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keep_it_real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 10:09 PM
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Why can't the U.S. put a 10,000 peace keeping force in Gaza?
Or an international peace keeping force? Something is very wrong here in my opinion.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 10:15 PM
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1. cuz they're all in Iraq and Afghanistan n/t
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 12:15 AM
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31. It wouldn't happen even if the US troops weren't in
Iraq
Afghanistan
Korea
Japan
Germany
etc.
etc.
etc.
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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 10:16 PM
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2. Not U.S......U.N. should.....nt
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:27 PM
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25. Agreed. We must not imperialize any other soverign nations this decade...
We've reached our limit.

:yoiks:
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 10:17 PM
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3. Good idea
More efficient than having troops in Iraq. Let's just take over the damn place. All of it. They can't get along, they refuse to negotiate - a pox on both sides, it'll never stop. They deserve to be taken over by a third party. And since everyone thinks it's our problem, then we should have full power to handle it.

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keep_it_real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 10:19 PM
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4. Exactly !
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:06 PM
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16. Progressive Imperialism FTW!!
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 10:19 PM
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5. There is an International Peace Keeping Force already in place
It's located in the Sinai, the north base isn't that far from the Rafah crossing.

The Multinational Force and Observers (MFO) is an international peacekeeping force overseeing the terms of the peace treaty between Egypt and Israel.
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keep_it_real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 10:21 PM
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6. I'm talking about a military force of armed soliders to stop the rockets.
All over Gaza not in just one place to open the roads so the people can travel.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 10:24 PM
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7. How does a military force stop the rockets without bombing and killing people?
Edited on Mon Jan-05-09 10:25 PM by hack89
you really think Hamas won't oppose this?

And how does make Israel open the border crossings? Is the US or UN going to war with Israel too?
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keep_it_real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 10:32 PM
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8. The peace force would act as a police force
A police force does not bomb but indeed it may have to kill the rocket lauchers but at least it would be more exact and on target so civilans don't get killed. A peace force on the ground would get to know who's who and what's what.

I didn't say anything about open the border crossings, I said open the roads in Gaza so the people can move around in peace.

Does the UN have to make war with Israel to put a military peace keeping force in Gaza? Explain how that amounts to war on Israel? Please.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 10:45 PM
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10. How is a police force going to take on Hamas' army?
Hamas will fight anyone that tries to stop them from attacking Israel - especially if they know that such a force is reluctant to harm civilians. Hamas will simply use civilians as a shield to protect the rocket launchers.

The only way your plan would work if it was an explicit goal of such a force to remove Hamas from power.

The border crossings are in reference to their crucial role in the conflict - one of the reasons Hamas shoots at Israel is because Israel periodically closes the crossings. If the UN force does nothing to open the crossing then it has basically sided with Israel as far as Hamas is concerned - and the war in Gaza will continue while Israel sits and watches.
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Duckhunter935 Donating Member (777 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 10:59 PM
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12. M16s against IEDs and RPGs
Good match
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Giant Robot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 10:44 PM
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9. I don't know what it would take to bring a solution to the
Gaza strip, or in the bigger picture the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, I'm just not that smart.

What I do know is that putting a peace keeping force is not the answer. That will just add 10,000 more people shooting. That's all. This fight has been going on for thousands of years. This will not stop easily, quietly, or quickly. And I suspect a peace keeping force will just prove to be more targets for both sides. Another country(ies) stepping in to act like the parents here will on inflame the situation further.

It's good to want to bring peace here, but we need a different idea than just a peace keeping force.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 10:46 PM
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11. Because our dumbass president doesn't want peace keeping to occur
Edited on Mon Jan-05-09 10:46 PM by tularetom
I think he's hoping that Israel will do some inhumane act so egregious it will force Iran to take action on behalf of the democratically elected Hamas. Then he can bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran and maybe start WWIII in the short time he has left.

Once he does that his mommy will surely recognize that he has a bigger weenie than his daddy.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:28 PM
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26. I wish that I could rec this post and throw in the Princess
of Death, er, the Sec. of State.
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Sanctified Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:04 PM
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13. So instead of Israeli occupation it would be a US occupation.
Sorry putting US troops in Gaza is the worst idea, putting any troops there is horrible and will only lead to more violence since Palestinians see any occupation even by the UN as western interference in their right to sovereignty.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:05 PM
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14. un not us
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:06 PM
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15. We don't want to, can't afford to, and it probably would be spun
as a US occupation and make a bad situation worse.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:11 PM
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17. The US is Not Exactly a Neutral Party
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know_your_enemy Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:13 PM
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18. Don't you think our tumor is big enough?
Deeply rooted worldwide. They would rip us to shreds there, not to mention the international relations catastrophe that would ensue as soon as we popped the head of a Palestinian.
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:18 PM
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19. The Israelis don't need us. They're handling the situation.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:33 PM
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28. True, they can also use nukes to "exterminate the brutes," who needs help from The Sponsor?
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Sanctified Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:50 PM
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29. They could use nukes, but they haven't. n/t
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 01:45 AM
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40. they won't need nukes.
Shame on Israel for defending itself.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:19 PM
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20. Because our "government" has already chosen "sides".... n/t
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Duckhunter935 Donating Member (777 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:19 PM
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21. Arab peace force would be the closest
That may work in Gaza, but I dought it

Any troops from the west would be a nightmare
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:21 PM
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22. You think Muslims want armed Americans in Gaza?
Hmm.
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Sultana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:23 PM
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23. We are over-stretched
International force for sure.
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 12:17 AM
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32. Comprised of whom? Seriously, who do you propose? What specific countries? n/t
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Sultana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 12:22 AM
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33. Hello, the UN armed forces
DUH!
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 12:28 AM
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34. Does UN blue block Hamas bullets? (n/t)
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Sultana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 12:38 AM
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35. I can't predict the future
But surely they will defend themselves from Hamas and try to keep the peace.
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 12:44 AM
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37. But they tried to "keep the peace" a couple of years ago and the Israeli air force bombed their
compound.

I will look for the links tomorrow.....
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 12:48 AM
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38. So if Hamas attacks the boys in blue....
and they return fire then Hamas starts using mortars & RPG so UN troops takes substantial casualties and need support.

They get support via artillery, air strikes, and heavy armor.....

Haven't you just replaced the IDF with UN troops, made them occupiers, and put them between a rock & a hard place.

Hamas doesn't want peace. Never has. Never will.

Hamas isn't going to allow UN troops running their "town" anymore than the US would tolerate UN troops marching down streets of DC.
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 12:43 AM
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36. Unlikely as their compound was bombed by the Israeli air force during the battles in
Lebanon a couple of years ago.

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rtassi Donating Member (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:25 PM
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24. Does the line to volunteer form behind you? I didn't think so! n/t
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:29 PM
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27. That is not the job of the U.S.
How about the U.N.?
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 12:06 AM
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30. Actually it would work.... for a while
It would district Hamas from murdering Jews ....
They would be too busy murdering US troops.

Once the US troops were dead or pulled out (aka Somalia) they would go back to killing Jews again.

At best you would buy 1 mo - 2 years of Israeli-Hamas violence in exchange for couple hundred US casualties a month.

Think of it like a vending machine:
want to buy 1 month of "peace" - pay 820 US soldier lives.

:sarcasm:

Worst idea ever.

Seriously what makes you think Hamas won't just attack US troops?
What makes you think Palestinians will see US troops as liberators (didn't we here that one recently)?
The one thing it will do is get American soldiers killed for NOTHING.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 12:59 AM
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39. The US government is not seen as an impartial party. Putting American troops there would be bad.
You're simply getting involved in another guerrilla war with an open-ended commitment, like Viet Nam or Iraq.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 05:38 AM
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41. Because we don't have 10,000 troops to spare
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 05:39 AM
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42. Too hard to kill Palestinian children that way.
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