up and that North Korea was from their analysis incapable of making the quality of counterfeits found, which in some case are even higher quality prints than real U.S. currency. Their theory was that super dollars were in fact minted in Washington DC/Virginia area and minted by a CIA operation. That it was being used to fund black ops projects (which would have helped this administration avoid the money problems that Iran Contra got in to trouble with many years back in finding supplies of unaccountable money supplies for their black ops projects then, which led them to doing deals with Iran to get that cash then.

Translation of original Frankfurter Allgemeine article:

http://www.watchingamerica.com/frankfurterallgemeine000009.shtml

McClatchey article:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/100/story/24521.html

If in fact there is truth to these stories, and our intelligence agencies were involved in such an operation, and that were to be made public, then a lot of the currency floating around the world and written off as "counterfeit" and no good, might instead be viewed as "legitimate" money, and devalue our money supply significantly enough to lead to a fatal crash of the dollar. If this is the fear, you can see that despite how nasty the truth of this might be, that both parties might be seeking to avoid this from getting out to avoid a huge crash with the dollar. The question then if this is true, is how do we deal with this. Has this operation been shut down if it has been operating? How can we trust that it would be shut down if it is without public scrutiny?

There has also been allegations from the Russian media that with the latest Georgia / Russia confrontation that the U.S. and its intelligence services were putting in place counterfeiting equipment and technology to help the Georgians print counterfeit Russian currency too. If they were already experienced in printing counterfeit U.S. dollars, it wouldn't be too hard to see how those in charge at the time might be trying to use their expertise in other areas of their operations too.

From:

http://www.jamestown.org/single/?no_cache=1&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=34044

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It has been reported in the Russian media that under the guise of humanitarian aid, the U.S. Navy has shipped equipment to Georgia to print millions of counterfeit rubles to undermine the Russian economy. The Georgian government will print and distribute the funny money, while the entire operation has been masterminded by the CIA (www.newsru.com, October 21).

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If the Russians were alleged to have been part of the North Korean conspiracy and weren't part of it in fact, then they might be more sensitive to an operation happening like this too.

Of course we have to take all of this with big grains of salt. But it is something we should be conscious of these possibilities when we see what looks to be an obvious coverup going on of cases like Foggo.

[Why Syzygy]

17. Did you read the wiki?

It does link those names.

But, now I see what this is about, if some of those threads are woven in. NWO. Paperless. Sure they are making fortunes going in, because once the door shuts, there will be no more printing. If governments can't secure their money supply, they might as well not have one. It IS all just colored paper.

Check the wiki. I have other projects on my plate, but I want a much more informed public, so I'm trying to help bring attention to this. Our national security demands it. These thugs have endangered everything. Before the thread was weaved, I thought that the way the NK got the machines, might be because they have the contract to produce the machines. But, it doesn't even matter. They are just piling up credits to deposit on the new money cards we'll all have to have.

Savor the irony. The very crisis we face is because of worthless WS *paper*. What you want to bet that those guys were in the know and are similarly racking up credits.

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18. Oh yeah, I know all of those names are linked, but with superdollars is speculation on my part...

I don't see anything connecting the super dollar plot (conjecture or otherwise) with this other set of linked conspiracies, but I'm still trying to find a more complete theory of what alternatively could trigger so much connected secrecy of all of these cases that would explain the coverup the way linking the super dollars might. I'm open to other suggestions, and I'm sure there are other variants and divergences from this too that might be even more sinister too. As you note some of the more wireless means of transacting "money" these days is also just as suspicious as fake currency itself too, but I think that that whole system and the way it is being abused needs to be looked at heavily with regards to these cases. I think it is the root of the evil that feeds this ugly neocon beast that folks like Delay and Abramoff also profited from.

[Why Syzygy]

19. Whatever the plot...

I'm annoyed that he got off pleading guilty to probably the least severe of the crimes.
Since his fraud was against the public, we should at least know why he gets to basically walk. I wonder if the plea bargain was done when the prosecutor believed there would be disclosure.

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20. Another story about the prosecutors of some of these folks in San Diego...

... when I was living there a year ago and change...

Of course we know that the breaking of the news of how Carol Lamm got fired was the first break in the big story on how all of the U.S. Attorneys were being used politically and fired if not "playing the game", and that it was shortly after the beginning of 2007 after the 2006 election. Note that Carol Lam left office around Valentine's Day two years ago just after indicting Brent Wilkes, Dusty Foggo, and John T. Michael (nephew of also indicted and convicted Thomas Kontogiannis) on February 13th.

Now, I was helping the Democratic Club in both District 50 candidates for Bilbray's district, as well as Duncan Hunter's district. Right before the election with John Rinaldi having gotten the Democratic nomination, I was able to chat with Rinaldi at one of our GOTV events for him and our club. I'd asked about the pending investigations that were going on that had already nailed Cunningham, Mitchell Wade, and were aiming sights at Brent Wilkes then...

He said that he had information that prosecutors were also going to indict Duncan Hunter too, but were going to wait until after the election, since they would rather replace him for a special election like they did with Cunningham (Bilbray) than lose the seat the way Delay did were they to indict him before the election. And of course not long after that came the known controversies that Hunter was involved with his house (undervalued value for local taxes, but overvalued for insurance return for fire destruction), his brother getting a special house deal on auctions of city owned military property that were supposed to be "randomly" given but were given to him because he was VP at the contracted firm McMillan, Duncan Hunter's lobbying activities for Blackwater getting some property down here, amongst other things. He was also rumored to be as much part of the deals that Cunningham was involved with. I believed Rinaldi had an inside ear to the prosecutor's office of what was going on there.

Given that this "delay" in the prosecution of Hunter happened (which in fact never happened), and Carol Lam was fired shortly after the election, you have to wonder if that was "intentionally arranged" that way, so that Hunter could avoid getting nailed. And it wasn't long after the prosecutor's scandal started that Hunter announced his candidacy for president that everyone felt was a longshot, which in effect served to "google bomb" any news stories that came out about him on these other issues with a wealth of other meaningless election crap to obscure them from anyone looking for them on google news.

I'd called Henry Waxman's Government Oversight Committee's office number (which likely both Republican and Democratic members had access to) and have left messages there with a) the breaking news when Carol Lam was fired, and b) my concerns that Rinaldi knew something that they should hear about. I was emailed back from their office, etc. on that occasion. I also found my house in a very strange condition when I came home later that night that wasn't conclusive, but looked like someone else had been in there surreptitiously that day when I was gone.

And of course we know that Hunter announced 'conveniently' that he was retiring and allowed his son to take over his slot in the house in his district. Hmm... I wonder why he got out...

So I also have personal reasons to believe that this set of cases are a lot bigger than they are being represented to the public.

[Why Syzygy]

21. good gawd

How much time is Obama's Justice department going to have to spend to untangle this wicked spider's nest. That's very disheartening. Isn't the Justice issue what Rove is on subpoena for? Obama's office is looking at that right now.

Of course we know the whole Bush Justice department thing was a scam.
We sure live in some Interesting Times.

[TroubleMan]

13. This is the guy who was involved in the short selling on 9/11.

I'd love to crack open that file.

[Why Syzygy]

15. wiki

Kyle Dustin "Dusty" Foggo (born March 17, 1954), is a former American government intelligence officer convicted of bribery in the awarding of a government contract. The executive director ("EXDIR", the number three position) of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) until 2006, Foggo was charged on February 13, 2007 with fraud and other offenses in the bribery case of convicted US congressman Randy Cunningham. This indictment was superseded and expanded with an indictment returned on May 10, 2007, charging fraud, conspiracy, and money laundering in relation to his dealings with defense contractor Brent Wilkes. On September 29, 2008, Foggo pleaded guilty to one count of the indictment, admitting that while CIA executive director he accepted a bribe to steer a CIA contract to the firm of his lifelong friend, Brent Wilkes.<1>
.. con't

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyle_Foggo

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22. k and r n/t

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[Why Syzygy]

23. kick