Let's get one thing straight about Two Shoes the Non-Pilot.....

[Aviation Pro]

...he was pencil whipped through training, he was never a pilot and he was stupid enough to try and pilot a C-172 using some techniques that may have filtered in during his "pilot" tenure.

A telling sign of his non-pilothood, during his entire career fucking up everything he possibly could there was never a single mention of his given call sign. A USAF pilot's call sign is given to him by his squadron mates, the fact that nobody ever mentioned it tells me he never qualified to have one.

However I have one for him: Two Shoes.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

1. I remember reading

that he trained on a plane that was already obsolete when he was doing it. Further proof that he was never going to go anywhere or do anything.

We all know he was a fake. Dan Rather got screwed when he reported it and I hope his lawsuit proves that. They're all liars, and I cannot believe that anyone even believes that crap anymore.

Did any of his squadron mates ever come forward and attest to his time as a "pilot"? I don't remember any.

[Aviation Pro]

2. None that I know of.....

...I've trained hundreds of pilots and I'm pretty astute in determining whether aspiring pilots possess the diagnostic characteristics that every professional pilot has in him or her. Two Shoes the Drunk Cokehead possesses none of the them.

[Still Sensible]

3. In the Air Force, initial pilot training was almost always on "obsolete"

planes. When I was in they were using T-37s and T-38s, the latter was a modified F-4. Only after initial training did one get to train in the newer models.

[Aviation Pro]

4. I have serious doubts that Two Shoes.....

...could pilot a T-38. I work with a gentleman who used to be the training manager for the T-38D and in spite of it being a somewhat benign trainer you still had to be on top of your game at 400 knots.

When has Two Shoes the Drunk Clown every been on top of his game?

[MajorChode]

27. I had a look at Shrub's log book.

It's online, but I don't care to search for the link. As far as I know, he never logged time in a T-38. The T-33 was the trainer available to him at the time and he did log quite a few hours in that.

He logged time in both the 2-seat and single seat versions of the F-102, some simulator time, and naturally time in various trainers leading up to the F-102.

As far as whether he actually did log the time or not, there's been no credible evidence I have seen that suggests he didn't. His log book indicates he was flying a lot of hours up until the time the ANG implemented its mandatory drug testing policy. That's when Shrub pretty much dropped out of all participation in the ANG (at least on regular guard drills when he faced a much higher chance of getting drug tested) and refused to take his flight physical.

[deaniac21]

5. Goof ball flew the F-102 Delta Dagger

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-102_Delta_Dagger

[Tangerine LaBamba]

6. See, I doubt that he "flew" anything

I just think he sat there with his hands on the controls, while someone else did the work.

[hack89]

10. Kind of hard in a single seat plane, don't you think? nt

[Tangerine LaBamba]

14. Don't confuse me

with facts and reality.

My mind is made up, and I've decided that the plane Chimpy Fucknuts "flew" was remotely-controlled by someone on the ground.

:toast:

[Aviation Pro]

15. The trainer is a two seat front and back version....

...of the F-102. There is no proof, none, that he ever flew outside of that trainer.

[hack89]

16. 278 hours in a trainer? OK

I think your case is kind of weak but whatever.

[Aviation Pro]

17. Again, as I've said.....

...pencil whipped. (And we both know that that egregious shit happens).

[hack89]

21. All you need to do now is provide some actual proof. nt

[Aviation Pro]

7. And I say find me a squadron mate who will back up that claim.....

...the couple of styling and profiling pictures that were circulated by the press do not prove in any way shape or form that Two Shoes qualified to fly the plane. His time in the plane was always in the trainer version of the aircraft with a competent pilot bailing him out on every unstable approach. The one time that there is a record that he flew solo was with his wimpy Daddy in attendance and according to the reports everyone held their breath as he executed a VFR approach and landing.

Two Shoes the Snorting Boy was never a certified pilot.

[Generic Other]

8. I hope then he takes up flying again!

He can practice flying into mountain ranges.

[BrotherBuzz]

20. I believe Major James Bath could answer our questions

James Reynolds Bath (1937 - ) is a former director of Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI), and also former part owner of Arbusto Energy with George W. Bush, with whom Bath served as a member of the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam War. Like Bush, Bath was suspended from flying status in 1972 for failing to accomplish his annual medical examination.

Good luck locating him.....

[Karenina]

25. Haven't seen hide nor hair of that Bath boy

in a l-o-o-o-n-g time... :freak:

[deaniac21]

22. here ya go

http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/bush_records/index.html

[Aviation Pro]

24. Again, pencil whipped.....

...I went through his records last night and his flight records reflect nothing more than an entry that was later transcribed onto the training document. I know what USAF gradesheets look like and I say produce those. Oh, wait a second, they're mysteriously missing.

[deaniac21]

26. Well, you're the pro.

[jmowreader]

9. You would have put him in the same plane

There was a war going on that was eating up airplanes. If they would have put Little Boots in a front-line fighter, when he managed to crash it they would have been short one airplane.

Besides, that plane was perfectly acceptable for Bush's assigned mission of keeping the Viet Cong from crossing the Rio Grande.

[Stinky The Clown]

11. I have not seen, heard, or read one word that proves he ever did anything in TANG apart from .......

..... avoiding actual service to his country.

Avoiding service is a trait of his that continues unabated to this day.

[conscious evolution]

12. No Call Sign?

Good catch.
Every military pilot I have ever met took great pride in their Call Sign.With all the propaganda they were shovelling in order to build his cred you would think that using his Call Sign would have been high on the list.

[madmom]

13. Especially since he likes nic-naming everthing/body.

[charlie]

18. Then there's this story

extracted from this book, of a blustering clueless Dubya taking a friend on a white-knuckle flight in a plane he didn't know how to fly:

Her husband Don Evans... Willard... was a short, fastidious, narrow-faced oilman in his early thirties who was poised to assume control of the Tom Brown Company, one of the legendary older names in the West Texas patch. Bush had begun spending more time at the Evanses' apartment in the Windsor Courts, drinking cocktails with them and leaving his laundry for Susie to do. Bush liked Evans's politics, he liked that they were about the same age and that both of them had recent MBAs. He liked the fact that Evans's old man had landed on the beach at Normandy during World War II.

Evans said he'd love to go flying. At the airport he watched Bush stare at the controls, at the panel, and he realized that Bush-though not admitting it-had no idea how to fly the thing properly. After finally figuring out how to launch the plane, Bush pushed the Cessna hard down the runway. Evans screamed, "Give it some gas!" The Cessna's warning system was blinking and crackling. Bush tried to lift his craft fast, almost as if he were piloting a jet back in the Texas Air National Guard. The plane wobbled into the air, and the unsubtle maneuvering threatened to shove it into a stall. Now the rented plane was rattling in the sky over Midland

The endless petrochemical complexes, all the aluminum and steel and smoke stacks that pockmark the Permian Basin, were spiking up just below the aircraft. Bush nervously turned to Evans, put his hand on his knee and blurted in his self-mocking West Texas way, "Okay, Evvie, I’ve got it under control."

After more seemingly endless moments, he somehow got control of the plane again. He aimed the aircraft down, and the landing was as shaky and brutal as the takeoff. The plane careened off the runway and onto the desert. Evans sighed in relief. Then an unbelieving Evans braced himself as Bush suddenly and unexpectedly spun the plane and bounced back along the runway. Evans stared at Bush. He could see the fear and panic flooding his face. Bush pressed on. Evans had no idea why Bush wanted to go again. The plane wobbled uncertainly back into the West Texas skies, and Bush turned to Evans. "Hey," said Bush airily, as if he had just had an original, amusing idea, "let's fly around Midland."

http://www.seanet.com/~johnco/bush102.htm

[DemBones DemBones]

19. No call sign. . . And his Skull and Bones name is "Temporary"

because he couldn't think of a name for himself.

[RamboLiberal]

23. New book out on Bush Family - Family of Secrets

claims that Bush was a real screwup of a pilot who became afraid of flying in his last year or two of TANG. That he was having a helluva time landing his jet.

[bullwinkle428]

28. "Helicopter drivers!" - I REST MY CASE.