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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 05:52 PM
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Republicans Demand Holder Promise No Bush Prosecutions
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/1/23/16592/1381/314/688205

Republicans Demand Holder Promise No Bush Prosecutions Hotlist
by SmileySam
Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 02:20:29 PM PST

Of course most of us have suspected something like thise would come down the line. Now Senator Whitehouse is calling them out on it. We have to wonder what went on behind the closed door of Sen. Arlen Specter when he met with Eric Holder, the Obama choice for Atty. Gen.

"Republicans on the Judiciary Committee have asked Eric Holder to make a commitment, before he is even confirmed, that he will not prosecute any Bush Administration officials for their involvement in acts of torture during the last administration."
"Anyone familiar with the criminal justice system - especially those with experience as prosecutors or judges - should know that a prosecutor should make no determination about who to prosecute before he or she has all the facts, and particularly not in response to legislative pressure."

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There are many reason to protest this behavior from the Right. One of the most pressing imho is something that Emptywheel pointed out to Sen. Whitehouse just the other day.

In particular, I believe, they are delaying Holder's nomination to shorten the time between the day Holder takes over and the day the statute of limitations on violations of FISA Bush committed on March 11, 2004 start to expire--that is, March 11, 2009, just seven weeks away.

At yesterday's Progressive Media Summit, I had an opportunity to remind Senator Sheldon Whitehouse of that timeline. I reminded him, too, that Bush seems intent on delaying the time when an Article III judge assesses the evidence in the al-Haramain document, which probably proves Bush broke the law.

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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 05:53 PM
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1. OH HELL NO
THEY ALL NEED TO BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE IF THEY REFUSE TO UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION AND THE LAW.
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 05:55 PM
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6. yeah...tell you what....no.
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 06:12 PM
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19. no to what?
?
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 07:14 PM
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37. no as in - no promises re: prosecutions.
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 07:36 PM
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39. thanks for clarifying
:D

I'm in slow mo today
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 05:53 PM
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2. Why would he do that? What are they scared of?
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 05:54 PM
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3. DON'T DO IT, HOLDER!!!!
If he and Obama make that deal, they carry the burden of those crimes, as well.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 05:57 PM
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8. It doesn't matter. I heard (KO) from a Constitutional Scholar that Bush could write "SECRET Pardon"
That would NOT have to *ever* be published unless one of Bush's cronies were indicted. Therefore, we could investigate but as soon as we indict "POOF" here's their secret pardon. :(
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ProgressiveFool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 06:04 PM
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17. That's fine, send them to Europe, then. /nt
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 06:11 PM
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18. Now that's the sprit!
:patriot: :hi:
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 06:16 PM
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21. I've never heard of a secret pardon. ? fwiw, I think the (R)'s are just blowing smoke.
Edited on Fri Jan-23-09 06:25 PM by pinto
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prostock69 Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 06:23 PM
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26. Yes, but the pardon doesn't work overseas. n/t
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 06:27 PM
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28. I think that Dean wasn't stating the other part of that equation.
Edited on Fri Jan-23-09 06:27 PM by TheWraith
Yeah, you could keep a pardon secret--so long as the next administration was ALSO willing to keep it secret. The Obama crew now has access to the White House legal department.
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 07:15 PM
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38. but would it be secret from the new executive branch? if so how would it ever be executed?
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 05:54 PM
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4. Well, that pretty much pegs the "D'UH" meter. nt
:shrug:
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 05:54 PM
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5. Obama won, they lost, fuck that noise
It's time to hold the Bush administration accountable for their crimes.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 05:57 PM
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7. If you have nothing to hide!!!!!
Again I say, TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANYTHING IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE VALUE.

All this posturing will just move up bush's move to Paraguay
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 05:57 PM
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9. Do the Repukes understand that they're admitting guilt?
Makes our job much easier.
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 05:59 PM
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12. Exactly. They know that prosecutions are IN ORDER for bushco,
but they want to play a Get Out Of Jail Free card for purely political reasons.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 05:58 PM
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10. Holder must promise to uphold the law
and obey the constitution - nothing more, nothing less.
Tweety wants them locked up.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 05:58 PM
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11. reTHUGs demand obstruction of justice.
Edited on Fri Jan-23-09 06:00 PM by silverweb
That in itself is worth prosecuting.

Call their demand by its real name, Mr. Holder: obstruction of justice.

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4 t 4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 05:59 PM
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14. What-no way
that's frigging blackmail no way
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 06:01 PM
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16. Huh?


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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 05:59 PM
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13. does that not make each and every one of them an accomplice after the fact?
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 06:00 PM
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15. They are scared that once the American people get a firm grasp
on what they are up to that they will be the 21st century's version of the Whigs.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 06:28 PM
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29. Bingo
And honestly, if there is such a thing as a secret pardon, it won't save them from utter and total irrelevancy for at least a generation.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 06:14 PM
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20. tough shit, boys...ya'll lost.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 06:17 PM
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22. Republicans demand...? pfff! - Pelosi Thank gawd diagree's with republican's
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Fireweed247 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 06:17 PM
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23. Gee, they all act like he's guilty of something....
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 06:18 PM
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24. LOL. Idiots think any prosecutor would agree to that? See your point on running out the clock though
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 06:18 PM
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25. I would give them the "nuclear option".
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 06:25 PM
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27. Demands?
You lost, a-holes. You don't have enough votes to be making demands. I fart in the general direction of your demands.
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 06:30 PM
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30. so they want a promise that Holder will not uphold the law?
This, from the party of "patriots"?

Without justice, there is no law.

ENOUGH.

and....this is an OUTRAGE. NO MORE. They won't make our guy complicit in their dirty dealings. The world is watching.
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serrano2008 Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 06:32 PM
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33. Right on! Holder should say,
"Can you please make me a list of which laws I SHOULD uphold then?"
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 06:30 PM
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31. so they want a promise that Holder will not uphold the law?
This, from the party of "patriots"?

Without justice, there is no law.

ENOUGH.

and....this is an OUTRAGE. NO MORE. They won't make our guy complicit in their dirty dealings. The world is watching.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 06:31 PM
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32. Go ahead and promise. THEN PROSECUTE.
The Republicans did nothing but lie. Lying to them isn't lying. Just say anything. It doesn't matter.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 06:38 PM
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34. Surely that is not something that he can promise. Surely there are not
enough GOPers to keep him from the appointment. Obama needs to put the screws to work. This is unspeakable and remarkable. What audacious nerve. And obviously these GOPers are not even embarrassed. It seems that they know there is much to investigate and prosecute.
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 08:26 PM
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40. If they band together, they can filibuster.
But I don't think they could get every republican on board with that. Sounds more like their holding it up in the Judicial Committee right now. I've never heard of confirmation of a presidential appointment dying in committee though. I have no idea what kind of power they have there. We're the majority party, so we have the ranking committee members, right?
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 06:51 PM
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35. As a condition of approval, he must vow to ignore his duty!
Yeah, that's GOP logic, pure and simple.

And even if he gave assurances, what if he prosecuted anyway?
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blaze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 06:58 PM
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36. A delay tactic, just like you said.
"In particular, I believe, they are delaying Holder's nomination to shorten the time between the day Holder takes over and the day the statute of limitations on violations of FISA Bush committed on March 11, 2004 start to expire--that is, March 11, 2009, just seven weeks away."
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blaze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 08:45 PM
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41. kick for the evening crowd n/t
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jimlup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 10:23 PM
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42. Not even the furthest rightwing conservative should be confirmed on these terms!
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NM Independent Donating Member (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 03:47 AM
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43. FUCK. OFF. COMPLICIT. BASTARDS. n/t
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