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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:16 AM
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NSA Whistleblower: Wiretaps Were Combined with Credit Card Records of U.S. Citizens
NSA Whistleblower: Wiretaps Were Combined with Credit Card Records of U.S. Citizens
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2009/01/nsa-whistlebl-1.html

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NSA whistleblower Russell Tice was back on Keith Olbermann's MSNBC program Thursday evening to expand on his Wednesday revelations that the National Security Agency spied on individual U.S. journalists, entire U.S. news agencies as well as "tens of thousands" of other Americans.

Tice said on Wednesday that the NSA had vacuumed in all domestic communications of Americans, including, faxes, phone calls and network traffic.

Today Tice said that the spy agency also combined information from phone wiretaps with data that was mined from credit card and other financial records. He said information of tens of thousands of U.S. citizens is now in digital databases warehoused at the NSA.

"This could sit there for ten years and then potentially it marries up with something else and ten years from now they get put on a no-fly list and they, of course, won't have a clue why," Tice said.

In most cases, the person would have no discernible link to terrorist organizations that would justify the initial data mining or their inclusion in the database.

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distantearlywarning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:17 AM
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1. Here's what the NSA learned about me:
"Honey, could you pick up milk at the store today?"

And I eat a lot of sushi.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:34 AM
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5. You don't seem to have much appreciation for what can be learned about you
For instance that you post here regularly says something all in itself and that special 'something' might be just what the next tyrant to take office wants to remove from society.
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:35 AM
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6. They learned more about me and the other activists
while we were investigating election fraud during 2004. Apparently we weren't high ranking enough to warrant the 'good equipment' -- we could hear the clicks and stuff. Ah, good times! (That last bit was sarcasm.)
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 10:26 AM
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15. It is really amazing to hear how trite you think this is.
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distantearlywarning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 12:54 PM
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17. I'm making fun of them, not this issue.
It's amazing how many people at DU no longer have a working sense of humor. :hi:
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 04:43 PM
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19. Sorry. Give us a clue.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:19 AM
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2. Freaking Republicon Fascist Pharisees -
The Repubs really do live in a world of fear, and hate for all that America stands for.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:25 AM
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3. No wonder the Bush admin was a step ahead of us for 8 yrs
No matter what the scandle was for the last 8 years they were always able to wiggle their way out with the correct amount of spin at just the right time.

It had to be they were spying on the journalist - the people who would expose them and their corruption.

This had nothing to do with domestic terrorism and every thing to do with propaganda so why would FISA laws or any thing other constitutionally legal act protect them. This needs to be thoroughly investigated and prosecuted.

Again - THIS IS ABOUT A CORRUPT ADMINISTRATION CONTROLLING THE PUBLIC THROUGH PROPAGANDA AND DISINFORMATION

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:47 AM
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7. Eliot Spitzer was going to blow the whistle on Wall St. Marc Dann on election fraud in OH, .....
etc.!
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 10:21 AM
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13. Ding ding
Spitzer should not have resigned. Neither Vitter nor Craig resigned.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 10:17 AM
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12. heh
Of course they intercepted all the journalists. Why not? That's good info to have.

And the politicians, too.

Anybody and everybody they wanted to know anything about was 'listened' to.

We gave them an inch and they took a mile. No one should be surprised.

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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:31 AM
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4. Could all the NSA spying have had something to do with a the fricking credit card breaches
Edited on Fri Jan-23-09 09:31 AM by Whoa_Nelly
in the past few years?

Millions of people have had their identities threatened or stolen because of systems that, supposedly secure, have been compromised.

I know there are hacks out there, but did the NSA weaken the systems?
Did the companies give over information, allow NSA access to their customer secure systems, and create weaknesses to those systems? (all in the name of the Patriot (American Bullying) Act, of course....)


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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:55 AM
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9. That wouldn't surprise me one bit "did the NSA weaken the systems?" nt
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 10:29 AM
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16. Every time I heard about a laptop being stolen that held citizen information, I told myself - it's
on its way to the Poindexter Depository and Fishing Contest.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 02:27 PM
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18. Choose your destination


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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:52 AM
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8. Nixxon lives
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:56 AM
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10. Not just credit cards
But I imagine that they got ahold of all those records from those discount cards and such many businesses adapted in the early '00's.

One more reason that I don't have a CC or discount cards, my purchases are pretty mundane, but they're mine and I don't want anybody, either in a corporation or government, keeping track of them.

Sadly, from early indications, I doubt that the Obama administration is going to do anything to dismantle the National Security State, after all, the Dems have been chomping at the bit to use all these nifty new Executive Branch powers for their own purposes.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 10:26 AM
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14. Don't have to imagine...
They have it, I'll bet my ass on it.

-Hoot
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 10:15 AM
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11. Does calling the white house and demanding the president resign get you on the list?
because I did that more than once...
:spank:
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