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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 01:45 PM
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Cenk: Is America Primarily at Fault for the Conflict in Gaza?

By Cenk Uygur

If you're a conservative reading this, I know what you're thinking - typical liberal. Part of the blame America first crowd. How could this war between the Israelis and Palestinians be America's fault?

First, I love America. I chose to be an American. I think this is the greatest country on earth. And part of what makes it great is that it is self-correcting. It can take criticism and use it to make itself better. It is a country confident enough to not shout down dissenters.

So, let me offer you something . The American government had a great deal to do with the outbreak of violence in the Gaza Strip right now. The Bush administration demanded - against the advice of nearly every expert in the field and the Israeli government - that the Palestinians hold elections. They did. Hamas won.

When Hamas won, we could have pulled them in toward the direction of political action and reconciliation. Instead, we chose to isolate them, start a coup against them (read about our attempt to overthrow Hamas) and further radicalize them. We made a mockery of the idea of democracy. We proved to them that we never meant a word of the so-called . We only wanted elections in which our guys won.

This kind of hypocrisy has consequences. It sends a message that democracy and voting doesn't work. And our botched coup against Hamas had the effect of sending the message that violence is the answer. If you don't get your way, the proper course of action is to try to change the results through use of force.

We should have never insisted on the elections that everyone - but the inane Bush team - realized Hamas was going to win. It's not that elections are a bad idea, but it was too early in this instance. We should have laid the groundwork for Palestinians to vote in a direction that would have led to more constructive solutions. Instead, as usual, Bush was lazy and insisted on getting his way right away.

And if we were going to have elections, we absolutely, positively should have recognized the legitimate results of those elections and dealt with the consequences. In fact, this might have pulled Hamas into a governing role that demanded more pragmatism and a less radical outlook. It's easier to be a radical when you don't have to get anything done.

And on the Israeli side, we never urge caution. We always encourage over-reaction. Before Israel started this assault on Gaza, there was one Israeli casualty since the end of the cease-fire. Within the first couple of days of the Israeli assault, there are already . And five more Israelis killed from more - not less - rocket fire from Gaza.

So, the attack has not accomplished its objective of stopping the rocket fire from Hamas - in fact, it's made it worse - and it has also killed a disproportionate number of civilians in Gaza. I do not find the argument that these civilian deaths are just persuasive. It's easy to call them collateral damage when they are not your kids.

Which American would stand by and let another country bomb our cities, kill our children and then accept the excuse that the enemy was targeting military complexes but they just killed our kids as simple collateral damage? Would that sound persuasive to you if you lost your family members? Your wife? Your grandfather? Your daughter?

The US government's immediate reaction was to say all of this was Hamas's fault and that Israel was 100% justified in retaliating in any way they saw fit. And it wasn't just the Bush administration; Democratic leaders put out nearly identical talking points.

So, what does this lead to...?





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matthewf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 01:53 PM
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1. k&r- great stuff
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 01:59 PM
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2. "Democracy" = you're free to elect whom we like; otherwise we will slaughter you".
Just as Osama bin Laden said; America's rhetoric of "democracy" is a total sham.

Thank you George W. bUsh & regime for proving OBL correct, you twisted stupid DUMB motherfuckers.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 10:14 PM
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18. What Lynn said!
:toast:
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 02:50 PM
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20. That sounds about right. n/t
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 02:01 PM
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3. The Israelis have not learned much from History
The old generation is mostly gone and the new generation only remembers the parts they want to remember.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 03:38 PM
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22. They don't care about history. All they care about is killing and taking land ...
and they don't know what peace is.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 05:19 PM
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23. They push the Palestinians into a Ghetto, deny them services
Edited on Thu Jan-01-09 05:21 PM by formercia
and expect them not to fight back.

Oh, that's right, just get on the train and the nice SS men will take you East to the cozy resettlement camp. Don't make a scene, it's not polite.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 05:38 PM
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24. That's what I don't get. How can they not see the hypocracy?
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 02:03 PM
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4. damn straight we are.
and occupations never work. it took centuries, but rome got out of britainnia.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 03:21 PM
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9. You mean except for the occupation of Iraq, right?
;)
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 02:06 PM
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5. I stopped reading at "greatest country on earth"
Why is it "liberals" think they have to go irrationally out of their way to prove their patriotism and nationalism before trying to tackle an intellectually challenging issue?
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 02:11 PM
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6. Start reading again. Cenk addressesed his disclaimer in the DailyKos comments section...
Edited on Wed Dec-31-08 02:12 PM by ihavenobias
This article originally went up with a poll at AOL, and most AOL readers are conservative. For that reason he geared the article to them, and in that context he was smart to write what he did.

Otherwise *they* would've stopped reading at the title!
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 03:36 PM
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10. He is writing this for a moderate audience.
He doesn't want them to get turned off.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 06:20 PM
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13. Exactly. n/t
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 06:32 PM
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25. Yes, a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.
;)
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 02:41 PM
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7. I only wish the US would be more of a peacemaker between
two countries instead of routing for one country over another. We did at one time bring two conflicting sides together didn't we?
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 03:44 PM
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29. Well that's funny. I accidentally responded to the wrong post (#25 should go here). n/t
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 02:41 PM
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8. K&R
:kick:
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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 04:15 PM
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11. Great piece.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 04:57 PM
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12. An entire afternoon's-worth of reading/listening from one post!
:wow:

My head is still swimming from the Vanity Fair article.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 06:28 PM
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14. Super post
Life has never mattered to the world's bullies.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 06:50 PM
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15. Cenk cuts through to the core
of the matter.

His analysis is excellent!

Big :kick: and R.
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ejbr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 06:57 PM
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16. K & R n/t
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CherylK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 07:40 PM
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17. K & R!
:applause:
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 10:16 PM
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19. Another KnR! n/t
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 03:36 PM
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21. We sell war machines and materials to Israel and we give them 5 billion dollars a year.
That makes us at least complicit.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 06:51 PM
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26. The NeoCons NEED this violence so they can keep troops in Iraq forever. They need Al Qaeda too.
Edited on Fri Jan-02-09 06:56 PM by McCamy Taylor
Bill Clinton knew the score. He tried to broker peace in the Middle East before he left office, but the Republicans made sure that it would not happen---probably enlisted the war criminal Kissinger the same way Nixon did back in 1968 to keep peace from happening in Vietnam when LBJ almost had it within his grasp. Because Bush and Cheney and the rest knew they were going to use terra and mid east violence to invade Iraq and seize its oil and trample our rights. I predicted it in January, 2001, and I am not even a NeoCon. I just paid attention to what they had been saying and doing. Now, they are making one last effort to get the world's idiot Muslim radical dupes all stirred up in hopes that some cell somewhere will kill a bunch of Christians or Hindus or Jews in a way that will freak out the American people so badly that the NeoCons will be able to stay in Iraq and maybe even make some progress into Iran.

They do not care if the people in Israel get ulcers or even die defending the NeoCons right to steal other people's oil. As James Baker III said "Fuck the Jews. They vote Democratic."
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-09 10:31 AM
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27. How do you deal with religious zealots?
The radical Israelis believe that they were given title to the land by God Himself. The Muslims are just as adamant in their claims believing that Mohammed ascended to heaven from there. Is there really any solution when you have to deal with uncompromising radicals?
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-09 10:37 AM
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28. great piece
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