***************OFFICIAL AG NOMINATION HOLDER HEARINGS THREAD 2*********

[bdamomma]

thread one

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4832535

http://c-span.org /

here you go guys.

http://c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN3_wm.aspx

radio feed is better: http://c-span.org/Listen/C-SPAN-Radio_wm.aspx

some more recs you guys.

[bdamomma]

1. OH WHEW BABY HE SAID WATERBOARDING IS TORTURE.

Yes, thank god.

[annabanana]

2. The President does NOT have the power to immunize against charges!

[annabanana]

6. Finally an AG nominee who isn't equivocating - Leahey

[Hepburn]

3. Discussion with Leahy and Holder....

...starts with issues of waterboarding. Holder states it is torture in his opinion.

More rec's please! :hi:

[mikelgb]

4. WATERBOARDING IS TORTURE!

i got chills

[bdamomma]

9. I felt a wave of truth, thank goodness.

[ThomWV]

5. Torture is the question and Holder is giving all the right answers

[annabanana]

7. Now a 2nd amendment question

[annabanana]

11. He supports SC's Heller decision about individual gun owenership.

Because it is the Law of the Land

[Hepburn]

8. On to 2nd Amendment issues ~~ guns in D.C.

Discussing in general the right to bear arms.

Holder is good with facts and background on the DOJ's position on this issue.

[Atman]

10. Pat Leahy enjoys TIGER SHOOTING in Vermont?!

My hearing must be going...hehehe...

:hi:

.

[cali]

12. Our tiger hunts are famous

people just don't know much about Vermont.

[annabanana]

13. Will you work on a Federal Media Sheild Law? - (yes he will)

but with ability to prosecute

[Hepburn]

14. Next issue: Media shield law

He is speaking as to both sides of the issue: DOJ and Media concerns noted.

[cali]

15. Leahy asks about Federal Shield Law for journalists

Holder favors such a law.

[ThomWV]

16. OK, Holder is good with gun laws as they exist and he respects the Court

That gets past one hurdle.

[annabanana]

17. Extreme theories of Executive Power? - will you review current policies?

[annabanana]

18. He will .. one at a time...

[malaise]

24. OLC opinions?

Go Holder. I trust you will be better than the last Caribbean-American appointee.

[ThomWV]

19. Leahy is bringout out all the main talking points, letting Holder get his position out first

Very good.

[bdamomma]

20. did anyone catch that crawl earlier about Hillary being nominated

to SOS but with one NO vote from Vitter was I seeing that correctly. I did see that correctly Vitter voted NO, oh, I guess the Repigs are keeping their same stripes of being a$$holes.

[Uzybone]

29. Yes 16-1: Vitter - R (Pampers) was the only no vote

[SpiralHawk]

40. Hilary has lost the Diaper Fetish Republicons

oh my...

[annabanana]

21. Marc Rich question...

[Hepburn]

28. Leahy sounds tough on this....

...Holder responds that he made a mistake and says he is not trying to hide from this mistake. Would do it differently if he could.

[Hepburn]

22. Leahy raising Mark Rich issue

Starts out with KKKarl Rove comments.

[Fuzz]

23. What's with a person actually answering questions? That's so weird!

[Hepburn]

30. Hahahahahaha....

...after 8 years of BushCo...it does sound odd! :hi:

[annabanana]

31. Yeah.. talk about a difference!!

[Thrill]

25. Also said Bush doesn't have the right to override that

[annabanana]

26. "Just how independent will you be?"

[annabanana]

27. Rich was a mistake... said it before, consistenly.. would do different now...

[cali]

32. Leahy asks about the Marc Rich pardon and Holder's role

in it. "How do you respond to those who say that the Rich Pardon shows that you don't have the character to be independent"?

Holder says he's learned from the experience, learned that there has to be full consultation with prosecutors. It was not typical of the way I normally conduct myself.

[annabanana]

33. Specter up

[annabanana]

34. First : Rich. .

[ThomWV]

35. Here comes a rain of pure horseshit - Rich Pardon up first.

[ThomWV]

50. Here is the question: Will you put an end to torture?

[Hepburn]

36. Specter is up....

...starts right in on Mark Rich.

Specter says Holder has an excellent background...and then goes into the "hard facts" on Rich and begins to state the charges against Rich. "Trading with the enemy" ~~ phrase used by Specter.

[bdamomma]

37. oh Specter is being his jerky self.

Repigs are so dirty, this is pure BS. Specter better shut up, what about the criminals in the WH now.

[cali]

38. Arlen on Rich

blah, blah, blah. calling it a mistake is one way of approaching it. Looking at the facts I don't see how you came to the conclusion you did. Rich was a traitor, detailing his crimes. And accusing Rich of crap that was only rumored.

[blm]

75. Arlen never complained that Rich was acting for Poppy Bush's illegal operations and THAT's why Libby

was assigned to Rich as a legal fixer.

Hey Arlen, didn't see you exercised about Rich being named in IranContra and BCCI reports. Not concerned that Clinton pardoned Rich FOR Poppy Bush, are you?

Feigning outrage while misdirecting attention away from BushInc is Arlen's specialty.

[redirish28]

39. anyone watching C-span 3 on Comcast? Are you getting the Require test

interruption every 1/2 hour?



We had to stream c-span right now.

[bdamomma]

41. having problems with the feed

try this


http://c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN3_wm.aspx

[redirish28]

68. thanks

[bdamomma]

42. why can't this be taken in a written report, if Specter has all these questions.

good they have timing on this. I bet those other Senators will be following Arlens lead on this type of questioning. This is so transparent, they are trying to railroad Holder, what total BS!!

[cali]

43. Arlen really sounds petty with all this

now he's asking Holder to explain an email by this guy Quinn.

[Hepburn]

47. Agree ~~ this was total bullshit.

Every detail of something in which he was not 100% involved?

Sheesh ~~ talk about petty!

[bdamomma]

44. thank goodness one last question of Specter.

this is BS.

[cali]

46. exept snarlin' says he'll come back to it in the next round.

[Hepburn]

49. Like a dog with a bad bone....

...Specter...:puke:

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

51. Arlen Sphincter is one of the most annoyingly useless blowhard Senators.

[Hepburn]

58. Totally agree and maybe someone should go after his ass on ....

... his Magic Bullet theory from the Warren Report.

Talk about a crock of bullshit. :eyes:

[cali]

45. Holder says he was not fully awarre of Rich's record

beyond tax fraud. Arlen's last question is "When Margaret Love, pardon attorney, said don't do it, did you ask why not?"

[bdamomma]

48. Kohl is up.

Holder: I will be the people's lawyer.


Amen!!

oh boy I heard some code pinkers sigh relief when Holder just said they will close Gitmo. I think they should keep it open for Cheney, since he thinks it is a first rate facility!! he can go check it out!!

[malaise]

52. I agree with Jonathan

These questions are for Clinton not Holder

[bdamomma]

54. exactly.

oh, well I like Holder.

[malaise]

71. I have different problems with Holder

http://www.counterpunch.org/murillo11192008.html
<snip>
What is not being discussed too much, and was not even mentioned in today's New York Times report, is Holder's key role in defending Chiquita Brands International in a notorious case relating to the company's funneling money and weapons to the United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia, AUC, the right-wing paramilitary organization on the U.S. State Department's own list of terrorist organizations.

In 2003, an Organization of American States report showed that Chiquita's subsidiary in Colombia, Banadex, had helped divert weapons and ammunition, including thousands of AK-47s, from Nicaraguan government stocks to the AUC. The AUC – very often in collaboration with units of the U.S.-trained Armed Forces - is responsible for hundreds of massacres of primarily peasants throughout the Colombian countryside, including in the banana-growing region of Urabá, where it is believed that at least 4,000 people were killed. Their systematic use of violence resulted in the forced displacement of hundreds of thousands of poor Colombians, a disproportionate amount of those people being black or indigenous.

[SOS]

79. That's a huge problem.

Defending death squads probably won't be mentioned as they all take money from Chiquita.

[malaise]

81. Ding ding

There won't be one question about this.

[Hepburn]

55. I agree ~~ and that was the commentary from Tweety. n/t

[ThomWV]

53. Holder's response about torture only speaks to future, not to past crimes

[AlCzervik]

56. Kyl, blech.

[bdamomma]

57. Kyl is up.

[cali]

59. What's Kyle saying/asking?

CNN is no longer covering it and I don't get C-Span 3.

[bdamomma]

65. Cali you can either watch online or listen to c span radio.

will this work for you.

http://c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN3_wm.aspx

radio feed is better: http://c-span.org/Listen/C-SPAN-Radio_wm.aspx

[cali]

69. thanks. tuned in.

[Hepburn]

60. There is a good reason that Kyle rhymes with ...

... bile. :puke:

[spanone]

63. or 'steaming pile'?

[Hepburn]

66. Good one!

Talk about a booooooooring POS ~~ Kyl wins top prize.

[ThomWV]

61. Will the FBI collect DNA routinely? Answer by Holder - Yes

[ThomWV]

62. FISA: Lone Wolf Terrorist, subtrafuge for warantless arrest - do you support it?

Very scrambled answer and my connection is blinking out.

[ThomWV]

64. Holder being put on the spot to support sections of FISA

[bdamomma]

67. does anyone think Holder as AG is going to get good

handover from Mukasey, don't they have to be briefed or something like that? I wouldn't trust Mukasey to get a truthful report.

what wonderful recommendations. Recess now. Can someone else start thread 3 I would be most appreciative!!! Good hearing so far.

[Hepburn]

70. I would not trust ANY Bush appointee to walk my dog let alone...

...be honest about ANYTHING!

[ThomWV]

72. I think the shredders are smokin' over at Justice just so Holder never sees what was written

I think there are memos going home to fireplaces and I think there are shredders that have smoke rolling out their tops they are running so hard, both at Justice and over at the Vice President's Office too.

[ThomWV]

73. Leahy reading many recommendations for confirmation from many orginizations

[ThomWV]

74. Short recess - is it time for thread 3?

[bdamomma]

76. can someone else start thread 3 posted above.

thanks

[ThomWV]

77. Sure, soon as the recess is over

[bdamomma]

78. thanks ThomWV, at work at the moment.

[Hope And Change]

80. K & R!