Question.....to make sure I understnad this. Voter fraud vs. Election fraud.

[Mind_your_head]

I'm presenting this as a question w/answer, so please correct me if I'm wrong.

VOTER fraud is when ONE individual voter misrepresents themselves, what district they are in etc.....it's still "one vote" (every vote is important, though)

ELECTION fraud is when vast players in counting the votes seek to manipulate the resulte.

Is that basically right, a fair assessment?

[eridani]

1. Yep

For more info than you ever wanted to know about, check he Election Reform topic regularly.

[NYC_SKP]

2. perhaps...

Perhaps in some circles "voter fraud" is considered one form of the broader term "election fraud".

I'd check wikipedia and other reference sites to determine the distinctions between the two terms.

:patriot:

[Two Americas]

3. wikipedia?

There should be no confusion here. "Voter fraud" is a right wing theme - illogical and absurd. You can't easily (if at all) steal an election one vote at a time. This is always used against Democrats, and everyone here should be quick to refute it whenever they hear it. It also has distinct racist overtones, since the right wingers almost always use people in Black districts as "examples" of this supposed problem, and pander to racist stereotypes to advance this malicious and misleading theme.

"Some circles?" and "determine the distinctions?" You are spreading more confusion and misinformation.

[NYC_SKP]

8. What the hell are you talking about?

Good lord, I tried to answer the question, not a damn thing more than that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_fraud

You might want to answer the OP question in response to him or her, and leave me out of it.

:eyes:

[Two Americas]

9. see the other posts here

Not trying to give you a hard time. Important issue.

[NYC_SKP]

10. Thanks for the clarification.

Even the OP jumped on me, I didn't realize it was an object lesson and not a simple question.

I don't for a moment buy into the idea that voter fraud is a real problem, but to the extent that it may happen (for example in some small berg in Mississippi in the 60's), it could be considered a subset of Election Fraud (used as a catchall phrase), that was my suggestion.

We lost in 2000 and 2004 due to organized Election Fraud, specific organized fraud of an entire election.

From the responses one might think that I was trying to perpetuate a right wing myth, or defending their positions, or denying that Election Fraud exists.

And these are not the case.

Peace.

[Two Americas]

12. grouchy tonight, sorry

The clerk at the local store gave me an earful tonight about "voter fraud" - "you know, in the Black areas on the city people vote multiple times, and that is how the Democrats win." I was too tired and in too much pain to stand there and try to reason with him, so I just told him he was spouting racist ideas and letting idiots on hate radio do his thinking for him and left. I am sure he learned all about this from his buddies Rush and Sean. Wikipedia irks me too, since right wingers are always screwing with that. I don't use it as a source for anything anymore.

[Mind_your_head]

5. No....I think I have it right about the difference between election and voter fraud.

If YOU are unsure, perhaps YOU should check into it.

WORDS are important. (Unlike, *word* ~ which kinda means, "f*ck it" ~ doesn't matter.)

The difference between VOTER fraud and ELECTION fraud MATTERS A GREAT DEAL. AND I HOPE PEOPLE WILL LEARN TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE. (To understand what happened in 2000 and 2004. And so that it may never happen again).

[EFerrari]

7. The OP has it right. "Voter fraud" is an individual, mostly non-existent

infraction, election fraud is an organized attempt to tamper with election results via machine fraud, vote suppression, vote spoiling and etc. If you want to learn more, DU has a very good election reform forum.

[EFerrari]

4. That's right. And as Two Americas says, "voter fraud" is an excuse

the right wing uses to try to suppress the vote. They claim people are voting illegally (although there is little evidence that this is a problem at all) as a cover to impose obstacles to voting -- mostly for black people, students, military.

[GreenTea]

6. Paper ballots, the only way, we can't allow this, how do you think Rove expected a 40 run, or more

of sick republican rule, simply, by easily stealing elections, ....How? And why Republicans embrace the very easily manipulated & easily hackable Electronic Voting Machines!

Congress better change all voting apparatus' not what the republicans have given us byt he republican written HAVA as "fair".

http://www.bradblog.com/

[Jamastiene]

11. Also Voter Fraud is punishable.

Election Fraud is not. Election Fraud goes to the US Supreme Court and gets rewarded to the one who committed the Fraud.