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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 02:32 PM
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Leon Panetta to be named head of CIA
Edited on Mon Jan-05-09 02:35 PM by tpsbmam
Chuch Todd just broke this on MSNBC.

(Ed grammatically awful subject.)
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 02:38 PM
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1. Was this really such a good idea?
Sure, Panetta's a good guy and all, but does he have any experience in the intelligence community?

And why do I get the feeling that Valerie Plame Wilson has been allowed to slip through the cracks in all of this reshuffling?
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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 02:55 PM
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5. Interesting piece from the NY Times:
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/05/panetta-to-be-named-cia-director/

<snips>

Mr. Panetta has a reputation in Washington as a competent manager with strong background in budget issues, but has little hands-on intelligence experience.

........

Given his background, Mr. Panetta is a somewhat unusual choice to lead the C.I.A., an agency that has been unwelcoming to previous directors perceived as outsiders, such as Stansfield M. Turner and John M. Deutch. But his selection points up the difficulty Mr. Obama had in finding a C.I.A. director with no connection to controversial counterterrorism programs of the Bush era.

..........

Mr. Deutch, now a professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, said Mr. Panetta and Dennis Blair, who was selected by Mr. Obama to become director of national intelligence, were an “absolutely brilliant team,” and called Mr. Panetta a “talented and experienced manager of government and a widely respected person with congress.”......


.......

Aides have said Mr. Obama had originally hoped to select a C.I.A. head with extensive field experience, especially in combating terrorist networks. But his first choice for the job, John O. Brennan, had to withdraw his name amidst criticism over his role in the formation of the C.I.A’s detention and interrogation program after the Sept. 11 attacks.

Members of Mr. Obama’s transition also raised concerns about other candidates, even some Democratic lawmakers with intelligence experience. Representative Jane Harman of California, formerly the senior Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, had hoped to get the job, but she was ruled out as a candidate in part because of her early support for some Bush administration programs like the domestic eavesdropping program.


(more at link)
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 03:21 PM
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9. Thanks for this article.that's interesting
Edited on Mon Jan-05-09 03:21 PM by zidzi
about Jane Harmon for one thing.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 04:46 PM
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16. Okay, how do they know he's not a spook?
"Mr. Panetta has a reputation in Washington as a competent manager with strong background in budget issues, but has little hands-on intelligence experience."

No, seriously. If he's a spook, if he's been a spook for 30 years, it's not even legal to say so. So how can this statement be made one way or another? (I'm reminded of how GHWB was supposed to not have any CIA experience before his appointment, either.)

That's the reality when you tolerate secret government.

Panetta apparently had some covert ops experience while in the army as a young man, according to his wikipedia entry:

"Panetta and his wife founded the Leon & Sylvia Panetta Institute for Public Policy in December 1998, where they serve as the Institute's directors. The Institute is located at California State University, Monterey Bay. Panetta was instrumental in creating CSU Monterey by converting Fort Ord, where he was chief of operations and planning of the intelligence section when he was in the army, into the university."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Panetta

Where did it go from there? If it did, that would be a secret.
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rakeeb Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 08:45 AM
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19. wiki might be a little shaky on this detail
where he was chief of operations and planning of the intelligence section when he was in the army, into the university
Panetta was in the Army for 24 months, at least six of those would hvae been as a student in an Officer Basic Course, depending on his branch.
the "chief of operations and planning of the intelligence section" sounds like someone is mistakenly combining two jobs; operations and planning G-3 and Intelligence G-2 are two separate staff functions at every level from battalion to corps. At Fort Ord in 1964-1966, there would have been a colonel as Deputy Chief of Staff for Intelligence and a brigadier general as Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations or Assistant Division Commander (Operations).
Panetta would have been there for just enough time for a year as a platoon leader as a 2LT and some company staff or XO time as a 1LT.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 03:07 PM
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7. Valerie Plame Wilson (and her husband) were blatantly anti Obama in the primary
Not just pro-Hillary, but anti-Obama. Not quite as insane about it as their fellow CIA thug Larry Flowbee Johnson, but pretty bad.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 03:23 PM
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10. I remember that now..whoa! It
Edited on Mon Jan-05-09 03:24 PM by zidzi
seemed like Joe Wilson had some venomous things to say that weren't quite factual..if I remember correctly.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 04:30 PM
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14. 0 experience
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 02:39 PM
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2. Well, where else does an old S2 Officer end up?
I am supposing he's about the best retread available for the job.


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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 02:47 PM
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3. Im not sure I like this
Few remember that is was the Clinton administration that first tried to get a version of the Patriot Act passed.

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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 02:54 PM
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4. Really? I had not
heard of that.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 03:35 PM
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12. Please provide evidence. nt
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 04:28 PM
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13. That sounds interesting
do you have a link or source?
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 05:47 PM
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18. yes, I remember
it was right after the Oklahoma City bombing--the patriot act was introduced--at the time I thought "hear we go, please don't pass this or everything we stand for--the Constitution--is going down the tubes. They just needed another event.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 02:59 PM
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6. The same old Washington insiders are coming into this administration.
Why do I want to see some fresh faces? Sure Obama needs some insiders who know how to wheel and deal, but I think we need some fresh thinking too. Apparently we aren't going to get it this time around.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 03:10 PM
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8. Panetta on torture
"If torture can stop the next terrorist attack, the next suicide bomber, then what's wrong with a little waterboarding or electric shock?

The simple answer is the rule of law."
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 03:34 PM
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11. Sounds like Panetta is a place holder. nt
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 04:33 PM
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15. I believe that Panetta is a good man.
The cynic in me is telling me that this is a good political move that puts a friendly face on an agency that has grown too powerful.

The optimist in me hopes that Obama plans on revamping CIA and picked Panetta because of his insider experience and congenial personality.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 04:49 PM
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17. Panetta bio from his Institute's site (public domain)
http://www.panettainstitute.org/institute/leon_panetta.htm

Leon Panetta, Institute Director

Leon Edward Panetta has had a long and distinguished career in public service, ranging from his tour of duty in the U.S. Army to his service as the Chief of Staff to the President of the United States.

Born in Monterey in 1938 of Italian immigrant parents, Panetta attended both Catholic and public schools and worked on his family’s farm in Carmel Valley, where he lives today with his wife Sylvia. He earned a B.A. magna cum laude from Santa Clara University and his J.D. from Santa Clara University Law School, where he was an editor of the Law Review. He served as a First Lieutenant in the Army from 1964 to 1966 and received the Army Commendation Medal.

Panetta first went to Washington in 1966, when he served as a legislative assistant to U.S. Senator Thomas H. Kuchel of California, the Senate Minority Whip. In 1969, he became Special Assistant to the Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare and then Director of the U.S. Office for Civil Rights, where he was responsible for enforcement of equal education laws. His book Bring Us Together (published in 1971) is an account of that experience. In 1970, he went to New York City, where he served as executive assistant to Mayor John Lindsay, overseeing the city’s relations with the state and federal governments. Then, in 1971, he returned to California, where he practiced law in the Monterey firm of Panetta, Thompson & Panetta until he was elected to Congress in 1976.

Panetta was a U.S. Representative from California’s 16th (now 17th) district from 1977 to 1993. As a House member, he was a key participant in the 1990 budget summit as well as every other budget summit during the 1980s. He authored the Hunger Prevention Act of 1988; the Fair Employment Practices Resolution extending civil rights protections to House employees for the first time; numerous successful measures to protect the California coast, including creation of the Monterey Bay National Marine Sanctuary; legislation that established Medicare and Medicaid reimbursement for hospice care for the terminally ill; and other legislation on a variety of education, health, agriculture and defense issues.

From 1989 to 1993, Panetta was chairman of the House Committee on the Budget. He also served as a member of that committee from 1979 to 1985. He chaired the House Agriculture Committee’s Subcommittee on Domestic Marketing, Consumer Relations and Nutrition; the House Administration Committee’s Subcommittee on Personnel and Police; and the Select Committee on Hunger’s Task Force on Domestic Hunger. He also served as vice chairman of the Caucus of Vietnam Era Veterans in Congress and as a member of the President’s Commission on Foreign Language and International Studies.

Panetta left Congress in 1993, at the beginning of his ninth term, to become Director of the Office of Management and Budget for the incoming Clinton administration. In that position, he was instrumental in developing the 1993 budget package that is widely credited with achieving a balanced federal budget and eventual budget surpluses.

Panetta was appointed Chief of Staff to President Clinton on July 17, 1994, and served in that position until January 20, 1997. He was the principal negotiator of the successful 1996 budget compromise, and was widely praised for bringing order and focus to White House operations and policy making.

Panetta is currently co-directs with his wife Sylvia the Leon & Sylvia Panetta Institute for Public Policy, based at California State University, Monterey Bay – a university he helped establish on the site of the former U.S. Army base, Fort Ord. The Institute serves as a nonpartisan, not-for-profit study center for the advancement public policy, seeking in particular to attract thoughtful men and women to lives of public service.

In addition, Mr. Panetta serves as Distinguished Scholar to the Chancellor of the California State University system. He advises the Chancellor on national issues affecting higher education and teaches a Master’s course in Public Policy at the Panetta Institute.
In 1997, he was also appointed Presidential Professor at Santa Clara University, teaching a course called Studies in Public Policy

Mr. Panetta has served as a leader in numerous community and national public policy organizations throughout his career. In March 2006, he was chosen to serve on the Iraq Study Group, a bi-partisan committee established at the urging of Congress and organized by the U.S. Institute of Peace, the Center for Strategic and International Studies, the Center for the Study of the Presidency and the James A. Baker III Institute. Since 2005, he has served as member of the Independent Task Force on Immigration and America’s Future. In November 2004, Governor Schwarzenegger appointed him co-chair of the Council on Base Support and Retention.

Mr. Panetta served a six-year term on the Board of Directors of the New York Stock Exchange beginning in 1997. He was chairman of the Committee for Review for the New York Stock Exchange Board of Directors and was co-chair of the Corporate Governance and Listing Standards Committee for the Stock Exchange.

He served on the National Review Board of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, the board of the National Steinbeck Center, and the University of California Santa Cruz Foundation, and since June 1998, he has served on the board of the Santa Clara University Law School Board of Visitors. He also serves as a member of the Board of Trustees for Santa Clara University; as a member of the Fleishman-Hillard International Advisory Board; as a trustee for the Community Hospital of the Monterey Peninsula; and as a director for the Monterey Bay Aquarium. He is chairman of the National Board of Advisors of the Center for National Policy as well as chairman of the Pew Oceans Commission. He is also a member of the Board of Directors for Blue Shield of California; IDT; Zenith; Connetics; the National Marine Sanctuary Foundation; Bread for the World; and Close Up. He lectures nationally and internationally on the state of the economy, the federal budget and other issues facing our nation, and is the recipient of awards and honors too numerous to list.


Mr. Panetta is married to the former Sylvia Marie Varni, who administered his district offices during his service in Congress and continues as a partner in his many activities. They have three grown sons and five grandchildren.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 11:09 AM
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20. Probably a good choice. The CIA needs to be whipped into shape...
And it needs a morale boost. Consider that it's main job is to gather and analyze information. Panetta has been everywhere in government. His presence will lend prestige to the agency. There are plenty of spooks around to guide its operations. It needs political guidance.

Will he do a good job? :shrug: Remains to be seen.

--IMM
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Jester Messiah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 12:35 PM
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21. This is bullshit.
Echoes of Harriet Meyers. Hey O-man, how 'bout picking somebody with relevant experience for a cabinet-level position... even one would be great! And just because Hillary's in the cabinet, that doesn't mean you have to bring in ALL of her husband's former staffers...
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