Octuplets Mom has been in hospital for 7 weeks...

[JeffreyWilliamson]

According to this article:

As the initial excitement over the “miracle” octuplets wears off, some medical professionals now say more should have been done by doctors and infertility specialists to perdissuade the mother to reduce the number of babies she was carrying.

Weinert said that the real miracle at Bellflower was not that all eight embryos developed, but that she was able to carry them for 30 weeks, seven weeks after being admitted into the hospital.

On the surface this doesn't seem too surprising--after all doctors reportedly thought she was carrying seven babies. But when you consider that the mother lives with her parents in a 2-bedroom house, that the family makes about $61K annually in household income, (as other articles have stated), AND that the mother's parents declared bankruptcy in 2008.

Who is going to take care of these children, and what was everyone involved in this thinking?

[NJmaverick]

1. The irresponsible fertility doctor should be responsble for all unpaid expenses

[aquart]

18. I agree.

If ever a woman was NOT infertile...

Moreover, this lady has mental health issues. NOT a good candidate on any level.

[FarCenter]

2. The fertility clinic should be sued for child support

[Ninga]

3. Silly you. Don't you remember the TeeVee right to life mantra "Life, what a

beautiful thing."

All the "right to lifers" will converge and help and donate and give money and time and education and food and life-will-be-wonderful and maybe even someone will build them a new home, and give him a new job, and a 20 passenger vehicle.

[Sal Minella]

21. Neither of the Duggar Breeders has a job, and they certainly have a lovely home:

http://www.duggarfamily.com/photos.html

Young Fundies are told that copulating will lead them to Hell, but then the example set before them is that copulating excessively over many years leads you to a Rich and Retired lifestyle supported by the idiocy of others.

Ya gotta admire folk like that, yanno?

[all.of.me]

42. They have a bunch of rental properties that support them.

They said that on tv.

[tanyev]

4. "Perdissuade"?

What?

[JeffreyWilliamson]

5. Yeah, I caught that, too...

Remebmer back when people used to rpoof read?

[Sal Minella]

24. On.

[CrispyQ]

6. My thoughts exactly!

I guess after 8 years of boosh it's ok to just make words up. :eyes:

[Warren Stupidity]

7. I think we should obsess over this to the exclusion of all else

at least until the media perdissuades us to obsess and cluck about some other shocking distraction.

[JeffreyWilliamson]

10. I wanted to find a way to work in Wal-Mart, Rick Warren, Rush Limbaugh...

feelings of outrage at the stimulus bill, and concern about reaching across the aisle to Republicans.

In the end I perdissuaded myself from doing that and just stuck to the octuplet lady story.

[AngryAmish]

15. I think we all should panic.

[aquart]

22. And belittling us is, of course, the best way to show us the error of our ways.

And your own superiority.

[Warren Stupidity]

35. nah - I'm almost as obsessed and distracted as you

I'm just a bit more aware of my obsessions and am sharing my awareness. You suggest instead I keep the fact that this is Yet Another Distraction to myself so you won't feel bad?

[sweettater]

8. tv deal?

:think:

[terisan]

9. The womb police are here!!!!!!!Yikes! Trillions for bankers but let's dump on this citizen.

[aquart]

19. We're paying for every damn thing coming out of that womb.

So yeah.

[spoony]

28. Should we expect threads about all individuals on public assistance, then?

[terisan]

37. we pay for lots of procedures necessitated by men engaging in unprotected sex-

any thoughts on policing the millions of irresponsible sperm distributors ?

[Thothmes]

38. Dont forget it take two to tango. The sperm receptors have a part to play in this also.

[GCP]

26. Give it a rest

Why should she be able to milk the system like this when other sick people don't get the treatment they need because of poverty.

[K Gardner]

11. They need to stop pushing this "should have reduced #" meme, or they'll make this woman

a cause celeb for the right wing fundies. Focus needs to be on the DOCTOR who did this and the motives of an irresponsible woman who couldn't support the six children she already had.

[JeffreyWilliamson]

12. What do you wanna bet the fundies' support will stop at

slapping her picture all over their mailers?

Pretty sure the doctors need to get some serious heat over this. Admittedly I'm not up on IVF consultations or treatments. Would the doctors in any way have screened for financial stability or income level, or just done what she asked provided she could write out a check?

Seems to me the doctors have some serious explaining to do.

[AnnieBW]

40. She already is

A pro-lifer that I know is saying that she's a hero because she didn't have selective reduction. Yeah, she's a whack job who wants to get on a reality show, but she's a f*cking hero because she didn't have an abortion. Whee.

[global1]

13. The First Question That Should Be Asked Is Why Someone With 6 Children Already.......

would even want to go to a fertility clinic? Then - why would the fertility clinic even entertain IVF? What am I missing here?

[aquart]

20. You're missing malpractice and a clear mental health issue.

The lady was demonstrably NOT infertile. And any woman who wants fertility treatments with 6 kids and the most recent ones twins is NUTS, certifiably loony tunes. How could any physician assist this obsession and NOT recommend a psychiatrist?

Also....WHERE WERE THE BILLS SENT? This isn't a cheap process. Who was the doctor billing?

[LisaL]

30. That's not true. Her mother, according to published reports,

says she was infertile, and that all her kids are resulted from IVF.

[cherish44]

23. I just read that they were frozen embryos from a previous IVF cycle

Apparently all her children are from IVF. And her parents say she's obsessed with children. She seems mentally ill to me.

[kestrel91316]

27. If all her kids are from IVF, how is it that the first 6 pregnancies all resulted

in one or two, and now this most recent has resulted in EIGHT??? Did a different, less conscientious (read: more unethical and greedy) doctor do the last one?

You know, if this woman had wanted to just have her embryos one by one, I don't think anyone would give a damn. Having 8 at one time is simply insane.

[LisaL]

29. What is being reported she had embryos left from previous

procedures. So my guess is this time more embryos (whatever was left) had been implanted than in her previous treatments.

[shireen]

14. they'll be fine ...

think sequels to
Jon and Kate plus Eight
Extreme Home Makeover
17 Kids and Counting

Discovery Channel or one of the networks will be clamoring for the rights, probably already are ....

[havocmom]

16. And someday...

sainthood?

[Hekate]

43. Undoubtedly. Just not in my religion.

:eyes:

[Warpy]

17. The problem here isn't a mother who wanted to keep all

her potential babies alive, even risking her own life to do so (and a pregnancy is always a risk, a multiple like this one an extreme risk).

The problem here is the doctor. It is unethical to implant more than three fertilized ova at a time. There are international guidelines that say this and it is the standard of care for IVF clinics countrywide.

This doctor was irresponsible and unethical. S/he needs his/her license pulled over this one. This isn't a miracle. It's a potential tragedy. That he escaped with a live patient and live infants this time is a fluke. Unless he is stopped, he will kill somebody.

[Ilsa]

31. ITA. The only exception is that it is possible that if he did implant only three...

all of them could have split once, I bet, but that doesn't explain the other two babies, unless there was another split of two embryos.

It is absurd for a doc to implant eight embryos and not expect problems for mom and babies.

Religious people need ot get off this baby worship thing they have going on. Babies can be a real blessing, but 14 kids can be hard on everyone, including the kids. Planet Earth doesn't need more babies.

[NashVegas]

36. Agreed. Too Few Want To Place Any Responsibility

On medical ethics.

[rebecca_herman]

39. Agreed

The only way I would say it was ethical on the doctor's part is if this is a freak occurance where they put in only a few embryos and they all took and all split into identicals. Because a pregnancy with 8 is dangerous, I would say it is justified for a doctor to refuse to participate in trying to produce such a pregnancy. But the number of children she already had should not have been a factor if she only wanted to transfer them 1-3 at a time.

[GCP]

25. And how much are the hospital bills

That the good people of California are now , no doubt, paying? I'm as socialist as anybody, but this whole thing reeks IMHO.
Talk about milking the system.

[Liberal_in_LA]

32. so there will be 17 people living in a 2 bedroom? I foresee an episode of "Extreme Makeover"

They love stories that tug at the heart strings. 17 in a 2 bedroom?! 'Extreme makeover' will demolish the home and consruct a McMansion in 2 days.

[Liberal_in_LA]

33. another thought... how can the doctors let her take 8 babies home to a 2 bedroom?

What's gonna be the sleeping arrangements? All 8 babies in one room and the other 6 in the other? Grandma and Grandpa sleep in the living room? Seems like hell.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

34. I'm not surprised...my daughter had twins and was hospitalized for 3 weeks before giving birth.

[bertman]

41. This story makes me want to donate to Planned Parenthood and have a vasectomy.