OUTRAGE RETURNS

[JMDEM]

So I thought my outrage beyond outrage would end with the Obama administration.

Gee, I must be just like Charley Brown every time Lucy pulls that football out...

Now let me get this straight...

The Democrats have overwhelming majorities in the House and the Senate. And they control the White House.

But Obama just gave in to a bunch of Republican demands for the stimulus package. More tax breaks for those who don't need them. Cut funding for planned parenthood. Fuck the poor some more. Give more money to the rich. WHY??? WHY FUCKING WHY??? WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY????

This is beyond fucking belief. WE CONTROL EVERYTHING. Yet we still act like beaten housewives when faced down by a minuscule Republican minority.

And the Republican response when we give them everything they want for no reason whatsoever? FUCK YOU IN THE FACE. FUCK YOU IN THE FACE. Not a SINGLE REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN VOTED FOR THE STIMULUS PACKAGE.

Get this message Obama. Get this message Pelosi. Get this message Reid. WE ARE SICK OF THIS BULLSHIT. Are you people fucking nuts? What in the HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU??? This is complete insanity. Fuck the Republicans, and fuck them right now. If the Republicans insist on playing obstructionists to the changes that this country vitally needs TO EVEN SURVIVE, then run them over. Just completely run them over. Screw them.

I am so mad right now. This is so utterly insane.

[Thrill]

1. Obama didn't give in to any tax breaks. The bill actually has less tax cuts than when Obama sent it

over

[JMDEM]

5. More info please

Maybe I can dampen this outrage

[Thrill]

8. When Obama sent it to Congress. Tax Cuts were about 40% of the bill

Including the 3,000 for companies that hire people. That was scrapped and now only about 30% is tax cuts

[cliffordu]

2. Perhaps the long view, the one that Obama took to win the nomination and then

the election might be the safe thing to do here.

He just set the Repubicans in the House ( The most hateful republicans in the entire government, by the way) up to look like the complete obstructionist asses they are, and then invited them for drinks.

He knows EXACTLY what he's doing. He needed to keep the promise of compromise this one time, as per his campaign....and now we'll see what happens.

It would be nice if people on this board would see who the President really is, rather than as a sports team who must destroy the enemy.

He let Hillary fuck up: then

He let mcCain fuck up

Now he's letting the Republicans fuck up.

They can't even deliver a coherent message as to why they didn't vote for it.

[BrklynLiberal]

6. After all the "compromises" he made, not even 1 repuke voted for it.

[cliffordu]

10. They really weren't compromises, were they???

Understand that EVERYBODY asks for lots more than they will ever hope to get.

Obama went to the hill to talk to the Repubs (NOT THE DEMS...) the other day and the Repubs responded by holding a press conference BEFORE he even got there saying that they weren't going to vote for it NO MATTER WHAT.

They did just that, right after they got the "major" concessions.....The got nothing that will not be passed later but they want to be fake tough guys, deluded to the bitter end.


Obama will get every fucking thing he wants and will let those asses destroy themselves along the way....

This is really going to be fun.

[BrklynLiberal]

17. I beleive that the compromises were on things that he knew from the start he

would take out. As was said by someone else, The President is playing chess, and the repukes are still playing checkers.

They have been taken and do not even know it.

[butterfly77]

48. My thoughts exactly..

[noiretextatique]

50. i agree...i am enjoying this, and i will continue to enjoy it

as Obama continues to ropes these dopes. it's a brilliant strategy.

[JeffreyWilliamson]

9. +1

Looks like I'm following you again in agreement. This is getting to be a habit.

When I heard about the family planning funding being removed as a compromise I was angry. Then I thought about it, took a step back and looked at the bigger picture...

The Republicans thought they were making a statement with all of this, but they were played. Big time played. Now he has the opportunity to beat the House Republicans over the head anytime he wants, because they, after all his attempts to work in a bipartisan fashion, resoundingly proved that in the end they want America to fail, and are unwilling to compromise even in the best interests of their own country.

Let me be the first to offer a new word: "Obama'd".

The House Republicans thought they were making a stand and winning votes by their obstructionist move, but in the end they got Obama'd.

I'm pretty confident that in the end they'll finally realize this. Or maybe not, since they're idiots...

[cliffordu]

12. Obama'd.....lol

:rofl:

PERFECT!!!

I first heard about the family planning thingy and KNEW that's what the idiots were going to go after with the talking heads and jabber jockeys......

I think it was in the bill as bait to begin with......

Wait till the next big bill Obama sets forth. I'll bet it will be lean and unassailable.

Just like he is. Fucking guy scares me.

[JeffreyWilliamson]

14. Yeah, Obama definitely knows what he's doing...

That becomes obvious when you really think about how he's gotten here and what his playbook is. He's dangerous.

I'm really, really glad he's on our side. I wouldn't want to get Obama'd myself, after all. I imagine it'd make a person feel like a real dumbass to be on the receiving end of that.

[eilen]

16. I love how he does that

What blew my mind tonight was the Republicans saying that they didn't vote for it because it wasn't big enough.

Just how many days ago were they saying it was spending too much? Then the congress critter licking Rush's boots... the misogynist creep on Chris Matthews.. They all look like total douche bags.

Obama shows class and a great sense of humor.

[JeffreyWilliamson]

19. It's like he sees all of this as a chess board...

It's uncanny, the strategy of it all. He's always one step ahead.

Now he can control the message for the next 10 bills in the House.

[BrklynLiberal]

18. yup. I believe you are right.

Like the sucker in a big scam..they do not even know they have been taken.

[livvy]

35. Like in The Sting...Newman/Redford/Shaw. n/t

[BrklynLiberal]

44. Exactly. n/t

[tblue37]

38. Love it, but maybe we could spell it "Obama3d," on the pattern of

"pwn3d." This spelling would give us a helpful suffix and carry the same deep level of snark as "pwn3d" while avoiding the clearly undesirable, unworkable "Obamaed."

[rufus dog]

22. well said

and where is the chill the fuck out picture?

[JeffreyWilliamson]

23. How's this?

[cliffordu]

25. That's what I'm talking about!!!!

:toast:

[rufus dog]

27. Thank you JW!

[Pryderi]

39. True. Obama already has the GOP shackled to "The Limbaugh" and will toss them all over the side

when the time comes.

[BrklynLiberal]

3. and it has to be reconciled with the Senate version...so it might end up even better.

[defendandprotect]

4. Because the DLC is there to move the Democratic Party to the right . . .

Emmanuel is DLC leadership, is he not?

HRC is DLC leadership, is she not?

There's a lot of DLC influence on the White House ---

Now, I would say ONCE around on this kind of planning --- and maybe even before because

many have predicted this and I'm sure Obama was warned what might happen -- but after

ONCE, then I don't think we can say that Obama didn't know what was going to happen.

Good job by the GOP in still controlling the Democratic Party --- !!!

We'll keep hoping for Obama to succeed -- but this is bad news and it was obvious to

most what the end result would be.

Predicted all along ---

[cliffordu]

13. I don't think you are right about any of this,

Sorry.

:shrug:

[defendandprotect]

15. DLC is the corporate-wing of the Democratic Party . . ..

I presume you understand the corporate interests . . . ?

If you read the DLC website you will see its leadership listed --

let me know if you find anything different from what I stated ---

Meanwhile, you will also find that they exist to move the Democratic Party

to the right. That's no secret -- except in a way it is because not all Democrats

have understood this.

[undergroundpanther]

21. The DLC

are Democrats in name only.Fucking corporate pigs pretending to care about the little guys. They are VILE.They have disdain for the poor and anything that interrupts the flow of gravy to their corporate masters..

[defendandprotect]

24. That's pretty much it ----

[defendandprotect]

7. Unfortunately . . .

you're shouting to Democratic leadership/Pelosi-Reid which seems intent on not hearing you ---

and you have nowhere to go -- and they know it!

But . . . we'll all keep hoping that this isn't happening --

and that tomorrow will be better!

[Political Tiger]

11. It's been a week for God's sake!

[undergroundpanther]

20. I dunno

Bi Partisanship with fucking sociopaths,narcissists and authoritarian that's what the right wing toxic personality IS .Compromising with them IS compromising your own integrity.

When your enemy has no scruples,having scruples,( like the spirit of bi partisanship bullshit )..will render your scruples unscrupulous by default.

Republicans need a good sound public stomping. The greedy need to be made to be POOR before we all are poor. The most wealthy have abused power through financial abuse of the citizens. There comes a time to take the pigs to slaughter. Obama hasn't seemed to have gotten the memo on this yet, maybe. And yeah I am pissed off about the concessions too..

Seems like some people want this crisis to continue for their own nefarious ends..

http://www.thenational.ae/article/20081106/BUSINESS/167536298/1005

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Henry_Kissinger_Obama_should_act_to_0106.html

http://blogs.wsj.com/marketbeat/2008/09/19/one-week-later-a-new-world-order/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/jan/26/gordon-brown-economic-policy

[JMDEM]

26. So this was all planned, ey?

Well, I sure as shit hope you are right and that Obama really is a master chess player, and not the equivalent of Jacque Clouseau, stumbling around in the dark and accidentally coming across a good result.

[JeffreyWilliamson]

28. Just think about it...

Obama makes a big show of bipartisanship, even though he knows he can get the bill passed with just his own party.

He's on television every day courting the Republicans and cutting deals, all the while pushing this meme of bipartisanship and compromise.

Obama makes a big show out of compromising, letting unrelated things be taken out of the bill, and then when it comes to a vote, after all their posturing--every single Republican votes against it.

Who was the good guy in all of this? Who was "trying as hard as they could" to reach across the aisle? The Republicans, or Obama? No matter what the Republican's answer is, we will all remember the news footage of how gracious he was to them, and everyone here at DU will remember how much that pissed them off at the time, (because Obama is good at making people believe it).

But he won. The Republicans don't want to help America, they want to hurt it. Obama wants to work with them but they want America to fail. They'll vote against anything he puts up for consideration, even when he works to include them...

The Republicans just got Obama'd...

[misanthrope]

30. I'll believe he was using that complete strategy...

...when he or his people come out and start explicitly highlighting the opposition's intransigence and obstinacy in no uncertain terms for the American public. Waiting for the non-political junkies to see that on their own is tantamount to failure in and of itself. For it to count, he has to use it.

[JeffreyWilliamson]

32. Hasn't he already given us proof?

During the primaries, he headed to all of the states, put on a good show, gave lots of great speeches, and was very, very gracious in defeat. But all the while his strategy was never to win the popular votes in states, it was to win delegates...

During the GE, I was "concerned" that he was throwing it to McCain, because he wasn't campaigning in a lot of the normal places, and his campaign wasn't focused only on the blue states. He was, in my opinion, spending too much time in the red states. I wondered why the hell he was in Indiana and Iowa so much when he should be making big showings in places like Pennsylvania, which McCain was going after relentlessly. But his strategy wasn't the popular vote, it was the electoral vote, and I was wrong...

As cliffordu posted above, Hillary got Obama'd, McCain got Obama'd, and now, after it should be obvious to anyone watching all this time, I'm pretty sure the Republicans got Obama'd as well.

I'm not saying that he'll use that kind of capital next time something comes up, but perhaps when the next really BIG thing comes up, and the Republicans come calling for a compromise, he'll shut the door in their face and send his people out to the Sunday morning shows to remind everyone what happened the last time a big bill came up, and how gracious he was, and how much they tried to screw everyone over.

Classic Obama...

[The Wielding Truth]

34. Like hardliners they had their chance and blew it?

[eilen]

43. Reading your post I just got a flash and said "healthcare"

could that be the big one he is working up to? He'd need to neutralize Rush for that one. I'd say he is on his way. This is a multi-year strategy.

[LSK]

31. can you make this an original post? Obama'd...

I like it and thanks for your insight.

[JeffreyWilliamson]

33. Okay, did it...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4934348

[tomp]

36. compromise = you give some, you get some.

what did we get in exchange for what we removed from the bill as presented?

[Lucian]

29. I totally agree.

I'm equally pissed. I say to hell with Republicans. I don't understand why Democrats are "playing" with them. They didn't "play" with us for eight years. Why the fuck should we "play" with them???

[JHB]

37. At the risk of flirting with Godwin's Law...

...Obama let the Republicans have their Munich Treaty, and now they've made their true colors so perfectly clear by seizing the rest of Czechoslovakia that not even an idiot can argue that they bargain in good faith.

But I predict idiots will try, if for no other reason than it keeps getting them slots on the Towers of Babble programs.

[progressoid]

40. And yet, no republicans voted for the bill.

[KharmaTrain]

41. And We Lost What???

I saw the Democrats win the vote yesterday...and I expect the stimulus bill will pass the Senate (with GOOP votes). Then it goes back to committee where the final bill will be worked out. Here's where the GOOP really screwed their pooch. By rejecting both the House bill and the overtures from President Obama, they abdicated their right to be part of the House-Senate conference that will put together the final version of this bill. President Obama can now restore things taken out to placate repugnicans and all that's needed is a vote in the House that the Democrats are sure to win. So who lost what???

This was the first party line vote of what will be many in the years to come. While President Obama reached out, he did so with specific objectives in mind. He tried to give the House repugnicans a chance to look good...they took the opportunity and screwed it. While Obama's approvals are hovering in the upper 60's, their numbers are still in the 20's. So you tell me whose losing here.

What President Obama has done is to wedge many repugnicans and solidify his support among moderates and independents. He's establishing a majority governing position to ensure his legislation goes through. It's the "lead, follow or get out of the way". The GOOP chose to obstruct...and they do so at their own peril. They're scared shit that President Obama will succede...why they won't denounce Rushbo...cause he really does speak for them.

[LiberalPersona]

42. I'm getting the impression

that the current bill is the true one that Obama had in mind, and all the compromising stuff is just a show to give democrats a political advantage in the future.

Obama showed in his presidential campaign that he's a strategic mastermind, and it seems to me he plans to continue covertly campaigning for the next election all during his presidency.

[DS1]

45. This will backfire on them. Obama made the concessions, then they backstabbed him

and he won't forget that.

Granted, they should be all dragged outside and summarily machinegunned, but that's for another day.

[spanone]

46. i'm currenty watching the wh press briefing...the media wants to know

if President Obama will be giving more concessions....

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

47. Caving into the right wing has become a habit not yet (if ever) broken.

The art of triangulation (aka selling out) returns.

[Maven]

49. I think "FUCK YOU IN THE FACE" is the phrase of the day.

[lonestarnot]

51. Wha? Chill out! I think you are wrong.

[nichomachus]

52. Remember that Republicans voted against Social Security

and they were out of power for decades.