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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 06:53 PM
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Cutaway of Obama's New Ride
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 06:57 PM
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1. Very interesting n/t
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Joe the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 07:01 PM
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2. Wow thats one hell of a car. nt
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 07:01 PM
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3. It's like the batmobile with presidential blood on board. (That was the weirdest part.)
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 07:32 PM
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10. That's been normal practice for awhile
In presidential or cabinet-level motorcades there's a few units of the principal's blood either in the vehicle or in an attending vehicle just in case it's necessary. Rice and Bush each went through my town on seperate occasions, and that was one of the things mentioned about their motorcades. I'm pretty sure it was the same with Clinton, too.
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yodoobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 07:02 PM
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4. LOL!
"The only window that opens -by just three inches - so the driver can pay a toll or.."

I really can't imagine a motorcade lining up to throw a quarter in the bucket.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 07:06 PM
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5. That got me too.
Edited on Fri Jan-09-09 07:12 PM by baldguy
Imagine the SS driver digging through the cushions for change. Like they never heard of Speed Pass?
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 03:21 AM
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22. Sheesh! Didn't they see how Sonny Corleone got caught at the toll booth?
:dunce:
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Realityhack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 07:34 PM
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11. I spotted the same thing.
I can just see them stopping and trying to make change for a $20 though the 3 inch gap... "oh and I need a receipt for that... it's a government expense." sure, that's going to happen. Who writes this crap.
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 09:06 AM
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27. "Somebody has to go back ...
and get a shitload of dimes quarters."
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 07:23 PM
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6. That car does not meet CAFE standards.
Nice to know that it sucks 8 miles to the gallon.

Sheesh.

Hawkeye-X
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 07:25 PM
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7. Just throwing this out there
But I'm gonna assume that it's because of the freaking armor plating to prevent someone from shooting him through the doors. Just a wild guess. :shrug:
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 07:30 PM
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9. The mileage actually impresses me
The thing's got thicker armor all around than most WWII-era warships (seriously), is not a small vehicle in general, is laden with a bunch of stuff in addition to the armor and still matches admittedly-gas-guzzling but much, much smaller and lighter vehicles for mileage. For what that thing's lugging around it's pretty damned efficient.

Not that any of that's going to stop people from whining that it doesn't get seventy miles per gallon or something, but I don't have that much of a problem with a single vehicle used by a head of state not being a Prius.
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Realityhack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 07:35 PM
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12. CAFE doesn't apply to individual vehicles. n/t
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 11:50 AM
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33. I Knew If I Scrolled Down I'd See That Some Zealot Commented On The MPG!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Realityhack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 03:38 PM
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40. It is up to two now. But I love the reffrence to CAFE standards...
which do not apply to trucks (which is what this is built on), or individual vehicles (what with it being the Corporate AVERAGE Fuel Economy). Very careless thinking.

Your post sums up my thinking about such comments.
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yodoobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 03:57 PM
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42. CAFE isn't a hard limit
Edited on Sat Jan-10-09 03:58 PM by pending
If I recall correctly.

Its just a standard of which if you violate, the manufacturer is taxed on.

If I recall correctly, Mercedes used to violate the CAFE limits on certain models, and the tax was listed on the sticker.
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Realityhack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 11:15 PM
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51. That is correct.
CAFE standards apply to the average of an entire companies fleet not a single car. And they are a 'soft' limit as you said.
And they do not apply to medium duty and heavier trucks (which this is).
It is a pretty silly statement all around.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 05:04 PM
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47. CAFE standards don't apply to an individual car but to fleets
:hi:
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Ron Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 07:26 PM
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8. We've come a long way since Jimmy Carter walked in his own parade.
I don't like all the paramilitary bullshit.
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Realityhack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 07:38 PM
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13. I wouldn't call it bullshit.
Assassination prevention is serious business. Are you seriously proposing that Obama not have an armored car?
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 07:42 PM
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14. I'm with you on this. There's lots of nutcases out there.
Edited on Fri Jan-09-09 07:46 PM by backscatter712
Gas-guzzler or not, I'm glad Obama has this car.

Pretty cool ride. All that armor and the six-inch-thick windows makes it kind of ugly though. I don't think it's easy to make a rolling tank look sleek.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 11:21 PM
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53. There are a lot of crazies out there. nt
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 07:45 PM
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15. I didn't know that Tom Poston was working as a chauffeur now
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 07:58 PM
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16. Does it have a presidential toilet on board?
This could make a good SNL skit. :)
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cloudbase Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 04:41 PM
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43. I don't know,
but the real test would be if a circumcision could be performed in the back.





(Ya gotta be of a certain age to remember that one)
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gblady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 01:17 AM
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17. impressive....
I didn't know about having blood on board...
that's serious shit...

I love how they have Barack smiling big in the drawing!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 01:36 AM
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18. It's missing one thing:


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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 04:44 AM
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25. Ion cannon from Empire Strikes Back?
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slutticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 11:22 PM
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55. Looks like the ones on Hoth
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cloudbase Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 04:44 PM
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44. It would be much cooler
with suicide doors.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 01:42 AM
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19. An emergency transfusion?
Will a doctor ride with the President all the time?
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 01:43 AM
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20. ewwwwwwwww. Bottles of blood. that's weird. I understand it though.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 03:05 AM
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21. The presidential motorcade usually has a few
I've seen them with accompanying ambulances a few times, so I'd assume there's someone in the procession qualified to do anything short of a brain transplant.

(I'd also assume that at least some of the Secret Service guys assigned to close protection of the president would be trained in what to do if the president was wounded, in addition to trying to make sure he doesn't get wounded in the first place.)
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 03:41 AM
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23. Actually, I do believe the president's physician is likely to be somewhere in the motorcade.
Not in the president's limo, but in one of the vehicles that accompanies it.
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Unrepentant Fenian Donating Member (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 04:40 AM
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24. The President's Doctor rides in one of the black ambulances....
The President's Doctor rides in one of the black ambulances, plus the local E.R. and the nearest trauma centre have suites set up just for him that are set up with the President's blood, medical records. massive communications and USSS Field Agents with sterilized weapons dressed in scrubs. They also have a cadre of vetted hospital staff who do nothing all day but wait. There are also two helicopters ready to scramble at the same time.
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yodoobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 03:55 PM
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41. sterilized weapons.
The mind boggles...
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Realityhack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 11:23 AM
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31. You don't need a neural sugen to start a blood trasfusion.
Probably something anyone with military paramedic training could do. Probably more than one in the motorcade at all times.
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 04:46 AM
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26. Does it have an Xbox 360 and a PS3?
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stuntcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 09:22 AM
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28. dang :)
my favorite part's the happy guy in the back :blush:

He should ask for better than 8 miles a gallon, tisk tisk!
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Realityhack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 11:20 AM
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30. In a heavily armored medium duty truck?
Sure... let's just reduce the weight by removing half the armor for better fuel economy.
8mpg is fine for what this is.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 06:58 PM
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49. Less fine and more pretty impressive (nt)
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Realityhack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 11:17 PM
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52. ??? n/t
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 09:56 AM
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29. Weird, they skip the weight.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 12:46 PM
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35. I don't know the weight, but I know a hint or two.
The car's actually built on a big truck chassis - a conventional car frame could not handle the weight. And IIRC, under the hood is a big marine V-12 diesel - you've got to have something like that so there's enough horsepower to actually move that beast.
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 05:07 PM
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48. From a Popular Mechanic article on "the beast" as they have named this machine.
"With 5 in. worth of ballistic armor under its skin, and added height and length, the presidential limo tips the scales at close to 4 tons. It's probably based on a modified Escalade platform, riding on run-flat tires. The dark leather interior is environmentally sealed against chemical attack."
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 01:12 PM
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36. That might be classified, as it would give a hint as to what the armor is
They mention the chassis has a steel plate, but nothing about the rest of the car save for a vague mention of "ceramics."
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Realityhack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 03:35 PM
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39. actually they say...
"combination of dual hardness steel, aluminum, titanium, and even ceramic" which is a bit more information than just "a vague mention of "ceramics.""

It could be the weight is classified but they may just not have mentioned it. I am not sure it would really provide that much information given all the different materials in use and no clarity on how much the unarmored parts would weigh etc. Who knows.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 04:53 PM
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45. It's not much more information considering how complex modern armor can get (nt)
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Realityhack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 11:12 PM
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50. true enough.
but it is more than you stated.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 11:47 AM
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32. Holy wow ! Wonder if its even a good idea to release the specs on this. n/t
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Realityhack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 11:35 PM
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56. They aren't exactly releasing the full specs.
Everything is impressive but vague.
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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 11:55 AM
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34. The President has to donate blood every six weeks or so, then?
So it can be stored here and there in case he needs it for a transfusion.


What's the shelf life on blood now?
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 01:13 PM
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37. I'm assuming it's the president's blood *type* (nt)
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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 01:18 PM
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38. let's hope.
If you had to store your own blood in various locations... well, you'd spend half your time recovering and drinking OJ.
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 04:58 PM
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46. Prob classified, but I wonder if it has
a TV with red, white, and yellow RCA jacks, if you know what I mean. I bet Obama has crazy Call of Duty skillz.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 11:21 PM
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54. It's like the Batmobile. It's the Barackmobile!
Why do Presidents need such protection, doesn't that say something about this system? Can our nation really be a democracy if one person's life is much more valuable than the rest of the population's?
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Realityhack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 11:39 PM
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57. We are a *representative* democracy.
and the president is a very attractive target to those who would hurt us.
You think perhaps we should be the only first world country without such protections? Having the president assassinated is ok?

Yes the president is more important than I am. And that does not negate the fact that I voted for him.
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